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Post by colfoley on Jun 21, 2017 19:08:32 GMT
Personally, I think the fan base should just stop trying to tell Bioware how to run the business end of their business. It's up to their Board of Directors what they decide to announce and when. Bioware shouldn't have to coddle their fans all the time... Fans who do seem to be inordinately insecure. It's like the fan base wants Bioware to raise their hand to ask every time the CEO might even be thinking about taking a P*ss. not only that but people have a vested interest in seeing Andromeda/Montreal/Mass Effect to fail and misery loves company so they constantly post threads like this in an attempt to worry those who believe ME is moving forward.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 21, 2017 19:10:30 GMT
BioWare haven't even announced whether Dragon Age will get a next installment, they won't here. They don't have to when it's obvious it's being made. www.google.ca/amp/www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-05-19-writing-the-next-dragon-ageTo answer OPs question which most people are avoiding, the best thing to do would be to wait for next gen graphics - maybe in a decade or so, then remaster the trilogy as one single release. Swarm mentality whenever someone posts something negative...
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Post by colfoley on Jun 21, 2017 19:13:37 GMT
BioWare haven't even announced whether Dragon Age will get a next installment, they won't here. They don't have to when it's obvious it's being made. www.google.ca/amp/www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-05-19-writing-the-next-dragon-ageTo answer OPs question which most people are avoiding, the best thing to do would be to wait for next gen graphics - maybe in a decade or so, then remaster the trilogy as one single release. Swarm mentality whenever someone posts something negative... its not the negativity its the flawed premise that bothers me.
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 21, 2017 19:17:57 GMT
I think if the books get canceled or not will give you a answer. If they are the rumors of it being put on ice are true if not then hopefully we get dlc. I personally do want a MET remaster just to avoid the loading screens on ps3.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 21, 2017 19:20:44 GMT
its not the negativity its the flawed premise that bothers me. It's almost like you didn't even read his post... If you can't even handle the mere possibility of Andromeda being put out to pasture... Next few months/years are gonna be rough.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 19:21:50 GMT
its not the negativity its the flawed premise that bothers me. It's almost like you didn't even read his post... If you can't even handle the mere possibility of Andromeda being put out to pasture... Next few months/years are gonna be rough. If you can't even handle the mere possibility of Andromeda being a success with DLC on the way... Next few months/years are gonna be rough.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 21, 2017 19:23:55 GMT
I don't want an MET remaster because at this point in time there isn't a need. I don't need to pay for games I already have so they look slightly better graphically. The graphical difference between this generation and last generation is not as great as it was in previous cycles. I can still play the MET and it will look fine to me even after playing MEA. If there are any old bioware games that could use the remaster treatment it would be kotor.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 21, 2017 19:24:16 GMT
BioWare haven't even announced whether Dragon Age will get a next installment, they won't here. They don't have to when it's obvious it's being made. www.google.ca/amp/www.eurogamer.net/amp/2017-05-19-writing-the-next-dragon-ageTo answer OPs question which most people are avoiding, the best thing to do would be to wait for next gen graphics - maybe in a decade or so, then remaster the trilogy as one single release. ... Shepard's story is done. Why make an old game when you can make a new one.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 21, 2017 19:25:47 GMT
I think ME is OK. People can have their subjectivity and opinion about their products, but as a continued franchise I still think it is OK. If they have to draw down their development in order to make Anthem and DA successes, go for it. If they think its better to take a year or two to more passively review how they'll make the next game, go for it. There will still be Anthem updates and maybe sequel, and DA DLC/updates and such to care about in the meantime anyway. And I doubt a Next Mass Effect will change engine or jump to so huge new ambitions anyway - lets hope for refinements, polish, and better action made on the 'promise' presented by MEA (and in a way imo, ME3; but that's another discussion and personal view). I can't say I'm any longer a positive Mass Effect fanatic (been years since that and MEA didn't make it better), but to me its still got life in it, at the very least enough that EA probably won't, and probably thinks it shouldn't have any 'death' announcements. A scaled down Montreal may just mean focused on DLC, support for Edmonton again, that sort of thing, instead of a jump towards following up on some gigantically successful (as in, it wasn't) MEA. For all we know at least. I think they just want to give the series a bit of time to breathe (hopefully helped by what DLC makes happen, but we'll see) and go back to it. Maybe if there was no Anthem and there was only Dragon Age they'd be faster to a return. Maybe if MEA was a smash GOTY hit they'd be faster to return. Maybe not. But a death announcement is likely premature. I guess Anthem could be hugely successful enough that the money people decide there's just no way ME should happen again and Bioware should devote almost everything to Anthem. Okay. (Even then, DA is IMO unlikely to be shut down so there's that chance to show people what RPG Bioware/2000s Bioware properties can still do.)Unless Anthem is a typical RPG BW game with SP, romances, etc... I doubt it'll be the greatest thing ever down the line. People who got into BW games got into them for the stories, the characters, the RP reasons. Anthem is more a MP focused game and since MP is hot currently, they are banking on that for the money. Sadly they won't gain a lot of SP supporters and that's the bigger fanbase than the MP players, also SP was around longer and has more followers too. To be fair, since ME2 Bioware has always been edging closer and closer to the "pew pew" audience and less away from the core SP-story centric audience they had with NWN, BG, and KOTOR. Hell, I guess you can say it all started with ME1 and the Pinnacle Station DLC which was a 180 from Bring Down the Sky and was soley focused on pew pew. There is GREAT interest in Anthem by the single fact that people believe Bioware will take the Destiny formula but add a better SP experience. If that happens, Anthem will be a huge hit. It may be hard to accept, but Bioware is moving on and wanting to explore new demographics. The core SP games they made in the past is like Woody and the flashy new MP pew pew games with a SP mode tacked on is Buzz Lightyear. Andy has a new favorite toy now.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 19:27:30 GMT
Shepard's story is done. Why make an old game when you can make a new one. Having the MET redone with the Frostbite engine would be like a new experience, and maybe it's just my age showing, but I like the old engine for those games, as it suited the feel of them more, since it was not about exploring vast places, but surviving to fight another day and with a little luck, saving the MW from annihilation.
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Post by setokaiba on Jun 21, 2017 19:27:48 GMT
I don't want an MET remaster because at this point in time there isn't a need. I don't need to pay for games I already have so they look slightly better graphically. The graphical difference between this generation and last generation is not as great as it was in previous cycles. I can still play the MET and it will look fine to me even after playing MEA. If there are any old bioware games that could use the remaster treatment it would be kotor. I'm trying to avoid those loading screens and you not helping lol. I couldn't care less about the graphics.
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Post by kumazan on Jun 21, 2017 19:34:25 GMT
They won't, and they shouldn't (yet), it'd make no sense. If BioWare really decides to ditch ME I think the earlier signs we'd get would be the leads (Mac, Ian, Mike, etc) moving to different projects.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 21, 2017 19:34:34 GMT
Personally, I think the fan base should just stop trying to tell Bioware how to run the business end of their business. It's up to their Board of Directors what they decide to announce and when. Bioware shouldn't have to coddle their fans all the time... Fans who do seem to be inordinately insecure. It's like the fan base wants Bioware to raise their hand to ask every time the CEO might even be thinking about taking a P*ss. not only that but people have a vested interest in seeing Andromeda/Montreal/Mass Effect to fail and misery loves company so they constantly post threads like this in an attempt to worry those who believe ME is moving forward. Yeah and I don't understand the mentality of wanting to see ME and Bioware in general fail unless that person worked at a rival developer and even in that case I doubt their competitors want to see them fail because chances are if they make a similar product to bioware they can attract some of their customers. So in the end of the day it is bitter gamers that want them to fail and that makes zero sense to me. You know what I do with games I don't like or series I don't like? I ignore them. I don't troll their fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2017 19:37:51 GMT
not only that but people have a vested interest in seeing Andromeda/Montreal/Mass Effect to fail and misery loves company so they constantly post threads like this in an attempt to worry those who believe ME is moving forward. Yeah and I don't understand the mentality of wanting to see ME and Bioware in general fail unless that person worked at a rival developer and even in that case I doubt their competitors want to see them fail because chances are if they make a similar product to bioware they can attract some of their customers. So in the end of the day it is bitter gamers that want them to fail and that makes zero sense to me. You know what I do with games I don't like or series I don't like? I ignore them. I don't troll their fans. A lot of this is pure vengeance because of ME3's ending and the official forums closing. It's just grown men and women acting like spoiled brats who are finally being told "no" when demanding something and expecting to get what they want.
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Post by tacsear on Jun 21, 2017 19:39:09 GMT
It's bad businness if they declare Mass Effect dead. Even with all the negativity, it is still a very strong name amongst the gaming community
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 21, 2017 19:40:32 GMT
not only that but people have a vested interest in seeing Andromeda/Montreal/Mass Effect to fail and misery loves company so they constantly post threads like this in an attempt to worry those who believe ME is moving forward. Yeah and I don't understand the mentality of wanting to see ME and Bioware in general fail unless that person worked at a rival developer and even in that case I doubt their competitors want to see them fail because chances are if they make a similar product to bioware they can attract some of their customers. So in the end of the day it is bitter gamers that want them to fail and that makes zero sense to me. You know what I do with games I don't like or series I don't like? I ignore them. I don't troll their fans.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jun 21, 2017 19:44:55 GMT
its not the negativity its the flawed premise that bothers me. It's almost like you didn't even read his post... If you can't even handle the mere possibility of Andromeda being put out to pasture... Next few months/years are gonna be rough. Its all good. I figured that I was going to get a bunch of, "but MEA is not dead!" post even though I made it clear in the OP that this isnt about debating if MEA is dead or not but rather a hypothetical situation IF MEA is dead, would we learn of this from EA/Bioware or will it be like KOTOR 3 and Jade Empire 2 where we most likely wont get those games, but Bioware will never admit it because they want to keep the door open for "just in case" scenarios.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 21, 2017 19:53:34 GMT
...You know what I do with games I don't like or series I don't like? I ignore them. I don't troll their fans. Yes, so much this. I don't post on Destiny, GTA, CoD etc. etc. forums because I don't enjoy those games. What possible reason would there be to post at all, let alone hundreds of times about a game I don't like. The tragedy is that not only would I waste my own time, I piss off the people who do enjoy those games. Coming back to home, I can understand that some folk might have enjoyed an older iteration of a BioWare franchise, but if they have to go back to Kotor or Baldur's Gate to find one they enjoyed, they really do need to let it go...
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 21, 2017 20:01:19 GMT
It's almost like you didn't even read his post... If you can't even handle the mere possibility of Andromeda being put out to pasture... Next few months/years are gonna be rough. Its all good. I figured that I was going to get a bunch of, "but MEA is not dead!" post even though I made it clear in the OP that this isnt about debating if MEA is dead or not but rather a hypothetical situation IF MEA is dead, would we learn of this from EA/Bioware or will it be like KOTOR 3 and Jade Empire 2 where we most likely wont get those games, but Bioware will never admit it because they want to keep the door open for "just in case" scenarios. This is off topic but unlike the other games they have made KOTOR was never bioware's own IP they just had permission to make it from the owner's of the IP which was Lucas Arts at the time. Now that Disney owns Star Wars they probably get the final say and what Star Wars games are made EA is just licensed to make those games they don't get the final say so in whether or not they are made.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 21, 2017 20:02:43 GMT
its not the negativity its the flawed premise that bothers me. It's almost like you didn't even read his post... If you can't even handle the mere possibility of Andromeda being put out to pasture... Next few months/years are gonna be rough. I've seen the destruction of the stargate franchise and the subsequent threats to reboot it into something i probably wouldn't like. I handled that just fine. And I'd handle it just fine. In fact i am quite prepared for it...and this is now the third time I've mentioned that to you. Ea might decide that ME is just too toxic with the endings combined with the reception to this game they may pull the plug. Or ME might go back to the safe comfy confines of the milky way with space marine 5000 (tm) But the problem is there is zero evidence of it. Hence the flawed premise bit.
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 21, 2017 20:10:04 GMT
Its all good. I figured that I was going to get a bunch of, "but MEA is not dead!" post even though I made it clear in the OP that this isnt about debating if MEA is dead or not but rather a hypothetical situation IF MEA is dead, would we learn of this from EA/Bioware or will it be like KOTOR 3 and Jade Empire 2 where we most likely wont get those games, but Bioware will never admit it because they want to keep the door open for "just in case" scenarios. This is off topic but unlike the other games they have made KOTOR was never bioware's own IP they just had permission to make it from the owner's of the IP which was Lucas Arts at the time. Now that Disney owns Star Wars they probably get the final say and what Star Wars games are made EA is just licensed to make those games they don't get the final say so in whether or not they are made. Except SWTOR continues from KOTOR and when being made was refered by the developers as being KOTOR 3 - 8. It ties up loose story ends as well and is still having content produced for it. While some people may want a single player game, the IP is still being used. It's not really "dead" as it where, just evolved as something else. (Note: if MMOs aren't your thing, it's fully possible to play SWTOR without doing any group content, if you just wanna see the story. Bioware rejigged it two (?) years ago so that exp rates where adjusted (a lot less grindy), heroics and any major story flashpoints solable etc.)
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Post by SwobyJ on Jun 21, 2017 20:11:25 GMT
This is off topic but unlike the other games they have made KOTOR was never bioware's own IP they just had permission to make it from the owner's of the IP which was Lucas Arts at the time. Now that Disney owns Star Wars they probably get the final say and what Star Wars games are made EA is just licensed to make those games they don't get the final say so in whether or not they are made. Except SWTOR continues from KOTOR and when being made was refered by the developers as being KOTOR 3 - 8. It ties up loose story ends as well and is still having content produced for it. While some people may want a single player game, the IP is still being used. It's not really "dead" as it where, just evolved as something else. (Note: if MMOs aren't your thing, it's fully possible to play SWTOR without doing any group content, if you just wanna see the story. Bioware rejigged it two (?) years ago so that exp rates where adjusted (a lot less grindy), heroics and any major story flashpoints solable etc.) I still wish the added story mode to raids like Dread Palace.
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Post by rras1994 on Jun 21, 2017 20:16:20 GMT
Except SWTOR continues from KOTOR and when being made was refered by the developers as being KOTOR 3 - 8. It ties up loose story ends as well and is still having content produced for it. While some people may want a single player game, the IP is still being used. It's not really "dead" as it where, just evolved as something else. (Note: if MMOs aren't your thing, it's fully possible to play SWTOR without doing any group content, if you just wanna see the story. Bioware rejigged it two (?) years ago so that exp rates where adjusted (a lot less grindy), heroics and any major story flashpoints solable etc.) I still wish the added story mode to raids like Dread Palace. Yeah, it's a real shame that some story content is gated behind big group content like that. At least they've learnt since that arc not to gate any major story behind group content again. They've made a real effort to be friendly for solo players. It;s probaly quite difficult however for them to make Ops content solable and they would probably have a huge backlash from the raider community. They can be really loud
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 21, 2017 20:19:12 GMT
This is off topic but unlike the other games they have made KOTOR was never bioware's own IP they just had permission to make it from the owner's of the IP which was Lucas Arts at the time. Now that Disney owns Star Wars they probably get the final say and what Star Wars games are made EA is just licensed to make those games they don't get the final say so in whether or not they are made. Except SWTOR continues from KOTOR and when being made was refered by the developers as being KOTOR 3 - 8. It ties up loose story ends as well and is still having content produced for it. While some people may want a single player game, the IP is still being used. It's not really "dead" as it where, just evolved as something else. (Note: if MMOs aren't your thing, it's fully possible to play SWTOR without doing any group content, if you just wanna see the story. Bioware rejigged it two (?) years ago so that exp rates where adjusted (a lot less grindy), heroics and any major story flashpoints solable etc.) I've played SWTOR from time to time over the years but SWTOR while being made by bioware is still Star Wars which means it is still needs Disney's blessing. It's not like DA and ME which are 100 percent under EA and Bioware's jurisdiction.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 21, 2017 20:23:00 GMT
I don't want an MET remaster because at this point in time there isn't a need. I don't need to pay for games I already have so they look slightly better graphically. The graphical difference between this generation and last generation is not as great as it was in previous cycles. I can still play the MET and it will look fine to me even after playing MEA. If there are any old bioware games that could use the remaster treatment it would be kotor. I'm trying to avoid those loading screens and you not helping lol. I couldn't care less about the graphics. I guess that's fair. I have gotten so used to loading screens I don't even notice then half the time. Besides the trilogy had fairly brief loading screens especially when compared to DAI and MEA. Those two have whoppers for loading screens (at least on the xbox one).
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