I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda"

I will say one more thing against my better judgment, Quiggles, because it's bothering me:

if certain people hadn't majored in such a financially risky field as theatre, do you think you would have a job working on film and tv sets? What if all the actors who went to drama schools and the writers who specialized in screenwriting hadn't done that? They might still produce -- but far, far more slowly -- and many would not do it at all, because it is very, very hard to consistently produce or train (not to mention audition) in one of these artforms while working 40 hrs/week doing something else, especially if that position is salaried and so requires you to take work home or stay late.

A healthy society with a dynamic, thriving culture worth living in needs all kinds of people contributing to it -- there is symbiosis -- your more practical job working tech on tv & movie sets fundamentally depends on people who did not choose a financially 'safe' path for their lives. Otherwise your job would not even exist, or there would be fewer opportunities for it (working newsrooms, for ex), and maybe you wouldn't have been hired over someone else.

Maybe people shouldn't major in these things just for the shit of it, because without passion and dedication (+ lots of luck, or independent wealth) you won't make it in these increasingly competitive arts fields, at least not in the US system. While majoring in philosophy does have value -- and may have in fact given you some of the skills that helped you succeed -- it's probably not a super great idea to major in philosophy if you don't want to be a philosopher/philo professor at a university, or do not have the mind to make it far enough in that highly competitive arena (I mean no disrespect by that--just that philo is like mathematics, not everyone can do it professionally). But if everyone followed this advice because doing otherwise is ignorant or stupid, where would we be?

Fair enough -- I'm not so presumptuous to school you on your own field. I just lived in LA for awhile and know people from the USC program as well as people with related degrees (such as MFAs in fiction writing) who have moved there for screenwriting, etc. I know MFAs in fiction who want to write for games, too. So I am thinking of them when I write this -- people I know personally who majored in theatre arts, visual arts, and literary arts who are attempting to enter either the televisual and gaming industries as writers or designers, depending... I don't know any actors, though. Just extras.  

Well, there is the person who tries to make it "on their art" form of choice, who isn't likely to succeed unless they are blessed by god and probably needs to figure something out, and then there is the person in the arts field who attempts to find work within the parameters of that field instead of doing something completely unrelated. In many arts and humanities fields -- fields deemed "useless" by the market -- the goal is to get work teaching because the production of art is built into the job itself. But teaching jobs that once were plentiful are now scarce. It's kind of a mess. And, in my field, when I started on my path, there were many more uni jobs, and the promise of jobs if you achieved X, Y, Z. Now it is not ever enough; the goalposts keep changing every time I achieve one. And anytime a uni cuts the budget, "useless" fields like the arts and humanities -- less profitable ones for the uni -- are the first to go. I know I am talented at what I do -- and have recognition in my field for that -- but the opportunities that were available to someone like me ten years ago are no longer here. Personally, I am not trying to live (or starve) as an artist, I just want the kind of paid work that allows me to succeed in both endeavors without developing a cocaine habit.


Okay, as I said I meant no disrespect, I didn't even mean that you couldn't do it personally -- only that not everyone is like the Next [Insert Famous Contemporary Philosopher I dunno like Noam Chomsky or something] and not everyone has both the stamina and chops to make it in philosophy academia, and those people probably shouldn't major in philosophy. So, basically conceding that people should know their own limitations, and make decisions based on that. For example, I do know people who have majored in philosophy who aren't quite "on the level" and they probably shouldn't have done that. Not saying that you couldn't do it if that's what you really wanted to do, because I don't know you.

I would agree with this if FT jobs themselves -- especially the salaried ones that truly pay enough to buy a house, car, start a family, and include medical and retirement -- weren't so ridiculously demanding, mentally speaking. I'm working about 40 hours right now doing contractual work at home, and let's just say that I am just tired right now. I should work "after work" -- I should be working instead of typing this, and probably will go try -- but I'm not sure my brain is up for that. When I was working half the hours as a graduate student, I was able to do both things -- the money-making things and the actually fulfilling things -- but FT work is exhausting, and what I am doing is not even that demanding in and of itself. If I were working in a salaried position instead of a freelancing one (say, commuting to an office and possibly staying late to get projects done), I just don't see how I could succeed at both endeavors at the same time. I feel like I would go in dedicated, but there are only so many days you can wake up at 5am to work on your art, or stay up until 2am to work, without burning out. Maybe I need to do something with my hands that doesn't require me to think...

I'm not starving, but I could be, if I hit some bad luck.

So damn close to 25 pages...

It's so close. I never imagined this thread would last this long, I'd hate to se it stop before 25 at least.

Kinda tempted to start posting harmless gifs to make sure it gets to 25 but I don't want to step on Faceman's MO.

It's so close. I never imagined this thread would last this long, I'd hate to se it stop before 25 at least.

Kinda tempted to start posting harmless gifs to make sure it gets to 25 but I don't want to step on Faceman's MO.

I guess the rant had to happen.   The anti sjw cult needed to be called out.  They are just as bad as the people they complain about and they don't see it.  I am just so sick of their damn hyperbole where everything is sjw to them.  They think everything is sexist and racist against them and they sound just like Anita.  First they accused the entirety of DAI as being SJW even though the dialogs with Krem about gender can be completely bypassed and skipped and Dorian's quest is about 5 minutes long at max (if even that), and that is a 100 hour game.  Last I checked I spent most of my time in DAI running around the wilderness killing crap and building up the Inquisition.  Not exactly the lgbtq dating simulator they claim it is.  Then they got even more ridiculous with MEA claiming default Sara was an SJW conspiracy because they didn't like how she looked.  Well guess she isn't bad looking at all. In fact she is quite cute.  So what have they got next?  Well apparently  the cc is an sjw conspiracy because they claim you can't make a white Ryder well guess what all of my Ryders have been pretty pasty (not to mention both of the default twins and default Alec are white), so what's next?  Hainley Abrams? Another case of easy to miss dialog.  Oh and of course the biggest sjw culprit of them all.  Cora's haircut.  It's fucking hair you nimrods get over it, it is not a conspiracy against you.  Also no MEA is not an sjw lgbtq dating simulator.  In MEA I spend most of what is another 100 hour game driving around the nomad shooting alien crap and getting resources for the initiative.  Not a dating simulator lbgtq or otherwise.  I can't even pretend to respect these dummies most of them have probably never been outside of whatever one streetlight and stop sign town they live in and they live in a warped reality of delusional paranoia where every thing is out to get them.  Every time I see one of them claiming a bioware game is sjw propoganda I am going to call them out on their bullshit and I won't be nice about it.  The only real complaint they have that has any validity would be about Manveer Heir and he doesn't even work for bioware any more.  I am done with these idiots. 

Sorry I know I quoted you but my post which turned into another rant is not even directed toward you.

Good gods, I had flashbacks to Mod02 for a minute there. Wait, no...not Mod02. Dammit, who was the BSN mod who did that? He was before they gave the mods numbers as identifiers.

Stanley! Yes!

He got on to me once as well. Didn't ban me but sent me a PM telling me to tone it down.

Man, that dude didn't get the credit he deserved for trying to wrangle that herd of cats that was the OG BSN.

I remember Priestly threatened me with a permaban back in 2013 during the height of the ME 3 ending wars if I didn't tone it down.  I guess it is good that they shut down the old bsn I can only imagine the carnage that would be taking place there right now.

Brah.. what old BSN? We are all here, look around. I'm from the old BSN, you're from the old BSN.