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Post by alanc9 on Jun 23, 2017 14:41:08 GMT
need to make sure i play tonight lol. ...........Though I really hate, despise, loathe and did I mention I hate Origin. Best option is to open it and leave it running (crappy Origin) and ME:A running ... maybe at the started landing or maybe just before first jump area. Via that way I just let those hours spent playing start to rise while I go to town and spend the day doing other things... Oh sorry most probably don't leave their computers running 24/7... sorry that is a debate for another forum -nevermind. I did that for DAI since the load times were so awful on my below-min-spec rig. My hours played total is ridiculous. What's wrong with Origin? I find Steam more annoying since it updates more frequently.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 14:54:26 GMT
There will be SP DLC...and ME:A 2 in a few years...some people will be happy, less people will be unhappy because ME didnt die like they really hoped it would I really, REALLY hope you are right with the DLC and MEA 2. And haters can choke on their ridiculous, BS hate. They are like broken radio, which broadcasts the same frequency all over again.
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Post by ozzie on Jun 23, 2017 15:00:56 GMT
But non of this stuff significantly impacts sales, professional review scores, or how the games/films will be remembered in years to come. But it's worth pointing out that there happened a divide between user and professional ratings after ME2. I skimmed a few review for DAII, the first Bioware game being subject to a shitstorm and ME3. With DAII the major concern of the most vocal downraters was the comparison to DAO. Which is entirely unfair. Storywise and emotionally DAII trums DAO. If you like a personal hero story instead of the savior image DAO presented. With ME3 it was mainly the endings. But both games also saw the first influx of SJW bullshittery. DAII more than ME3, since DAII offered more in terms of gay and bisexual characters. Which obviously didn't sit well with certain people. What I want to say is, with ME2, user and professional reviews still were pretty much in line. It's also worth pointing out that in the case of MEA, the magazines handed out the lowest score in the history of any Bioware game. Far as I am aware at least. Yeah, but I'm of the opinion that the 'average' consumer doesn't care much for user reviews, forums or obscure youtube channels, the savvy consumer knows how to filter protest down-rating and franchise fans for the most part will buy the product anyway and review against how their own expectations were met. When you look at the average to negative reviews, professional in magazines, or fan ones posted here and on youtube, they are pretty much all focused on the production values and problems with the story, not the two offending lines of dialogue that triggered the alt-right. Same as Star Wars, the complaints are mostly centred around similarity to ANH or over-fan-servicing, with zero complaints about the female protagonist or the casting of John Boyega as a Stormtrooper that were all over the internet prior to release. I think some people are giving too much credit to the influence of politically motivated trolling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 15:12:15 GMT
I've thought a good bit about whether or not I'm happy about Mass Effect being supposedly put on ice. It's obviously not official but it's easy to believe. I honestly think it is a good thing and I hope whatever team picks it up continues the MEA story. Considering Mass Effect especially MEA is at its core about space exploration with an engaging story/plot, I think it would benefit the series to wait until the technology is better to provide a true space game that takes the training wheels off. By training wheels I mean the limitations of exploration and semi on rails experience. I want the next game to fully allow me to control my space ship and fly between planets. I want to be able seemlessly travel between vast open alien wilderness to sprawling metropolises similar to how we can seemlessly do that in games like the Witcher 3 or Skyrim. I also want the technology to evolve enough to allow for more quantity with the same pedigree of quality that people came to expect after ME2. So basically, I am ok with waiting until the generation of hardware is released before we get another Mass Effect. And I think we'll get there in 5 or 6 years easily. I could be wrong but I think putting the series on ice is a goood thing Even more open is probably going to sacrifice even more story continuity and plot depth... the tech doesn't change that (just saying).
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jun 23, 2017 15:18:13 GMT
There will be SP DLC...and ME:A 2 in a few years...some people will be happy, less people will be unhappy because ME didnt die like they really hoped it would I really, REALLY hope you are right with the DLC and MEA 2. And haters can choke on their ridiculous, BS hate. They are like broken radio, which broadcasts the same frequency all over again. yeah I d otoo bu tI have to admit as each week passes hope is dwindling so hopefully we get an answer soon hopefully with one of the next patches or something. Maybe another little extra gift for SP as well like another outfit or something.
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Post by abaris on Jun 23, 2017 15:22:12 GMT
Yeah, but I'm of the opinion that the 'average' consumer doesn't care much for user reviews, forums or obscure youtube channels, the savvy consumer knows how to filter protest down-rating and franchise fans for the most part will buy the product anyway and review against how their own expectations were met. When you look at the average to negative reviews, professional in magazines, or fan ones posted here and on youtube, they are pretty much all focused on the production values and problems with the story, not the two offending lines of dialogue that triggered the alt-right. Same as Star Wars, the complaints are mostly centred around similarity to ANH or over-fan-servicing, with zero complaints about the female protagonist or the casting of John Boyega as a Stormtrooper that were all over the internet prior to release. I think some people are giving too much credit to the influence of politically motivated trolling. I'm not sure. Joe and Jane average may not trust reviews, but they're usually glued to their social media feeds and definetely youtube. Even youtubers that normally don't get that much attention, scored high with their glitch videos. There's even a quite vocal racist and antimuslim activist having a mere 1200 views to most of his bigotted videos, but his Andromeda SJW rant got 854.722 views. Released at a date when the game wasn't even out yet.
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Post by warrior on Jun 23, 2017 15:23:24 GMT
Source? Would be interesting to read what the methodology for this research they used for each country it was released in was, along with a demographic breakdown. Well... the forum’s dying compared to how many people used to be online concurrently. Andromeda is at the bottom of every sales chart released over the last month or so. There’s been no word from EA or Bioware on future DLC despite all the games that came out around the same time having had DLC announced. There was no talk of Andromeda at E3 - where only Anthem was focused on - a sci-fi action adventure very similar to ME, only with much more $$$ and polish thrown at it... Then there’s all the reports that Bioware Montreal has been downsized and back to being a support studio. Or you could somehow between the lines and come to the least likely conclusion that EA and Bioware are thrilled with Andromeda! They’re not gonna come out and tell us how well it sold, but it should be so obvious that it sold amazingly! And they’re hard at work on DLC and the sequel! Soon! Right?..... r...righ.. right??? You mean this forum in particular, or the old forum, or what? Because forums like this one are basically a relic of the internet past, which is why it skews so old here. It's like looking at livejournal for evidence or trends. Plus the old boards were killed. I'm not even sure how I found my way here, but I only came here because I went to the old boards (where I posted re: ME3 for a little bit in 2012) and saw they had been axed. You're better looking at some other social venues, like twitter, tumblr, or even reddit, for a better idea of how many people are talking about the game and what they think of it overall.
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Post by fygee on Jun 23, 2017 15:27:39 GMT
Honestly, be it next year, five years, or ten years, as long as they release a high quality sequel that resolves a lot of the issues from the first, they'll make a lot of money and people will stop complaining.
Nothing fixes a bad game in an established franchise like a much better sequel.
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Post by guanxi on Jun 23, 2017 15:55:23 GMT
If we ever get another Mass Effect after ME:A I expect nothing less than the full Anthem treatment and I want the A-Team attached to it. Anything less then don't bother wasting our time. If that is not possible for the next 5 to 10 years then so be it.
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Post by theedeathmaster on Jun 23, 2017 16:11:13 GMT
It doesn't need anything other than proper management and writers worth a damn. They just don't want to give this franchise the resources it needs. I don't know what you have to do to change that attitude at EA.
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Post by abaris on Jun 23, 2017 16:33:39 GMT
They just don't want to give this franchise the resources it needs. I don't know what you have to do to change that attitude at EA. According to all informations they gave it a lot of resources and time for development. To assume EA would willingly sink a multi million dollar investment and countless hours of manpower, is absurd. I tend to believe the Kotaku article on what really happened. Obviously a chaotic situation but not intent.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 23, 2017 16:46:22 GMT
I don't want to wait a damn decade for a game that is supposed to be a sequel. It was one thing to have a 5 year gap between ME3 and MEA at least MEA wasn't a direct sequel. This next game if it happens will be a sequel. Damn the internet, damn the youtube trolls, damn the meta critic user trolls, damn the haters, damn them all for this franchise being put on ice.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 23, 2017 16:48:38 GMT
Damn the internet, damn the youtube trolls, damn the meta critic user trolls, damn the haters, damn them all for this franchise being put on ice. You should blame the game and the people that made it.
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Post by darkway1 on Jun 23, 2017 16:56:28 GMT
I think "time" is irrelevant,Bioware desperately needs good talented people in the right places to go forward.....but from what I can see,Bioware seems to be shifting away from the traditional Bioware style of game.....making Dragon Age the last of it's kind.??? At least the EA brass made it very clear that the had indecent dreams over catching at least some of the COD audience. Especially Riccitiello was pretty vocal about that before the release of ME3, when he wasn't busy giving interviews where he downgraded COD. I think they managed, in part. In the wrong part, I would say, since with tacking on simple horde mode MP to all their games, they've attracted a lot of casuals, only interested in shooting up everything that moves, who may be partly responsible for the shitstorms their games are facing. As I said before, I've never seen that much of social hatred and bigotry before DAII in the reviews. And it got worse from there. From game to game. For people who love traditional Bioware game's,it's easy to understand the ever growing bitterness of fans,Bioware games have slowly been devolving under EA's management to the point where Andromeda doesn't even feel like a Bioware game,the focus clearly being on shooting stuff and multi-player.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 23, 2017 16:57:14 GMT
Damn the internet, damn the youtube trolls, damn the meta critic user trolls, damn the haters, damn them all for this franchise being put on ice. You should blame the game and the people that made it. Having started a fresh playthrough this week after taking a long break from the game it is obvious this game got a disproportionate amount of hate that it largely doesn't deserve. Does it have flaws? Yes. Does it deserve some CONSTRUCTIVE criticism? Yes. But it also has a lot of good to it. It ain't a black and white thing that a lot of idiotic gamers want it to be. It may not be a 10 but it is certainly not a 1 or 2 either.
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Post by theedeathmaster on Jun 23, 2017 17:13:18 GMT
They just don't want to give this franchise the resources it needs. I don't know what you have to do to change that attitude at EA. According to all informations they gave it a lot of resources and time for development. To assume EA would willingly sink a multi million dollar investment and countless hours of manpower, is absurd. I tend to believe the Kotaku article on what really happened. Obviously a chaotic situation but not intent. They had to bring Walters in to salvage it and then we got 18mo of game development. Literal years of stagnation, who can that be on but the people before him. And of course the decision to release the game in the state it was in.
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Post by clips7 on Jun 23, 2017 17:20:18 GMT
Not sure when we will get a new game...right now the team that made Andromeda is split up and the team that should have made Andromeda in the first place is working on Anthem. There is no way that when Anthem is finally finished will this team turn around and start work on the next Andromeda game. Being that high production games take anywhere from 2-3 years to fully produce, I think anything beyond 5 years seems feasible. Andromeda was plagued with mis-management issues and they had to deal with folks leaving during the middle of production. I always wondered why we didn't see vids or anything until right before the game released. In aby case Andromeda wasn't as bad as the folks on youtube made it out to be. Yeah the glitches and animation issues should not have passed QA, but again those were all cosmetic issues that Bioware fixed and nothing related as to why Andromeda is lacking in story and character development. We'll see what happens when they create the next game and hopefully they will let the team that created the trilogy work on it and who knows, in some game franchises, the best games comes from it's 2nd iteration..... ME2, Uncharted 2, Resident Evil 2 ...Silent Hill 2.....
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 17:28:17 GMT
Seeing as the MEA team pulled together an amazing game after all the troubles they endured, if they can improve on what they have learned from this, MEA2 is worth the wait!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 17:32:11 GMT
Damn the internet, damn the youtube trolls, damn the meta critic user trolls, damn the haters, damn them all for this franchise being put on ice. You should blame the game and the people that made it. Definitely... I am totally blaming them for giving me a great game that I'm thoroughly enjoying and having fun playing. My credit/blame goes where it has been earned and is deserved. Over the 5 years before ME:A's release many tried to stop any other ME game from ever being released. They've been campaigning to basically shut down the company for all that time as well. So, despite all the shit Bioware endured over those years, they released a game I very much enjoy. I have it now... and no one can take it away from me. I can't blame Bioware for being tired of the fan abuse they take, but I do hope they overcome it one more time even though those same "fans" are already working hard to prevent the release of another ME game... some things never change. I want Bioware to know that I, for one, will be waiting with excited anticipation for the next installment to Ryder's story. You're not perfect, Bioware; but IMO, you're damn good at what you do.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jun 23, 2017 17:37:26 GMT
...........Though I really hate, despise, loathe and did I mention I hate Origin. Best option is to open it and leave it running (crappy Origin) and ME:A running ... maybe at the started landing or maybe just before first jump area. Via that way I just let those hours spent playing start to rise while I go to town and spend the day doing other things... Oh sorry most probably don't leave their computers running 24/7... sorry that is a debate for another forum -nevermind. I did that for DAI since the load times were so awful on my below-min-spec rig. My hours played total is ridiculous. What's wrong with Origin? I find Steam more annoying since it updates more frequently. Seriously? media.giphy.com/media/uAfXnIyBExwxG/giphy.gif Or are you unaware of my issues with that craptastic program EA calls Origin? If the latter then take a look: bsn.boards.net/thread/7265/fixed-endless-install-waiting-confirm?Also one thing not listed there is that Origin on my operating system (Win 10 ENT) only seems to run once and then always needs to be reinstalled. I should also advise that my OS is a customized operating system -I have modifed nearly 100 things in the OS itself.. so it is some what touchy. I know it will not occur but what I would not give for a traditional installer. Also take special note: Origin is locked for me to one game at a time.
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Post by dillk on Jun 23, 2017 17:41:22 GMT
At least the EA brass made it very clear that the had indecent dreams over catching at least some of the COD audience. Especially Riccitiello was pretty vocal about that before the release of ME3, when he wasn't busy giving interviews where he downgraded COD. I think they managed, in part. In the wrong part, I would say, since with tacking on simple horde mode MP to all their games, they've attracted a lot of casuals, only interested in shooting up everything that moves, who may be partly responsible for the shitstorms their games are facing. As I said before, I've never seen that much of social hatred and bigotry before DAII in the reviews. And it got worse from there. From game to game. For people who love traditional Bioware game's,it's easy to understand the ever growing bitterness of fans,Bioware games have slowly been devolving under EA's management to the point where Andromeda doesn't even feel like a Bioware game,the focus clearly being on shooting stuff and multi-player. Your comment is quite like a trolling because of its caricatural excess. No MEA isn't just Shooting and MP. And no I won't bother argue with such absurd affirmation.
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Post by abaris on Jun 23, 2017 17:43:04 GMT
For people who love traditional Bioware game's,it's easy to understand the ever growing bitterness of fans,Bioware games have slowly been devolving under EA's management to the point where Andromeda doesn't even feel like a Bioware game,the focus clearly being on shooting stuff and multi-player. Andromeda is the first Bioware game I didn't enjoy very much. What they did with DAII, while I hated the simplified combat, wasn't a problem, since there was still a very personal story and enjoyable companions. ME3 didn't draw me in as much as ME2 did, but with DAI I clocked off more than 700 hours and still feel that itch to replay it and try something different. I'm nowhere near this feeling with Andromeda. I played it once, had a bit of fun, started an NG+ and got bored within hours.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 17:49:09 GMT
You should blame the game and the people that made it. Definitely... I am totally blaming them for giving me a great game that I'm thoroughly enjoying and having fun playing. My credit/blame goes where it has been earned and is deserved. Over the 5 years before ME:A's release many tried to stop any other ME game from ever being released. They've been campaigning to basically shut down the company for all that time as well. So, despite all the shit Bioware endured over those years, they released a game I very much enjoy. I have it now... and no one can take it away from me. I can't blame Bioware for being tired of the fan abuse they take, but I do hope they overcome it one more time even though those same "fans" are already working hard to prevent the release of another ME game... some things never change. I want Bioware to know that I, for one, will be waiting with excited anticipation for the next installment to Ryder's story. You're not perfect, Bioware; but IMO, you're damn good at what you do. I'm about done with "fans" demanding BW to do things as if their say is all that counts. If not for BW they wouldn't even have a game or characters that caused such a strong reaction in the first place.
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Post by dillk on Jun 23, 2017 17:52:10 GMT
in some game franchises, the best games comes from it's 2nd iteration..... ME2, Uncharted 2, Resident Evil 2 ...Silent Hill 2..... DA2, Kotor 2, NWN 2, Deus Ex 2, Morrowind 2, Dishonored 2, Majesty 2, Lands of Lore 2, he well ok. :-) It would require some in deep analysis but I bet greatest second was mostly always chaining closely a good success of the 1. With a team frozen and disbanded, this "pattern of the 2" will hardly work.
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Post by kevinkevin on Jun 23, 2017 18:00:55 GMT
I've been a fan of BW since NWN back in 2002. Bought every title they released since then. Even the indirect games, like the craptastic NWN2 from Obsidian.
BW sold it's soul when it sold out to EA. ME:A proves that. After one playthrough, I have no real need or desire to spend the time to revisit ME:A. Just...blah.
Given the weak response to ME:A, I wonder if the bean counters at EA will sign off on another AAA ME game, ever.
The worst part of that possibility is that - at this point - I don't really care if they ever do.
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