I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda"

well too bad for you. You don't get to bang a super model with a fantastic butt and lager then averge breast. You get to bang a normal looking woman with a fantastic butt aND larger then averge breast...the horror.

gil never says he is gay once.only if you romance him. And no the character that is about becoming gay dad's and creating family with your gay husband is not anti gay.

Character design and substantial story are also crucial aspects of game writing -- I just focused on the dialogue because it is usually the most important way character is developed in scripted media, and the dialogue in MEA is I think its weakest point in many ways (especially the "downtime" dialogue with squadmates and NPCs). But that still doesn't really explain to me how shallow/generic story and characters = "SJW"? Or how the game's mandatory Paragon PC = "SJW"? 

I guess I've maybe outed myself as one of these mythical creatures in this thread, but... I want stories with substance, uniquely interesting characters, and good acting, just like you, and have spent a lot of posts here bemoaning the light tone of MEA, the constant niceness of Ryder, the lack of any character drama in this game whatsoever. I actually like my media dark dark dark. I have dark!kinks and like fucked up shit. I just don't want the fucked up shit I like to be racist.

And I also want to play ethically complicated characters, like Joel in TLOU, for example, who is a white man. Geralt, a white man in an almost entirely white game, is also kind of complicated, and he's my second favorite PC to play in all the games I've played. I'd rather play either of those than my female Ryder. But I don't want to play white men exclusively, and am glad that gaming is becoming more inclusive of other people, even if they screw up the execution sometimes. (cc SneakyWitchThief: wanting, nay demanding, that gaming developers include other PCs/PC options doesn't mean you don't like to play white male PCs).

To me, this is about including other demos in gaming, and the vocal resistance to that from many who are used to being the default. To others, this is about not offending snowflakes, or w/e you think of those people who want to be included thoughtfully and respectfully in gaming. That a white male poster can come in here and be praised -- even by mods and women -- for how "respectfully" he articulates his own misogyny and racism is... revealing. Not enough white people in my game? Too many women running things? Really, that's a cool thing for other people to say around you, as long as they're articulate?

Okay then, fun times. But nothing we're not used to, I guess. 

dude, that not a statement of being gay. Sorry but he never says he is gay. Hell, for all we know he could be asexual.

Suvi, the pilot, is a deeply religious christian and nothing you do in the game can dissuade her from beliving God created everything. thats pretty conservative minded, more than most videogame characters ever show

FTFY

First, name one game featuring attractive character presets. Male or female.

Secondly, why should an ingame character alienate decent hetero-males, as you put it? Apart from the fact that there are quite many attractive females in this games. Within the limitations of the game's design. Cora, Peebie, the cloned Asaris and many standins on the nexus. Sloane isn't too bad either

.........and again,I'm lost.....gay gamers are offended because of what??

I'm not talking about the presets. I'm talking about romanceable NPCs.

But, we disagree about the attractiveness, generally. I believe that empirically, the characters are not all that attractive.

But that's fine. We disagree. That's the other point I'm trying to make. Why is disagreement cause for snark?

To your other point, I think MEA did alienate many males. The message we get is "Your desires are wrong. We will fix them for you."

If this isn't the message you get, cool. Disagreement is fine. But at least try to at least see my point of view. That's what responsible discourse is all about.

Because Kaidan was a squadmate and thus got unique art assets.

Meanwhile in MEA gay men got the Steve Cortez treatment and got a bunch of ugly character customisation monstrosities, like Gil the brown guy with orange rust hair and a bald spot in his chin stubble.