I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda"

Actually I prefer the gal (Shani) from Hearts of Stone over both; too bad there is no option for a long term relationship with her.

Did you just turn it into a verb?

Beauty is empirically measurable. Some things are culture bound, true. But symmetry cuts across all cultures.

PeeBee's Shrek-face is symmetrically off. Likewise Cora's squareness and extreme hair.

Character design and substantial story are also crucial aspects of game writing -- I just focused on the dialogue because it is usually the most important way character is developed in scripted media, and the dialogue in MEA is I think its weakest point in many ways (especially the "downtime" dialogue with squadmates and NPCs). But that still doesn't really explain to me how shallow/generic story and characters = "SJW"? Or how the game's mandatory Paragon PC = "SJW"? 

I guess I've maybe outed myself as one of these mythical creatures in this thread, but... I want stories with substance, uniquely interesting characters, and good acting, just like you, and have spent a lot of posts here bemoaning the light tone of MEA, the constant niceness of Ryder, the lack of any character drama in this game whatsoever. I actually like my media dark dark dark. I have dark!kinks and like fucked up shit. I just don't want the fucked up shit I like to be racist.

And I also want to play ethically complicated characters, like Joel in TLOU, for example, who is a white man. Geralt, a white man in an almost entirely white game, is also kind of complicated, and he's my second favorite PC to play in all the games I've played. I'd rather play either of those than my female Ryder. But I don't want to play white men exclusively, and am glad that gaming is becoming more inclusive of other people, even if they screw up the execution sometimes. (cc SneakyWitchThief: wanting, nay demanding, that gaming developers include other PCs/PC options doesn't mean you don't like to play white male PCs).

To me, this is about including other demos in gaming, and the vocal resistance to that from many who are used to being the default. To others, this is about not offending snowflakes, or w/e you think of those people who want to be included thoughtfully and respectfully in gaming. That a white male poster can come in here and be praised -- even by mods and women -- for how "respectfully" he articulates his own misogyny and racism is... revealing. Not enough white people in my game? Too many women running things? Really, that's a cool thing for other people to say around you, as long as they're articulate?

Okay then, fun times. But nothing we're not used to, I guess. 

Beauty is empirically measurable. Some things are culture bound, true. But symmetry cuts across all cultures.

PeeBee's Shrek-face is symmetrically off. Likewise Cora's squareness and extreme hair.

Both default Ryders are average to above-average in looks, depending on one's personal tastes and preferences.

Man, you are so going to jinx it...

So no sources..?

With a female character you get the "I'm gay" in the first conversation if you choose a certain reply that isn't even marked as being flirty.

Edit: I'm sure if you use the same line with a male character, you will get that reply also. Maybe a different line, but certainly equally hamfisted.

Second edit. Found a vid showing his reaction to Scott.

It's an important topic, and we should be discussing it, respectfully. 

The future of gaming is being decided by the kind of discussions we have now.

Personally, my greatest wish is that we all find what we are looking for in games. I wonder if that is possible in a single game.

Do women need their own AAA studio?

I am pretty moderate and middle of the road when it comes to this kind of stuff (which of course means both sides won't like me very much).  I will say this when it comes to games in general and especially rpgs the more options the better.  People should be able to role play the kind of the character they want and one they can relate to.  It hurts nobody to have more pliable optional content in the game.

My main motivation for starting this thread was to rant about what I see as a lot of hyperbole and largely baseless accusations being thrown at this game because there are people that are just looking for an excuse to hate the game and the developer so of course they boogeymen within the game that don't actually exist.