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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 18:48:36 GMT
That's why I roll my eyes at the many threads about it here on this forum. It's hard to separate the legit upset fans from those losers because creative criticism is unheard of nowadays and everything is memes and hungry trolls. Those that attempt legit feedback get their threads locked due to derailment. hey i tried. I started a series of threads that critically looked at the issues and successes in the game. Some caused good conversation. Some didn't. Yeah it seems no one wants to be mature, think for themselves or act intelligent. They want to be spoon-fed everything without working for it, like a hungry baby crying and screaming for their mother to fix things, but can't communicate how.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 23, 2017 18:53:08 GMT
Yeah and I am really beginning to hate some of these people. I do not understand the mentality of someone that is actively trying to destroy a game or franchise that other people love. I don't go out of my way to bring down franchises I don't like. I just ignore them. Some of these haters are really disturbed psychopaths that want to ruin it for other people. If you start only now to hate them then you are a part of the problem, sorry to pinpoint that.
DA2 did help the haters rise in number and have growing sub communities. But the ME3 case is a total absurdity, that is players reactions was just hysteria. A hero of a RPG series dying was the real problem for most of those that contributed to destroy ME3. But hero death was a great design choice, adult and anti Hollywood crap. For the sophisticated arguing about this end it's just blah blah, colors problem is fake problem it's words that matter, players surprise is a fake problem since very first step of ME3 the ending is started to be build, that an AI is cause of all makes sense, and so on. I agree some details that mostly no players quoted was a problem but not such a big deal to destroy a game. The worst is the free extended end DLC fix almost all complains, and most players continue argue without consider it. Then came DAi, perhaps I got a wrong view of the game but I get discouraged and waited about 2 years before to play it. And ok first hours with the game was burdened by many aspects. But when I found how organize myself the gameplay flow so it is fun for me, then I realized how I have been manipulated by haters. My current believing is Bioware is soon dead and I don't have the will to struggle explain why for different tastes no way The Witcher 3 or Skyrim can compete with ME3, DAI and even MEA. That Bioware could be uneven in writing quality but only one AAA RPG dev really does better, CDP, and certainly not Obsidian nor Inxile and even less Larian. That companions could be sometime questonable, but still 20 to 30 of the best companions ever done are all made by Bioware. Perhaps some design shift could have disturb some players, still full ME series, MEA, DAO, DA2, BG2, all have ridiculously better combats than any Bethesda RPG, than any Obsidian RPG. Even a game as Divine Divinity acclaimed for the combats design is in fact a half failure because 50% of combats have a weak light design and the combat system can't fix that, and in last areas it's becoming worse and worse to the point that most Bioware RPG have better combats on a full play. But nope it didn't count and Bioware is going silently to a tomb, and crap stupid haters believing they know the blueprint th at must be done to make a good RPG, stupid, they don't evven realize the huge number of RPG classic that don't match their rigid blueprint.You are obviously not to familiar with me. I have been calling these idiots out for years going back to when I first became active on the old bsn back in 2011.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 18:54:10 GMT
in some game franchises, the best games comes from it's 2nd iteration..... ME2, Uncharted 2, Resident Evil 2 ...Silent Hill 2..... DA2, Kotor 2, NWN 2, Deus Ex 2, Morrowind 2, Dishonored 2, Majesty 2, Lands of Lore 2, he well ok. :-) It would require some in deep analysis but I bet greatest second was mostly always chaining closely a good success of the 1. With a team frozen and disbanded, this "pattern of the 2" will hardly work. BG2 is also the second best
Unless you are being sarcastic and not listing DA2, NWN2 and KOTOR2 as improvements on the originals, heh. In which case, ah, I loved those seconds more than their predecessors.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 23, 2017 18:55:22 GMT
hey i tried. I started a series of threads that critically looked at the issues and successes in the game. Some caused good conversation. Some didn't. Yeah it seems no one wants to be mature, think for themselves or act intelligent. They want to be spoon-fed everything without working for it, like a hungry baby crying and screaming for their mother to fix things, but can't communicate how. I don't know I would give the hungry baby more credit. It is way more thoughtful and coherent than the people it is being compared to.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 18:56:26 GMT
Yeah it seems no one wants to be mature, think for themselves or act intelligent. They want to be spoon-fed everything without working for it, like a hungry baby crying and screaming for their mother to fix things, but can't communicate how. I don't know I would give the hungry baby more credit. It way more thoughtful and coherent than the people it is being compared to. Haha too true!
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Post by suikoden on Jun 23, 2017 18:57:56 GMT
I love when people compare a long-time trilogy that expanded your hero's story and introduced new characters to a game that's just beginning. But it's weaker than every game in the trilogy as a standalone... I could actually overlook many of Andromedas flaws if it had an engaging story and likeable characters. I don't play ME for the combat, and unfortunately that seems to be the only thing Bioware put any effort into for Andromeda.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 18:58:05 GMT
Yeah and I am really beginning to hate some of these people. I do not understand the mentality of someone that is actively trying to destroy a game or franchise that other people love. I don't go out of my way to bring down franchises I don't like. I just ignore them. Some of these haters are really disturbed psychopaths that want to ruin it for other people. When that article came out about MEA being put on hold, some guys on Reddit said "We did it guys!" and celebrated. I keep saying this and I ´ ll say it again. Those people are seriously ill and should seek professional help.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 23, 2017 19:01:04 GMT
When that article came out about MEA being put on hold, some guys on Reddit said "We did it guys!" and celebrated. I keep saying this and I ´ ll say it again. Those people are seriously ill and should seek professional help. Maybe don't mock stuff like that. Very petty and cruel for anyone that actually does suffer from mental illness.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 19:01:47 GMT
I love when people compare a long-time trilogy that expanded your hero's story and introduced new characters to a game that's just beginning. But it's weaker than every game in the trilogy as a standalone... I could actually overlook many of Andromedas flaws if it had an engaging story and likeable characters. I don't play ME for the combat, and unfortunately that seems to be the only thing Bioware put any effort into for Andromeda. That's the problem. Not everyone shares your feelings on this and many loved the story and fell in love with the characters. I had a few I wasn't interested in at first, but I gave them all a chance by getting to know each of them in-between missions and came to love them as much as my DAI companions. I never write something off from a first impression only. I try again. Give it another chance. If I can't like it, then I move on.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 23, 2017 19:02:49 GMT
You should blame the game and the people that made it. Definitely... I am totally blaming them for giving me a great game that I'm thoroughly enjoying and having fun playing. My credit/blame goes where it has been earned and is deserved. Over the 5 years before ME:A's release many tried to stop any other ME game from ever being released. They've been campaigning to basically shut down the company for all that time as well. So, despite all the shit Bioware endured over those years, they released a game I very much enjoy. I have it now... and no one can take it away from me. I can't blame Bioware for being tired of the fan abuse they take, but I do hope they overcome it one more time even though those same "fans" are already working hard to prevent the release of another ME game... some things never change. I want Bioware to know that I, for one, will be waiting with excited anticipation for the next installment to Ryder's story. You're not perfect, Bioware; but IMO, you're damn good at what you do. Your enjoyment of the game has nothing to do with what I said. That Andromeda failed to meet expectations from the general fanbase, critics and most importantly, EA's, it doesn't mean the game can't be enjoyed. Mass Effect being put on ice is not because some people wanted it to fail, but because the game wasn't good enough. It's simple, really. That choice wasn't made by Bioware because they were tired, because by EA because they thought it was the best thing to do.
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Post by dillk on Jun 23, 2017 19:04:46 GMT
DA2, Kotor 2, NWN 2, Deus Ex 2, Morrowind 2, Dishonored 2, Majesty 2, Lands of Lore 2, he well ok. :-) It would require some in deep analysis but I bet greatest second was mostly always chaining closely a good success of the 1. With a team frozen and disbanded, this "pattern of the 2" will hardly work. BG2 is also the second best
Unless you are being sarcastic and not listing DA2, NWN2 and KOTOR2 as improvements on the originals, heh. In which case, ah, I loved those seconds more than their predecessors.
Morrowind 2 is the only true smile, it's meaning Oblivion ha ha i like cheat a bit with rules. :-) DA2 only improved some combats aspects, better merging of adventuring and companions, better character building of non mages. The problem I have with DA2 is the collection of absurd rushing they let in the game, and frankly I found last parts a bit irritating. For NWN2 I don't remember well if it was done by Bioware or Obsidian. I look from a large perspective, NWN1 original campaign wasn't that good, NWN2 OC was awfully linear but overall better, and ok its system is overall better. But for extensions and mods, no way NWN2 compete with NWN1 and it's not MotB or the system that change the balances. But ok I see what you mean. For Kotor 2, no way from its reputation I can agree with you, but ok I haven't played it yet. :-)
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Post by smilesja on Jun 23, 2017 19:05:02 GMT
Definitely... I am totally blaming them for giving me a great game that I'm thoroughly enjoying and having fun playing. My credit/blame goes where it has been earned and is deserved. Over the 5 years before ME:A's release many tried to stop any other ME game from ever being released. They've been campaigning to basically shut down the company for all that time as well. So, despite all the shit Bioware endured over those years, they released a game I very much enjoy. I have it now... and no one can take it away from me. I can't blame Bioware for being tired of the fan abuse they take, but I do hope they overcome it one more time even though those same "fans" are already working hard to prevent the release of another ME game... some things never change. I want Bioware to know that I, for one, will be waiting with excited anticipation for the next installment to Ryder's story. You're not perfect, Bioware; but IMO, you're damn good at what you do. Your enjoyment of the game has nothing to do with what I said. That Andromeda failed to meet expectations from the general fanbase, critics and most importantly, EA's, it doesn't mean the game can't be enjoyed. Mass Effect being put on ice is not because some people wanted it to fail, but because the game wasn't good enough. It's simple, really. That choice wasn't made by Bioware because they were tired, because by EA because they thought it was the best thing to do. But where's the proof that me a is being put on ice because of the reception?
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Post by colfoley on Jun 23, 2017 19:06:23 GMT
I love when people compare a long-time trilogy that expanded your hero's story and introduced new characters to a game that's just beginning. But it's weaker than every game in the trilogy as a standalone... I could actually overlook many of Andromedas flaws if it had an engaging story and likeable characters. I don't play ME for the combat, and unfortunately that seems to be the only thing Bioware put any effort into for Andromeda. see here's the thing that seems a bit disingenuous. The original trilogy was wildly popular and critically acclaimed. But in places was poorly written. Each game has multiple major plot holes. And sub par character writing. MEA has claims of poor writing and bad Character design. Yet we must claim that it's the by far and away the inferior game...huh?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 19:06:35 GMT
Your enjoyment of the game has nothing to do with what I said. That Andromeda failed to meet expectations from the general fanbase, critics and most importantly, EA's, it doesn't mean the game can't be enjoyed. Mass Effect being put on ice is not because some people wanted it to fail, but because the game wasn't good enough. It's simple, really. That choice wasn't made by Bioware because they were tired, because by EA because they thought it was the best thing to do. But where's the proof that me a is being put on ice because of the reception? There is none. This is a common pattern when a game is finished, but those that want it to fail want to see it that way. EA is happy with MEA. There's more content on the way. ME will continue. Simple as that.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 23, 2017 19:08:35 GMT
But it's weaker than every game in the trilogy as a standalone... I could actually overlook many of Andromedas flaws if it had an engaging story and likeable characters. I don't play ME for the combat, and unfortunately that seems to be the only thing Bioware put any effort into for Andromeda. That's the problem. Not everyone shares your feelings on this and many loved the story and fell in love with the characters. I had a few I wasn't interested in at first, but I gave them all a chance by getting to know each of them in-between missions and came to love them as much as my DAI companions. I never write something off from a first impression only. I try again. Give it another chance. If I can't like it, then I move on. The story is very generic... Not sure how that can be debated. The majority of players were fans of the trilogy's story, while Andromeda is incredibly decisive. This should warrent a change and you should realise that even as a fan of the story and characters in Ansromeda.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 23, 2017 19:09:51 GMT
Your enjoyment of the game has nothing to do with what I said. That Andromeda failed to meet expectations from the general fanbase, critics and most importantly, EA's, it doesn't mean the game can't be enjoyed. Mass Effect being put on ice is not because some people wanted it to fail, but because the game wasn't good enough. It's simple, really. That choice wasn't made by Bioware because they were tired, because by EA because they thought it was the best thing to do. But where's the proof that me a is being put on ice because of the reception? If an article by a credible journalist isn't enough for you, just wait. Time will tell, just like it told of Andromda's troubled development.
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Post by suikoden on Jun 23, 2017 19:10:39 GMT
But it's weaker than every game in the trilogy as a standalone... I could actually overlook many of Andromedas flaws if it had an engaging story and likeable characters. I don't play ME for the combat, and unfortunately that seems to be the only thing Bioware put any effort into for Andromeda. see here's the thing that seems a bit disingenuous. The original trilogy was wildly popular and critically acclaimed. But in places was poorly written. Each game has multiple major plot holes. And sub par character writing. MEA has claims of poor writing and bad Character design. Yet we must claim that it's the by far and away the inferior game...huh? Yes. The divisive response should show that. If it was on par with the trilogy, it wouldn't be at 72% and 4/10 on metacritic, and any backlash would again be relegated to legit trolls, not legit fans.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 19:12:48 GMT
That's the problem. Not everyone shares your feelings on this and many loved the story and fell in love with the characters. I had a few I wasn't interested in at first, but I gave them all a chance by getting to know each of them in-between missions and came to love them as much as my DAI companions. I never write something off from a first impression only. I try again. Give it another chance. If I can't like it, then I move on. The story is very generic... Not sure how that can be debated. The majority of players were fans of the trilogy's story, while Andromeda is incredibly decisive. This should warrent a change and you should realise that even as a fan of the story and characters in Ansromeda. Another issue. The MEA team said MEA is new. Nothing about it is meant to relate to the trilogy. It was a new beginning. A story about hope, not survival. It had humor, younger heroes and a plot that's only just starting. If MET fans try to compare it, compare the squadmates and the story, it will not match up. It's meant to be viewed with new eyes. I also had to remind myself of that because many times I got into a Shepard way of thinking and realized it won't work for Ryder. Ryder is not an N7. Ryder is just as normal as the person playing them and can be shaped in a way that can be like Shepard to an extent or someone more like yourself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 19:13:51 GMT
BG2 is also the second best
Unless you are being sarcastic and not listing DA2, NWN2 and KOTOR2 as improvements on the originals, heh. In which case, ah, I loved those seconds more than their predecessors.
Morrowind 2 is the only true smile, it's meaning Oblivion ha ha i like cheat a bit with rules. :-) DA2 only improved some combats aspects, better merging of adventuring and companions, better character building of non mages. The problem I have with DA2 is the collection of absurd rushing they let in the game, and frankly I found last parts a bit irritating. For NWN2 I don't remember well if it was done by Bioware or Obsidian. I look from a large perspective, NWN1 original campaign wasn't that good, NWN2 OC was awfully linear but overall better, and ok its system is overall better. But for extensions and mods, no way NWN2 compete with NWN1 and it's not MotB or the system that change the balances. But ok I see what you mean. For Kotor 2, no way from its reputation I can agree with you, but ok I haven't played it yet. :-) I am not familiar with any of the games you listed, except for those three, but I really did loved DA2, NWN2 OC and KOTOR2 more than the first ones.
Both DA1 and KOTOR1 are fine games, but I just fangirl faint-level LOVED the seconds.
I was unable to get far in NWN1, which to this day remains the only BioWARE title I have stopped playing and did not finish ever, but the second one, despite its flaws, it was a sigh of relief appearance wise, and featured some very good sequences, like the trial and defense of the Keep, and the very first romantic cutscene iirc that had taken you to a special location. I did not like MotB actually.
Both NWN2 and KOTOR2 are made by Obsidian, yes.
I overall just love games that have strong emotional impact on me, and DA2/KOTOR2/ME2+3 are unrivaled in that respect for me. So, mostly the two-es!
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Post by smilesja on Jun 23, 2017 19:13:57 GMT
But where's the proof that me a is being put on ice because of the reception? If an article by a credible journalist isn't enough for you, just wait. Time will tell, just like it told of Andromda's troubled development. An article that he had to edit multiple times. I do expect more stuff to come for me a in the future.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 23, 2017 19:17:42 GMT
If an article by a credible journalist isn't enough for you, just wait. Time will tell, just like it told of Andromda's troubled development. An article that he had to edit multiple times. I do expect more stuff to come for me a in the future. Is this really the argument against it? It had multiple edits? Anyway, if MEA has more than 1 singleplayer DLC, then you're right. But it won't.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jun 23, 2017 19:21:39 GMT
An article that he had to edit multiple times. I do expect more stuff to come for me a in the future. Is this really the argument against it? It had multiple edits? Anyway, if MEA has more than 1 singleplayer DLC, then you're right. But it won't. I don't care for the edits, but it contradicts itself. Why say the franchise is on ice but then say EA was happy with it and still has strong expectations for the franchise? Either the article is there for attention(click bait), or EA is lieing. Kind of why I've said they need to give an official statement or this just keeps getting brought up.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2017 19:22:41 GMT
Definitely... I am totally blaming them for giving me a great game that I'm thoroughly enjoying and having fun playing. My credit/blame goes where it has been earned and is deserved. Over the 5 years before ME:A's release many tried to stop any other ME game from ever being released. They've been campaigning to basically shut down the company for all that time as well. So, despite all the shit Bioware endured over those years, they released a game I very much enjoy. I have it now... and no one can take it away from me. I can't blame Bioware for being tired of the fan abuse they take, but I do hope they overcome it one more time even though those same "fans" are already working hard to prevent the release of another ME game... some things never change. I want Bioware to know that I, for one, will be waiting with excited anticipation for the next installment to Ryder's story. You're not perfect, Bioware; but IMO, you're damn good at what you do. Your enjoyment of the game has nothing to do with what I said. That Andromeda failed to meet expectations from the general fanbase, critics and most importantly, EA's, it doesn't mean the game can't be enjoyed. Mass Effect being put on ice is not because some people wanted it to fail, but because the game wasn't good enough. It's simple, really. That choice wasn't made by Bioware because they were tired, because by EA because they thought it was the best thing to do. I don't care if it has anything to do with what you said any more than you care about what you say having to do with anything I say. I don't blame Bioware for being tired of the shit they've taken from the fans over the years. Their being tired is purely understandable under the circumstances... so yeah, I think they put it on ice (if it is indeed on ice) because they are in desperate need of a break from the likes of you. I'll still wait... with excited anticipation for them to recover their energy... whatever it takes. In the meantime, I have a game that I enjoy... It's called Mass Effect: Andromeda. You, on the other hand, have nothing to look forward to but another 5 years of running this company down on the internet. Good luck with that.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jun 23, 2017 19:27:00 GMT
Is this really the argument against it? It had multiple edits? Anyway, if MEA has more than 1 singleplayer DLC, then you're right. But it won't. I don't care for the edits, but it contradicts itself. Why say the franchise is on ice but then say EA was happy with it and still has strong expectations for the franchise? Either the article is there for attention(click bait), or EA is lieing. Kind of why I've said they need to give an official statement or this just keeps getting brought up. Go back to developers tweet about Andromeda. See if anyone mentions the game being a mess or the troubled development it had. You will certainly find none. You will find however many saying the game is fine and you should just wait to see it for yourself. So yes, EA would lie about this. Just like Bioware did. I do believe they do have expectations for Mass Effect, but right now they aren't development anything.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jun 23, 2017 19:27:55 GMT
Is this really the argument against it? It had multiple edits? Anyway, if MEA has more than 1 singleplayer DLC, then you're right. But it won't. I don't care for the edits, but it contradicts itself. Why say the franchise is on ice but then say EA was happy with it and still has strong expectations for the franchise? Either the article is there for attention(click bait), or EA is lieing. Kind of why I've said they need to give an official statement or this just keeps getting brought up. It'll get brought up anyway. Any time Bioware or EA say anything there's always a group that says "PR speak" and discounts it completely. The last word from EA is they're happy with how Bioware is handling the Mass Effect franchise. That's all that really needs to be said until they're ready to announce anything specific.
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