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Post by cooldude on Jun 27, 2017 4:23:34 GMT
The whole thing with the SJW stuff mainly had to do with two developers that openly hated white people and men. I can't blame people for that, because it only takes one bad experience with a place of business, to completely turn a customer off from that business. Is everyone in Bioware Montreal a racist and sexist? Most likely not, but that doesn't change the reality that what a single person working for them does and says out in the open can reflect very badly on the company they work for. Businesses know this, and that is why these people get canned, by the damage is already done.
Then you have the people who do not see any asari strippers, and make a baseless assumption that the game is a " sjw conspiracy". They would have a point, if, anywhere in the game, we found ourselves in a place of depravity and lawlessness, such as Omega, or the under-city in the citadel, which we don't, so placing strippers would do nothing for the atmosphere or story.
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Post by The Joe-Man on Jun 27, 2017 4:30:01 GMT
SJW? Nope don't see it! Give your head a shake people. It's one thing to say that you don't care if it's there or even that you want it there. But to say you don't see it?!?! This is why people can't have honest conversations anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2017 4:37:12 GMT
SJW? Nope don't see it! Give your head a shake people. It's one thing to say that you don't care if it's there or even that you want it there. But to say you don't see it?!?! This is why people can't have honest conversations anymore. Anymore? You mean dishonesty didn't exist before, lol? Seriously, it's easy for me to see, and I haven't even played the game.
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Post by warrior on Jun 27, 2017 4:48:23 GMT
How many Manveer Heir references does it take to get to the center of the thread, the void from which no light escapes.
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Post by isaidlunch on Jun 27, 2017 4:52:46 GMT
I'm still not sure if Gil was a genuine attempt at inclusiveness or the result of a homophobic writer trolling the players.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jun 27, 2017 5:18:18 GMT
How many Manveer Heir references does it take to get to the center of the thread, the void from which no light escapes. 3, according to the highly educated owl.
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Post by vonuber on Jun 27, 2017 8:26:01 GMT
Ok, so I joined BSN late Friday, when this topic only had 2 pages. Profile didn't get approved until today I wouldn't have bothered if i were you, after that post.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jun 27, 2017 8:57:01 GMT
Ok, so I joined BSN late Friday, when this topic only had 2 pages. Profile didn't get approved until today * stuff * I keep buying these games because they're the only ones with lots of dialogue and with a rich world, making it seem like an interactive book of sorts. I've learned to stomach the SJW aspects of Bioware games but it's only a matter of time before I won't be able to stomach it anymore. Welcome to the forum. Disagree with most of what you said, but it was well articulated, thanks for contributing to the discussion.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 27, 2017 9:20:25 GMT
I've seen the term "SJW" misused so many times that any time someone does so unironically, it basically destroys that person's credibility for me.
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Post by abaris on Jun 27, 2017 9:32:54 GMT
I'm still not sure if Gil was a genuine attempt at inclusiveness or the result of a homophobic writer trolling the players. Gil is basically a checklist to be ticked off in my opinion. Gay, female best friend, wanting to be a parent, becoming a parent with female best friend. In short, gay cardboard. I'm not gay, bit when I first played the game I was dismayed by how he turned out to be. I felt him to be an insult to the LGBT community. I would be interested in how LGBT people reacted to Gil's presentation.
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Post by SweShadow on Jun 27, 2017 10:03:11 GMT
I agree with OT. I really don't see it. At least not in any sense that would be compromising the games quality. Someone earlier mentioned YouTube being infested with people accusing MEA for being ultra SJW and after seeing some amateur reviews and comments there, it really leaves me with the question what the hell is wrong with people? Some people really live in some kind of backwards driven hate. The game allowed you to go different paths.. so you don't have to be either the one or the other of any sexual orientation, race and what not. If you choose the one path you don't have to bothered by other if you don't want and I thing MEA managed that well. But the question about the looks of different characters is the game makers choice. If anyone doesn't like it. They don't have to play the game.
What really concerns me is when people accuse the game being bad because of SJW-content, when I don't find that as the problem... but the general poor writing, animation and presentation in many instances is a TOTALY different matter though.
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Post by abaris on Jun 27, 2017 10:41:24 GMT
Someone earlier mentioned YouTube being infested with people accusing MEA for being ultra SJW and after seeing some amateur reviews and comments there, it really leaves me with the question what the hell is wrong with people? Look at the rest of the videos these guys posted. They're stewing in their hatred for "the other". It's not about the game, as you can see in politics on a daily basis. Social hatred for everything that isn't perfectly in line with their own perception, Islamophobes, Homophobes, Xenophobes. They only project their general hatred on the game, fueled by the fact that they finally get some clicks when they slap the label Mass Effect on their otherwise hardly watched videos.
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Post by cooldude on Jun 27, 2017 11:26:09 GMT
I see what people are talking about, but I think it's hyperbole. An SJW would have an aneurysm once they saw how nice Cora's ass looked in her armor or how flirty and sexual Peebee was towards Ryder. I also doubt we would see much flirting or romance at all, since most SJWS o act sexually frustrated, and hate the idea of anyone having sex.
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Baghdad Bob: "There is no SJW in MEA!" Edit: Someone generate a meme with Baghad Bob pictured on it.
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Post by darkway1 on Jun 27, 2017 13:44:44 GMT
In context of Andromea or any entertainment platform,the SJW mentality it's not about pandering to any given social group......it's about making content as universal as possible so it doesn't offend.
The SJW mentality is a double edged sword however,from a creative perspective,the SJW stance tries to enforce fair/honest representation in a non offensive way but adopting this approach limits creative freedom and tends to produce,sterile,plain,generic results.
The SJW effect on Andromdea is plain as day.....there are no fat people,no shapely people,no handicap people,skin colour is just a colour,gay,lesbian or straight is just a label,no anger,no rage,even bad language is used in a casual non aggressive way......it's all shallow and generic.
Sadly the real drive behind the SJW mentality is business,who at the end of the day get a product they can sell to everyone due to it's generic,harmless nature.
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Post by canticleofshartan on Jun 27, 2017 14:05:55 GMT
In context of Andromea or any entertainment platform,the SJW mentality it's not about pandering to any given social group......it's about making content as universal as possible so it doesn't offend. The SJW mentality is a double edged sword however,from a creative perspective,the SJW stance tries to enforce fair/honest representation in a non offensive way but adopting this approach limits creative freedom and tends to produce,sterile,plain,generic results. The SJW effect on Andromdea is plain as day.....there are no fat people,no shapely people,no handicap people,skin colour is just a colour,gay,lesbian or straight is just a label,no anger,no rage,even bad language is used in a casual non aggressive way......it's all shallow and generic. Sadly the real drive behind the SJW mentality is business,who at the end of the day get a product they can sell to everyone due to it's generic,harmless nature. You might be right about some of the representation being "shallow" but if trans and LGBT representation was so common and unremarkable as to be called "generic" then nobody would be singling bioware games out and criticizing it for having them. It'd just be one out of hundreds of other generic games with trans characters, and so nobody would care. The reality is that bioware is one of the very very few game companies that include positive or neutral characters of these types, which is why people do care. And they have a history of inclusivity ranging back to many of their past games. I don't see why this would have only started affecting their games quality now.
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Post by malgus on Jun 27, 2017 14:07:38 GMT
Jim sterling perfectly describes why I can't take the SJW terms seriously anymore :
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Post by warrior on Jun 27, 2017 14:20:18 GMT
Ok, so I joined BSN late Friday, when this topic only had 2 pages. Profile didn't get approved until today I wouldn't have bothered if i were you, after that post. He writes a tome because there are too many women (I'm sorry, "females") in power in his video game, and not enough white people around? L M A O. Apparently he can't enjoy a fantasy space that doesn't perfectly replicate the irl hegemony that favors him. yet SJWs are the only crybabies in gaming who can't handle their shit. Got it. Well, MRActivist, the cool thing for you is that this is a video game you can put down whenever you want: men and white people still run pretty much everything in the western world. You have the power, and there are plenty of games out there to reify that for you. So your 90 hour nightmare is over.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 27, 2017 14:25:25 GMT
In context of Andromea or any entertainment platform,the SJW mentality it's not about pandering to any given social group......it's about making content as universal as possible so it doesn't offend. The SJW mentality is a double edged sword however,from a creative perspective,the SJW stance tries to enforce fair/honest representation in a non offensive way but adopting this approach limits creative freedom and tends to produce,sterile,plain,generic results. The SJW effect on Andromdea is plain as day.....there are no fat people,no shapely people,no handicap people,skin colour is just a colour,gay,lesbian or straight is just a label,no anger,no rage,even bad language is used in a casual non aggressive way......it's all shallow and generic. Sadly the real drive behind the SJW mentality is business,who at the end of the day get a product they can sell to everyone due to it's generic,harmless nature. Lol, so the only way to avoid being "generic" and "shallow" is to be actively offensive? Also, why do I get labelled as an SJW? I constantly offend people all the time, on purpose. And if Andromeda is so "harmless", why are all the straight, white manbabies throwing tantrums about it?
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Post by Archangel on Jun 27, 2017 14:28:43 GMT
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 27, 2017 14:29:22 GMT
SJW? Nope don't see it! Give your head a shake people. It's one thing to say that you don't care if it's there or even that you want it there. But to say you don't see it?!?! This is why people can't have honest conversations anymore. So is the universe sjw every time you walk outside? Because there are all sorts of folks out there. The world is just one giant sjw conspiracy against you.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 27, 2017 14:37:01 GMT
I've seen the term "SJW" misused so many times that any time someone does so unironically, it basically destroys that person's credibility for me. That is because some people's definition of "sjw" is as broad as the pacific ocean. I will probably get called one just for starting this thread and saying I don't see an "sjw conspiracy" in the game. To me an "sjw" is someone that takes it too far like Anita Sarkeesian. To them an "sjw" is anyone that doesn't get triggered over a little variety in the game.
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Post by yeah rip on Jun 27, 2017 14:38:13 GMT
I wouldn't have bothered if i were you, after that post. He writes a because there are too many women (I'm sorry, "females") in power in his video game, and not enough white people around? L M A O. Apparently he can't enjoy a fantasy space that doesn't perfectly replicate the irl hegemony that favors him. yet SJWs are the only crybabies in gaming who can't handle their shit. Got it. Well, MRActivist, the cool thing for you is that this is a video game you can put down whenever you want: men and white people still run pretty much everything in the western world. You have the power, and there are plenty of games out there to reify that for you. So your 90 hour nightmare is over. What's stopping women and non-white people? And why is MRA used as a derogatory here? I don't agree with pretty much anything that guy said, but that's an overreaction. It's just an opinion of one guy and he was perfectly civil about it.
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Post by warrior on Jun 27, 2017 14:42:18 GMT
In context of Andromea or any entertainment platform,the SJW mentality it's not about pandering to any given social group......it's about making content as universal as possible so it doesn't offend. The SJW mentality is a double edged sword however,from a creative perspective,the SJW stance tries to enforce fair/honest representation in a non offensive way but adopting this approach limits creative freedom and tends to produce,sterile,plain,generic results. The SJW effect on Andromdea is plain as day.....there are no fat people,no shapely people,no handicap people,skin colour is just a colour,gay,lesbian or straight is just a label,no anger,no rage,even bad language is used in a casual non aggressive way......it's all shallow and generic. Sadly the real drive behind the SJW mentality is business,who at the end of the day get a product they can sell to everyone due to it's generic,harmless nature. The lack of disabled people in the game is not "SJW"-related. For one, how many video games represent disabled people? I can't think of even one with a disabled person. For two, those who champion inclusion in media typically see disability as part of that. I also don't think those who champion inclusion in media typically approve of whitewashing racial minorities. Though you are correct there, I think: this game includes difference without acknowledging difference, and that is a big problem.. But I think that it is too easy to pin the blandness of this game and its characters on this, or on the fear of offending. Whoever said it reads a little like fanfiction is accurate imo--to me it's just a consequence of mediocre writing, that's all. Writing dialogue in particular is a skill that requires a certain degree of inuitive talent to execute well. And in scripts, character is mostly built and developed in dialogue. Weak dialogue game will lead to weak characters. They just didn't have their best writers on this game. That's how I see it.
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Post by pessimistpanda on Jun 27, 2017 14:44:59 GMT
He writes a because there are too many women (I'm sorry, "females") in power in his video game, and not enough white people around? L M A O. Apparently he can't enjoy a fantasy space that doesn't perfectly replicate the irl hegemony that favors him. yet SJWs are the only crybabies in gaming who can't handle their shit. Got it. Well, MRActivist, the cool thing for you is that this is a video game you can put down whenever you want: men and white people still run pretty much everything in the western world. You have the power, and there are plenty of games out there to reify that for you. So your 90 hour nightmare is over. What's stopping women and non-white people? And why is MRA used as a derogatory here? Localised magical barriers surround every seat of authority in the world. Any woman or minority that tries to approach one just ends up slamming against it repeatedly, like a bird against a windshield. Or, possibly, and this is farfetched, but stay with me. It COULD be that the rich, straight white men who devised and control western political and economic systems use their positions to manipulate the system for their own benefit, to the detriment of other, less-fortunate groups.
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