I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda"

He doesn't deny trans people their existence nor is he hateful. Nor am I hateful. It doesn't seem you're very familiar with what he says. I'd be more than happy to further discuss this topic in the more-appropriate Politics thread if you want. If you don't want, I also understand. 

Object to a romance novel placing a Nazi commandant as the hero? SJW.

No, that is not hyperbole.

Yep! Exactly. They saw it as Ryder just asking a question and this was the perfect reply. That's where they went wrong, but to them it seems common to just say it, which it's not, and I think maybe Krem being open about it with the Inquisitor might have misled them? Maybe? Not sure.

Ok, so I joined BSN late Friday, when this topic only had 2 pages. Profile didn't get approved until today

I'm going to try answering the original post the best I can, though I know that such an opinion will not be appreciated here. It's unfortunate that just as with the official Bioware forums when they existed, people who are incapable of tolerating a viewpoint different from theirs will end up derailing the discussion and with the moderators' complicity (not sanctioning off-topic posts, for example), will succeed in closing the topic (a mod will come along soon and say something along the lines of, "This topic has run its course," and close the topic).

Why do people say Andromeda is SJW propaganda? Because SJW believe that whites and white males in particular, oppress females and minorities, and it's clear that the writers wanted to create a world in which not only would women and minorities be equals to whites and males, but they would surpass them. It's a sort of feminist-SJW wet dream, a world in which roles have been reversed, where the females dominate and the males are left to pick up the scraps or in subordinate roles. SJWs are against the perceived "objectification" of women, and the lack of attractive females showed their desire to avoid doing that.

Here are some of the biggest points I noticed:
1) Women generally occupy higher or more important positions than males
Bioware tried to have gender parity in just about everything, in particular, in positions of leadership. Yet when you analyze the roles, you realize that males have smaller roles or weaker ones and that all of the most important roles go to females. Tann was just 8th in line. Tarin Kandros was just a replacement for Sloane Kelly. Both Jien Garson and the benefactor, two characters without which the Initiative would not have existed, are females.

While it's possible to have a male Salarian pathfinder, I've read that his role is much less developed and important than if you keep Raeka. Then they shoehorned a half-assed explanation as to why there are so many female Krogans in this game after having showed only ONE female Krogan in the first 3 games... and gave these female Krogans the highest positions possible (Kesh and Nakmor Morda). It was also impossible to choose between Morda and her male adversary.

And some of these women seemed to be deified. Jien Garson, for having lauched the initiative. And Moshae Sjefa, who is a sort of goddess for her people. Females are also frequently glorified (Drack frequently praises Kesh and even Morda), Cora idolizes Sarissa, yet no one glorifies any males in this game (except you if you choose Scott, in which case, you are glorified).

2) Most subordinate roles go to men
The gouvernor of Aya? A female. Her secretaries/receptionists? Two males. The Nexus ambassador on Aya? A female. Her secretary? A male. Addison's secretary? a male. That doctor in the hospital on Aya for that mission with the Krogan and his angara lover? A female. The receptionist in the hospital? A male. It seems that all roles that traditionally are occupied by females in our modern societies (secretaries, receptionists, etc.) went to males in Andromeda, all being subordinate to females.

In terms of a female being subordinate to a male, you had Tann's secretary, maybe that female Apex agent near Kandros who had the same lines the whole game. And if your pathfinder was Sarah, that's pretty much it. It was as if they really didn't want to show females being subordinate to males.

3) Parity, parity, parity! Obsessive parity!
I would say around 80 to 90% of NPCs talking to each other were composed of ONE female and ONE male. As if having two males talking to each other or two females would be sexist. I can't be the only one who noticed it! Everytime you came across NPCs talking to each other, you'd almost always have it be one female talking to one male. It was so forced.

Two males talking to each other? Let's see. Vorn talking to the guy next to him on Neo-Tuchanka after you rescue him. Those male Angara when you first arrive on Voeld and who are preparing for their mission. The two male secretaries in the embassy on Aya. I don't remember any else.

Two females talking to each other? That female Angara and that human female on Podromos (I believe near Hainley) who often talk about events like when you find out about the Jardaan. Otherwise, I don't think there were any.

Parity in terms of NPCs you would meet - one woman would always replace one male or vice versa, or one female would complement one male in a given area or in a given role. On Elaadan, Annea the water trader is female. If you get rid of her, she is replaced by a male from the Initiative. Raeka is female. If she dies, she is replaced by a male. You can either keep Sloane Kelly or choose Reyes. The bartender in Kralla's Song is female. The bartender in the the Kadara slum bar is male. The sellers on the Nexus respect parity ostensibly. On both sides of the tram entrance, you have one female seller and one male seller. In the Vortex, you have one male bartender, one female bartender.

And these are just some examples! Parity was everywhere, it felt so forced! As if not having parity somewhere meant sexism! Men are not allowed to be amongst themselves? Women are not allowed to be amongst themselves? It was so laughable and ridiculous.

4) Ugly females and deletion of sexy dancers
SJWs believe that good-looking women are there only to titillate male perverts or to please men. So they made most women unattractive on purpose. Say what you want, there is no denying that they made Sarah uglier than the model they based her on. When you look at Scott, he looks exactly like his model. I even read that the model they based Sarah on was disappointed that Sarah looked so "different" from her. So there's really no explanation besides making her less attractive intentionally.

An interesting read about the instructions artists had to follow (last three paragraphs): techraptor.net/content/report-bioware-outsourced-mass-effect-andromeda-facial-animations

All Asaris have nearly the same generic face, except for PeeBee, who at times resembles Shrek's bastard child. And then none of the females were particularly good-looking. Mostly just homely looking. Granted, the same can be said for the males, none of which were particularly attractive either. But at least Scott looked like his model.

Then they got rid of all dancers in the Vortex (compared to past clubs in ME), replacing them with slam poetry or other family-friendly unoffensive things. And the dancers in the Kadara slum do not dance provocatively.

5) A disproportionate effort placed on "diversity"
SJWs believe whites oppress minorities. Whites were strangely absent in this game. People argue that it's because today, africans and asians are poised to dominate the world and that whites are becoming a minority on the global level. While that may be true, Bioware has never tried to reflect that in their past games, obsessively focusing on the anglo-world (Canada, the US, the UK), which in the future, will likely weigh less on the global scale than they do now.

I always just use the default character when possible, so I didn't try, but it's apparently extremely difficult to create a good-looking custom white character. And apparently, most presets are for darker-toned skintypes, as if they wanted to force you to play as another race if you wanted a custom character. (the link above to the techraptor article also has a word on this)

In terms of sexuality, Bioware caving in and making Jaal bi shows that they place much too much emphasis on appearing politicially correct. Bastardizing a character just because of popular demand, it's a very dangerous precedent. They would have been better off adding to Gil and Reye's romances for Scott.


All in all, there were many things that seemed to advocate a SJW agenda. Forced parity everywhere, a ostensible desire to portray the Andromeda universe as being dominated and led by females, forced diversity, all references to sex removed outside of romances (no more dancers, etc.). So while many here on this board, who we all understand are mainly from the liberal crowd, may not have issues with the points presented above, you should at least understand and tolerate why people see a SJW agenda being pushed with this game.

I keep buying these games because they're the only ones with lots of dialogue and with a rich world, making it seem like an interactive book of sorts. I've learned to stomach the SJW aspects of Bioware games but it's only a matter of time before I won't be able to stomach it anymore.

I really just couldn't believe in what I just read, LOL. Complaining that most of the women in Mass Effect (or even Bioware games) aren't beautiful, I stopped reading at that point.

"Whites were strangely absent in this game"

There is nothing to suggest that the Benefactor is female. Sure when talking to Alec there is a female voice but considering the fact the image is cycling through various sexes and species rather than showing their actual faceit is almost certain that the voice heard wasn't the Benefactor's actual voice either.
Personally I think it would be really neat if the Benefactor was actually a group of people operating under that alias, sort of like the Illuminati in the Deus Ex franchise. 

@neongummybear

You've clearly put a lot of thought into this so thanks for coming in to tell us your viewpoint.

You say that there are more females than males in positions of power, and that this is deliberate sexism against males? Don't you think that's jumping to conclusions?

Otherwise wouldn't all of the many games out there with vastly more male than female authority figures automatically be sexist against women?

We can't read the developers minds so we can't assume their intentions like this!

That pretty much sums it up.

Ooooo a new victim. Someone not versed in the politics of the BSN. Should we school him/her?! 😂 I'm just kidding but this place is interesting.