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Post by samhain444 on Jun 23, 2017 1:43:44 GMT
There will be SP DLC...and ME:A 2 in a few years...some people will be happy, less people will be unhappy because ME didnt die like they really hoped it would
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jun 23, 2017 1:56:46 GMT
Still not understanding why people need the world to adjust for their bad feelings about something. If that game comes in two years instead of five or ten and it's great and you love it you'd wonder why you said these things. Really the issue is whether or not you hang onto your bad feelings or try to feel better about it. Focusing on how bad you feel about it will only perpetuate that bad feeling. Could be 30 years and if all you do is think of the bad stuff rather than the stuff you liked about it then 30 years still wouldn't be long enough. Best thing you can do is learn to cope better. Or you could just understand the OP's point and let go of your salty emotional ass. He's just expressing a thought. Nobody kicked your dog. OT : Look, I can see your reason, maybe they could wait the dust to settle, or maybe they could simply make an amazing game once again while dealing with all the MEA leftovers. For me, I don't know what to think, there's nothing really that makes me excited for a new game, unless a DLC comes out and deals with these open subplots while leaving the taste of something magical yet to come. I would not mind that.
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Post by colfoley on Jun 23, 2017 3:59:53 GMT
That's what I believe as well. The anthem being released 2018, and DA4 possibly being released sometime in 2019, I don't see why the next ME game couldn't be released in 2020/21 Exactly. With Anthem being pushed back to 2018 the next game in the channel for BioWare is DA4. After that another MEA game. There have been a couple of things that have led me to believe that Kotaku article was blown out of proportion. One, BioWare is still streaming MP streams from Montreal every Thurs and one of the guys on the stream even made the comment to a viewer that "they were still there despite the news". Even if a player doesn't give a shit about the MP part of ME it shows that things are still going on. Also, Mike Gamble mentioned in a Tweet on the day of the 1.08 patch that they were working on the next patch release. For a "failure" this damn game sure is receiving a shite ton of support. We forget that EA and BioWare see's numbers that we can't through Origin, Microsoft and PSN. If those numbers show an active player base they'll keep supporting it. If they don't they'll drop it. All I'm seeing at this point is on-going support. need to make sure i play tonight lol.
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Post by cypherj on Jun 23, 2017 4:44:31 GMT
If the game wasn't enough of a hit to make them go into ME:A2 development right away, why would EA/Bioware think that in five years it will have enough of a draw to bring people back to the franchise and make it worth their while.
They released the entire original trilogy in five years. Fives years is way too long to go in between games when you're trying to re-introduce a franchise and give it some traction. That may be why we're where we're at right now. EA may have said we'll give this a shot and try to bring the series back, and maybe it didn't get the traction they wanted so they're just letting it go. I figure they would want to build on ME:3, and if they game didn;t perform as well as ME:3 they may just let it go.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jun 23, 2017 6:19:57 GMT
Still not understanding why people need the world to adjust for their bad feelings about something. If that game comes in two years instead of five or ten and it's great and you love it you'd wonder why you said these things. Really the issue is whether or not you hang onto your bad feelings or try to feel better about it. Focusing on how bad you feel about it will only perpetuate that bad feeling. Could be 30 years and if all you do is think of the bad stuff rather than the stuff you liked about it then 30 years still wouldn't be long enough. Best thing you can do is learn to cope better. If it’s great it’ll BECAUSE we said those things. That’s why Inquisition turned out okay. People praising inquisition now... Does nobody remember the amount of flak it got? Seriously. I've been with bioware since dragon age origins, and every game I know they released has had some sort of weird bioware internet hatred. And as soon as a new game is out, all previous games were suddenly the bee's knees. That's why I form my own opinions now, like a big boy. And my own opinion is that they make fun games. So I'm definitely hoping to see an MEA2: "revenge of the ryders".
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Post by oniangel on Jun 23, 2017 6:24:33 GMT
If Anthem does well then dont expect Edmonton to be moving away to another game for a handful of years due to its need for continued content creation. That leaves either Austin which is still in early development for another game and Montreal which has created a bad reputation with MEA. If Anthem is really great then it will further the divide in peoples trust of Montreal. I would not be surprised to be waiting for a decade for the next MassEffect if there is one.
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Post by kino on Jun 23, 2017 8:32:29 GMT
If it’s great it’ll BECAUSE we said those things. That’s why Inquisition turned out okay. People praising inquisition now... Does nobody remember the amount of flak it got? Seriously. I've been with bioware since dragon age origins, and every game I know they released has had some sort of weird bioware internet hatred. And as soon as a new game is out, all previous games were suddenly the bee's knees. That's why I form my own opinions now, like a big boy. And my own opinion is that they make fun games. So I'm definitely hoping to see an MEA2: "revenge of the ryders". Oh, the amount of flak it got. It was unreal. The whole "the franchise is dead" brigade on the old BSN because Laidlaw refused to be bullied into confirming DA4. Yet here we are. DA4 all but confirmed. People, man. I don't even...
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 23, 2017 8:51:50 GMT
Exactly. With Anthem being pushed back to 2018 the next game in the channel for BioWare is DA4. After that another MEA game. There have been a couple of things that have led me to believe that Kotaku article was blown out of proportion. One, BioWare is still streaming MP streams from Montreal every Thurs and one of the guys on the stream even made the comment to a viewer that "they were still there despite the news". Even if a player doesn't give a shit about the MP part of ME it shows that things are still going on. Also, Mike Gamble mentioned in a Tweet on the day of the 1.08 patch that they were working on the next patch release. For a "failure" this damn game sure is receiving a shite ton of support. We forget that EA and BioWare see's numbers that we can't through Origin, Microsoft and PSN. If those numbers show an active player base they'll keep supporting it. If they don't they'll drop it. All I'm seeing at this point is on-going support. need to make sure i play tonight lol. ...........Though I really hate, despise, loathe and did I mention I hate Origin. Best option is to open it and leave it running (crappy Origin) and ME:A running ... maybe at the started landing or maybe just before first jump area. Via that way I just let those hours spent playing start to rise while I go to town and spend the day doing other things... Oh sorry most probably don't leave their computers running 24/7... sorry that is a debate for another forum -nevermind.
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Post by abaris on Jun 23, 2017 8:53:09 GMT
A lot will depend on market trends. The western, single player RPG experience that Bioware offers is starting to feel like a outdated model in these online MP dominated times. If this continues and particularly if Anthem does well, I think ME is going to face some pretty serious time on the bench. According to international polls on gaming, players get older. The average is now something around 30. That's only stats for the US. But players over 50 already make for a quarter of all gamers. Being above 50 myself, I hardly think, they're waiting for the next shiny on the MP horizon. I for one don't. MP is simply an industry generated trend because it's easy ot capitalize on that without putting as much effort into development as a solid SP campaign demands. www.statista.com/statistics/189582/age-of-us-video-game-players-since-2010/
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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 23, 2017 10:26:39 GMT
I'd say they should just forget Andromeda. Most people already have, and many more will as time passes. Source? Would be interesting to read what the methodology for this research they used for each country it was released in was, along with a demographic breakdown. It is common sense, really. Just like when I said Andromeda was in bad shape because of its lack of marketing.
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Post by christsuperstar on Jun 23, 2017 10:52:27 GMT
Thing is, if they release anything ME withing 3-5 years, they have to make it spectacular, to (re)build that "streetcred". The hate train did go overboard, sadly - not that the game didn't have many flaws, but it had many good things too. I still blame really bad leadership/direction/focus for giving the hate train the fuel it needed. I like the Ryders, I like the Andromeda galaxy (even if I hate the overly-sensitive-but-not-really Angara snek hoomans, the copy/pasta faces, PiS, and the bad animations). Much potential to be utilized, but next time they do open world, cut down the openness a little, and up the story/immersion feel some please, so it feels... immersive. Music lacked too, wasn't bad at all, but it just wasn't memorable either. Great music for the moments really helps set the mood. I hope they make a new ME:A game in the coming 5 years, and I hope it will be great. PS. And for the love of god, PLEASE ALLOW US TO "LOSE" IF WE DO NEXT TO NO CONTENT AND EVERYTHING THE WORST POSSIBLE WAY! (And no, you don't get to transfer savegames if you lose).
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Post by abaris on Jun 23, 2017 11:14:48 GMT
Thing is, if they release anything ME withing 3-5 years, they have to make it spectacular, to (re)build that "streetcred". The hate train did go overboard, sadly - not that the game didn't have many flaws, but it had many good things too. Depends. The hate train, and by that I don't mean valid criticism but SJW, anti white racism, or simple trolling, is present since DAII. And yet DAI, released just three years after DAII was GOTY and by all accounts and indications an economic success. Otherwise it wouldn't have got as many story DLCs as it got. It may be that some people are still pissed over the ME3 endings and did indeed expect some sort of spectacular apology for that. But going by what I read about MEA even before it was released it was a different tale. People rightfully criticized and mocked the animations and glitches at release, but there was a fair share of social hatred projected on that game. I can't imagine long term Bioware gamers to go down that road, since Bioware always told mildly controversial tales. I always loved them for that and didn't notice any of that vocal bigotry surfacing before DAII. My own, and one and only criticism still is, that they lost their knack to draw me in with their story, their companions, the lead and their narrative, that for some reason turned out too "funny" in places. The game feels bland as compared to previous Bioware games, but I don't know if that even registered with the company bracing against a shitstorm of pure hatred based on social bigotry.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 23, 2017 11:50:31 GMT
I really enjoyed MEA and would love to see a dlc or two and then a new game within the next 2 to 3 years. I had no bugs or glitches in my game and aside from the awful animation problems I am not sure I understand all the hate... I really hope Bioware and EA appreciate that there are many who love ghe game and want to see more... yeah I' m not sure either why the hate for it because underneath all the bugs it still feels like a typical Bioware game to me. Yes I've had issues with the game but they were all technical and nothing to do with the actual gameplay/story itself. Thankfully it is in a far better state now thanks to the patches Bioware have put out. I just hope for other studio's sake that their games get a smoother launch than MEA. Because that's not a good way to get people interested in your franchise.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 23, 2017 11:54:10 GMT
Exactly. With Anthem being pushed back to 2018 the next game in the channel for BioWare is DA4. After that another MEA game. There have been a couple of things that have led me to believe that Kotaku article was blown out of proportion. One, BioWare is still streaming MP streams from Montreal every Thurs and one of the guys on the stream even made the comment to a viewer that "they were still there despite the news". Even if a player doesn't give a shit about the MP part of ME it shows that things are still going on. Also, Mike Gamble mentioned in a Tweet on the day of the 1.08 patch that they were working on the next patch release. For a "failure" this damn game sure is receiving a shite ton of support. We forget that EA and BioWare see's numbers that we can't through Origin, Microsoft and PSN. If those numbers show an active player base they'll keep supporting it. If they don't they'll drop it. All I'm seeing at this point is on-going support. need to make sure i play tonight lol. maybe if we all keep playing they'll get the hint.
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Post by abaris on Jun 23, 2017 12:22:28 GMT
There have been a couple of things that have led me to believe that Kotaku article was blown out of proportion. One, BioWare is still streaming MP streams from Montreal every Thurs and one of the guys on the stream even made the comment to a viewer that "they were still there despite the news". Even if a player doesn't give a shit about the MP part of ME it shows that things are still going on. Also, Mike Gamble mentioned in a Tweet on the day of the 1.08 patch that they were working on the next patch release. For a "failure" this damn game sure is receiving a shite ton of support. What kind of argument is that supposed to be? They would never drop their cashcow, which is multiplayer. Also, of course they keep patching. That's customer care. If they didn't do that, they could just as well pack up and leave. Both examples say absolutely nothing on SP and if it will be expanded on.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 23, 2017 12:35:10 GMT
There have been a couple of things that have led me to believe that Kotaku article was blown out of proportion. One, BioWare is still streaming MP streams from Montreal every Thurs and one of the guys on the stream even made the comment to a viewer that "they were still there despite the news". Even if a player doesn't give a shit about the MP part of ME it shows that things are still going on. Also, Mike Gamble mentioned in a Tweet on the day of the 1.08 patch that they were working on the next patch release. For a "failure" this damn game sure is receiving a shite ton of support. What kind of argument is that supposed to be? They would never drop their cashcow, which is multiplayer. Also, of course they keep patching. That's customer care. If they didn't do that, they could just as well pack up and leave. Both examples say absolutely nothing on SP and if it will be expanded on. no but as I keep saying while that is still happening there is always the chance it might.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 12:36:27 GMT
If it’s great it’ll BECAUSE we said those things. That’s why Inquisition turned out okay. People praising inquisition now... Does nobody remember the amount of flak it got? Seriously. I've been with bioware since dragon age origins, and every game I know they released has had some sort of weird bioware internet hatred. And as soon as a new game is out, all previous games were suddenly the bee's knees. That's why I form my own opinions now, like a big boy. And my own opinion is that they make fun games. So I'm definitely hoping to see an MEA2: "revenge of the ryders". Yeah, I remember even BG2 got a backlash because of who died and who did not from BG1. And the Throne of Bhaal... oh, my. The Original: "Bio is Dead! They can't make another good game!"
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where O is the year when BioWARE is declared finished because of this game; A is the year when you can say you liked the game without being shouted at by the "cool" crowd; Z is the year where a surprising number of people starts saying that they always felt they are the only person who loved the game; and H is the year the game is declared a classic game the equals of which we'll never see again, and X is the year of releas
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Post by darkway1 on Jun 23, 2017 13:10:15 GMT
Personally I think traditional Bioware games are in trouble,Andromeda demonstrates core problems with their development processes,writing,general design,core game play design and general creative direction,it's not a good place to be for any developer or any franchise.
I think "time" is irrelevant,Bioware desperately needs good talented people in the right places to go forward.....but from what I can see,Bioware seems to be shifting away from the traditional Bioware style of game.....making Dragon Age the last of it's kind.???
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Post by ozzie on Jun 23, 2017 13:58:10 GMT
Yeah, I remember even BG2 got a backlash because of who died and who did not from BG1. And the Throne of Bhaal... oh, my. The Original: "Bio is Dead! They can't make another good game!"
Hold on a minute, BG2 was an absolute smash, fan favourite, multi-award winning with almost exclusively 5/5 and 90%+ review scores and is Metacritics 6th highest rated game of all time. Even Throne of Bhaal has no negative professional reviews, both users and professional reviewers giving it high 80's on Metacritic.... pretty good for an expansion pack. I'm just not seeing this backlash.
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Post by abaris on Jun 23, 2017 14:00:51 GMT
I think "time" is irrelevant,Bioware desperately needs good talented people in the right places to go forward.....but from what I can see,Bioware seems to be shifting away from the traditional Bioware style of game.....making Dragon Age the last of it's kind.??? At least the EA brass made it very clear that the had indecent dreams over catching at least some of the COD audience. Especially Riccitiello was pretty vocal about that before the release of ME3, when he wasn't busy giving interviews where he downgraded COD. I think they managed, in part. In the wrong part, I would say, since with tacking on simple horde mode MP to all their games, they've attracted a lot of casuals, only interested in shooting up everything that moves, who may be partly responsible for the shitstorms their games are facing. As I said before, I've never seen that much of social hatred and bigotry before DAII in the reviews. And it got worse from there. From game to game.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 14:01:05 GMT
Yeah, I remember even BG2 got a backlash because of who died and who did not from BG1. And the Throne of Bhaal... oh, my. The Original: "Bio is Dead! They can't make another good game!"
Hold on a minute, BG2 was an absolute smash, fan favourite, multi-award winning with almost exclusively 5/5 and 90%+ review scores and is Metacritics 6th highest rated game of all time. Even Throne of Bhaal has no negative professional reviews, both users and professional reviewers giving it high 80's on Metacritic.... I'm just not seeing this backlash. Heh, I saw plenty on the forums, the back then equivalent of today's I dunno, reddit, Twitter, whatever. No end of angst over BioWARE "forcing" the group composition in the beginning of BG2 and I have literally never met anyone who've liked ToB.
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Post by ozzie on Jun 23, 2017 14:16:44 GMT
Hold on a minute, BG2 was an absolute smash, fan favourite, multi-award winning with almost exclusively 5/5 and 90%+ review scores and is Metacritics 6th highest rated game of all time. Even Throne of Bhaal has no negative professional reviews, both users and professional reviewers giving it high 80's on Metacritic.... I'm just not seeing this backlash. Heh, I saw plenty on the forums, the back then equivalent of today's I dunno, reddit, Twitter, whatever. No end of angst over BioWARE "forcing" the group composition in the beginning of BG2 and I have literally never met anyone who've liked ToB. I'll be honest, I wasn't ToB's biggest fan, but it was just an expansion pack anyway and SoA was fantastic. And back then I don't really think anybody cared much for user reviews or forums anyway. Thing is, there is just way too much trying to justify the poor reception of ME:A with what was said on fan forums prior to release of various bio-ware products. It's much ado about nothing, like the SJW gibberish we saw on youtube with ME:A, nobody really cared, they tried the same thing with Star Wars TfA. But non of this stuff significantly impacts sales, professional review scores, or how the games/films will be remembered in years to come.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 14:27:21 GMT
Heh, I saw plenty on the forums, the back then equivalent of today's I dunno, reddit, Twitter, whatever. No end of angst over BioWARE "forcing" the group composition in the beginning of BG2 and I have literally never met anyone who've liked ToB. I'll be honest, I wasn't ToB's biggest fan, but it was just an expansion pack anyway and SoA was fantastic. And back then I don't really think anybody cared much for user reviews or forums anyway. Thing is, there is just way too much trying to justify the poor reception of ME:A with what was said on fan forums prior to release of various bio-ware products. It's much ado about nothing, like the SJW gibberish we saw on youtube with ME:A, nobody really cared, they tried the same thing with Star Wars TfA. But non of this stuff significantly impacts sales, professional review scores, or how the games/films will be remembered in years to come. I am just saying, people ranted back then, people rant now. They rant about things that changed, they rant about things that stayed the same. I find it funny.
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Post by abaris on Jun 23, 2017 14:29:34 GMT
But non of this stuff significantly impacts sales, professional review scores, or how the games/films will be remembered in years to come. But it's worth pointing out that there happened a divide between user and professional ratings after ME2. I skimmed a few review for DAII, the first Bioware game being subject to a shitstorm and ME3. With DAII the major concern of the most vocal downraters was the comparison to DAO. Which is entirely unfair. Storywise and emotionally DAII trums DAO. If you like a personal hero story instead of the savior image DAO presented. With ME3 it was mainly the endings. But both games also saw the first influx of SJW bullshittery. DAII more than ME3, since DAII offered more in terms of gay and bisexual characters. Which obviously didn't sit well with certain people. What I want to say is, with ME2, user and professional reviews still were pretty much in line. It's also worth pointing out that in the case of MEA, the magazines handed out the lowest score in the history of any Bioware game. Far as I am aware at least.
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