I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda"

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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 7:08:32 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 6:32:50 GMT dmc1001 said:

Jun 30, 2017 6:27:23 GMT xujparisipc said:

Sorry warrrior. I'm a bit more on the left than on the right side of politics. But in here I was labeled many times as ultra right and treated that way. Why? Because someone decided that anyone who i a bit more to right from their views are always ultra right. And apparently SJW term used only by ultra right and hating people. Yeah if you have another opinion you are automatically a hater. That is typical SJW response.
And reality is that SJW is a term for all irrational clowns who deny facts or lack of them just to push their "progressive" values, which actually at least 100 years old and already proved as failing over the history.

Actually agree. Got called a white supremacist for disagreeing about adding black and brown stripes to the gay pride flag. So while I stated some ideas above, I think what's actually SJW is the extreme left rather than people who are progressive.

Those aren't..."SJW." Do you agree with mordivier below, who thinks that "SJWs" introducing LGBTQ into MEA = the equivalent of promoting incest and bestiality? ::

there have been minority elements of society that engage in deviant behavior, yes...much like incest and beastiality. They do it regardless of what YOU would think of them as well. If you support such things then why don't you go protest to the media that they get their due representation as well if your cause was so righteous?

I would think not. That alone shows you the agenda. Its societal and they are injecting into the gaming mediums and movies and TV shows to try to convince other people that it is an acceptable way of life. Well, if your going to say LGBTQ is acceptable then your going to have to say the rest is acceptable as well.

This is what it means to represent as "anti-SJW" on the internet: trolling or not, this statement is as revealing as it gets.

It sounds like the discussion you were having got heated because intersectionality can be complicated. I don't know your reasoning for opposing the stripes, but unless your reasoning for not adding black and brown stripes in the flag is something as disgusting as mordivier's for not including LGBTQ in MEA...I think you just have to shrug it off, especially if it was a black or brown person who said it to you. I mean, I wasn't there, but. Sometimes people get heated, and sometimes people are just having a bad day... in the end, unless you're actually as racist as mordivier is homophobic, you're on the same side of things and not every discussion is going to be as civil as is ideal. I think what you're maybe actually agreeing with -- if you think about it, past the hurt you felt -- is that sometimes human beings get upset with you during an argument, and you feel that their level of anger is unfair, or things are said that maybe could have been said more articulately if people weren't so charged. There is an extreme left -- antifa, for ex -- but wanting to include black and brown stripes in the pride flag isn't "extreme leftism," just as much as not wanting to include them isn't "extreme rightism."

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 7:16:44 GMT

Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 7:16:44 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 6:58:37 GMT xujparisipc said:

Jun 30, 2017 6:42:12 GMT warrior said:

I'm sorry, you're just really smart and I'm really stupid.
I'm an idiot suffering from the Dunning-Kruger effect and have spent most of my time in useless studies that will never make me normal income.
In fact I'm too stupid to respond to you with words so here's a couple pictures.

I know, "All or nothing girl". It's much easier to do your all or nothing thing by hyperbolising my thoughts to extreme so you could sarcastically label me as ultra right and then it's easy isn't it?

I don't know if you're ultra right or what. I don't know what you are IRL.
I'm sarcastically labeling you a Troll who isn't worth engaging in substantial conversation.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 7:36:36 GMT

Post by xujparisipc on Jun 30, 2017 7:36:36 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 7:16:44 GMT warrior said:

Jun 30, 2017 6:58:37 GMT xujparisipc said:

I know, "All or nothing girl". It's much easier to do your all or nothing thing by hyperbolising my thoughts to extreme so you could sarcastically label me as ultra right and then it's easy isn't it?

I don't know if you're ultra right or what. I don't know what you are IRL.
I'm sarcastically labeling you a Troll who isn't worth engaging in substantial conversation.

Yes, I know. That is what I'm saying. And that backfires:

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is now usually understood as a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 7:37:41 GMT

Post by abaris on Jun 30, 2017 7:37:41 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 7:08:32 GMT warrior said:

Those aren't..."SJW." Do you agree with mordivier below, who thinks that "SJWs" introducing LGBTQ into MEA = the equivalent of promoting incest and bestiality? ::

there have been minority elements of society that engage in deviant behavior, yes...much like incest and beastiality. They do it regardless of what YOU would think of them as well. If you support such things then why don't you go protest to the media that they get their due representation as well if your cause was so righteous?

I would think not. That alone shows you the agenda. Its societal and they are injecting into the gaming mediums and movies and TV shows to try to convince other people that it is an acceptable way of life. Well, if your going to say LGBTQ is acceptable then your going to have to say the rest is acceptable as well.

I'm glad I haven't seen this statement when it was made. That could have easily turned really ugly, if I had seen it.

But actually it's one of the standard talking points of the extreme religious right. Being gay or transgender automatically either leads to incest or bestiality or at least is on the same lines. Sometimes they add pedophilia for good measure. Gives you a good impression on how they don't even bother to educate themselves on the people they're talking about, let alone meet them in real life.

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Jun 30, 2017 6:38:38 GMT mordivier said:

Jun 30, 2017 2:36:53 GMT @pasquale said:

Actually, it's representation, not an agenda. It takes no more effort to write an NPC whose backstory involves LGBTQ status than it does to write characters with any other backstory - and there are several NPCs in the game with backstories you can talk with them about.

You're not given options to criticize characters for their sexuality or orientation for the same reasons that you can't criticize them about other personal characteristics like hair color, eye color, age, voice, taste in clothing, etc. They are who they are.

Yes, it would be an agenda to deliver a specific message.

Nonsense. Both of them resemble their models to roughly the same degree.

The characters in MEA are no more or less attractive than they have been in any other BioWare game. They may be less sexualized.

LGBTQ people have always existed and will always exist, regardless of what you or anyone else thinks about them.

Representation is simply that - seeing yourself (other people like you) in media.

The representation of an extreme minority of the populace IS an agenda. You don't see them "representing" incestuous coupling. You don't see them "representing" beastiality. They exist. They don't represent them because they are a societal taboo.

The "sexualization" of the characters is a moot point if it were based on a single character alone, but the "de-sexualizing" started with DAI. There are multiple instances of it in MEA.

Yeah, there have been minority elements of society that engage in deviant behavior, yes...much like incest and beastiality. They do it regardless of what YOU would think of them as well. If you support such things then why don't you go protest to the media that they get their due representation as well if your cause was so righteous?

I would think not. That alone shows you the agenda. Its societal and they are injecting into the gaming mediums and movies and TV shows to try to convince other people that it is an acceptable way of life. Well, if your going to say LGBTQ is acceptable then your going to have to say the rest is acceptable as well. If you don't, then your standard is inherently biased and is based on identity politics and liberal/progressive agenda/propaganda...which is based on other things as well, such as defiance of Yahweh's Laws in the scriptures.

If you cannot see the hypocrisy of that then there isn't really that much else to be said.

Wow - I guess you really did go there.

Bestiality and pedophilia are easily dismissed, since they don't involve loving relationships between consenting adults.

Incestuous relationships are taboo for a couple of primary reasons: exploitative power imbalances and genetic consequences for offspring. Anyone inclined toward intimacy with a blood relative could just as easily find a suitable unrelated partner.

Religious texts have no bearing on any of it.

Personally, I'm not interested in porn in any form, and would prefer the games didn't have sex scenes at all. I do, however, enjoy the opportunity to role-play a romance for my character.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 7:40:17 GMT

Post by mordivier on Jun 30, 2017 7:40:17 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 7:08:32 GMT warrior said:

Jun 30, 2017 6:32:50 GMT dmc1001 said:

Actually agree. Got called a white supremacist for disagreeing about adding black and brown stripes to the gay pride flag. So while I stated some ideas above, I think what's actually SJW is the extreme left rather than people who are progressive.

Those aren't..."SJW." Do you agree with mordivier below, who thinks that "SJWs" introducing LGBTQ into MEA = the equivalent of promoting incest and bestiality? ::

there have been minority elements of society that engage in deviant behavior, yes...much like incest and beastiality. They do it regardless of what YOU would think of them as well. If you support such things then why don't you go protest to the media that they get their due representation as well if your cause was so righteous?

I would think not. That alone shows you the agenda. Its societal and they are injecting into the gaming mediums and movies and TV shows to try to convince other people that it is an acceptable way of life. Well, if your going to say LGBTQ is acceptable then your going to have to say the rest is acceptable as well.

This is what it means to represent as "anti-SJW" on the internet: trolling or not, this statement is as revealing as it gets.

It sounds like the discussion you were having got heated because intersectionality can be complicated. I don't know your reasoning for opposing the stripes, but unless your reasoning for not adding black and brown stripes in the flag is something as disgusting as mordivier's for not including LGBTQ in MEA...I think you just have to shrug it off, especially if it was a black or brown person who said it to you. I mean, I wasn't there, but. Sometimes people get heated, and sometimes people are just having a bad day... in the end, unless you're actually as racist as mordivier is homophobic, you're on the same side of things and not every discussion is going to be as civil as is ideal. I think what you're maybe actually agreeing with -- if you think about it, past the hurt you felt -- is that sometimes human beings get upset with you during an argument, and you feel that their level of anger is unfair, or things are said that maybe could have been said more articulately if people weren't so charged. There is an extreme left -- antifa, for ex -- but wanting to include black and brown stripes in the pride flag isn't "extreme leftism," just as much as not wanting to include them isn't "extreme rightism."

OMG why am I still here // this is why I cannot go in the politics thread ever. I can't shut up. Is there a way to block threads?

Oh, dear, the common "apples to oranges" refutation.

The context of the argument is that a normal, straight marriage between a man and a woman is the baseline. That is why it is called "straight", as in reference to the straight and narrow from the Messiah in the Gospel accounts. That is why LGBTQ call themselves "LGBTQ" because because they are deviating from that baseline. That is why they refer to those who do not behave such as straight in comparison.

Incestuous/beastiality is a deviation from the norm. That is a simple fact. As such, it fits the criteria alongside LGBTQ. That is why the comparison is made and that is why people hate the argument; because its the truth.

To argue otherwise is to claim that a marriage between a man and woman is not the baseline.

That is plainly absurd.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 7:43:05 GMT

Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 7:43:05 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 5:48:23 GMT warrior said:

(1) Why are you so attached to the term, which, again, is politically loaded and associated with far rightwing spaces?Why not just say what you think about the game without bemoaning those SJWs, if you don't want to be associated with those (frankly, abusive) people who use it the most? For example, why not just say that you worry that it seems the MEA devs played it too safe, and you found the result bland?

Give me a better term to encompass the ideology of people who play it safe.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 7:46:20 GMT

Post by mordivier on Jun 30, 2017 7:46:20 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 7:40:14 GMT @pasquale said:

Jun 30, 2017 6:38:38 GMT mordivier said:

The representation of an extreme minority of the populace IS an agenda. You don't see them "representing" incestuous coupling. You don't see them "representing" beastiality. They exist. They don't represent them because they are a societal taboo.

The "sexualization" of the characters is a moot point if it were based on a single character alone, but the "de-sexualizing" started with DAI. There are multiple instances of it in MEA.

Yeah, there have been minority elements of society that engage in deviant behavior, yes...much like incest and beastiality. They do it regardless of what YOU would think of them as well. If you support such things then why don't you go protest to the media that they get their due representation as well if your cause was so righteous?

I would think not. That alone shows you the agenda. Its societal and they are injecting into the gaming mediums and movies and TV shows to try to convince other people that it is an acceptable way of life. Well, if your going to say LGBTQ is acceptable then your going to have to say the rest is acceptable as well. If you don't, then your standard is inherently biased and is based on identity politics and liberal/progressive agenda/propaganda...which is based on other things as well, such as defiance of Yahweh's Laws in the scriptures.

If you cannot see the hypocrisy of that then there isn't really that much else to be said.

Wow - I guess you really did go there.

Bestiality and pedophilia are easily dismissed, since they don't involve loving relationships between consenting adults.

Incestuous relationships are taboo for a couple of primary reasons: exploitative power imbalances and genetic consequences for offspring. Anyone inclined toward intimacy with a blood relative could just as easily find a suitable unrelated partner.

Religious texts have no bearing on any of it.

Personally, I'm not interested in porn in any form, and would prefer the games didn't have sex scenes at all. I do, however, enjoy the opportunity to role-play a romance for my character.

I didn't mention pedophilia. I mentioned minorities of the populace. Those type of people exist.

Your description of why incestuous relationships being taboo are irrelevant. The simple fact is that they are those people exist. Where are their representation? I see you didn't even address that particular point. Are you going to address it now?

"Religious texts" have no bearing on any of it? Right, as I suppose I should adopt your ideology or any other ideology, secularly or otherwise, in the place of the scriptures? No, I will not and your argument IS religious as one of the definitions of the term is a set of beliefs ; www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion - the second and third definition would suffice, or perhaps elements of them it does not matter.

Everyone has their beliefs. SJW have theirs as does conservatives. So do liberals and progressives, socialists, communists, capitalists. The "religious texts" arguments are tiresome and fallacious.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 7:47:45 GMT

Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 7:47:45 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 7:08:32 GMT warrior said:

Do you agree with mordivier below, who thinks that "SJWs" introducing LGBTQ into MEA = the equivalent of promoting incest and bestiality?

Lol, sure. You know why? Nothing wrong with either.

Jun 30, 2017 7:37:41 GMT abaris said:

But actually it's one of the standard talking points of the extreme religious right. Being gay or transgender automatically either leads to incest or bestiality or at least is on the same lines. Sometimes they add pedophilia for good measure. Gives you a good impression on how they don't even bother to educate themselves on the people they're talking about, let alone meet them in real life.

You know whats funny? You don't bother to think critically either, and don't educate yourself on the people you are talking about. I won't include pedophilia, it's clearly about the lack of consent due to one party being a minor. Now, you tell what is wrong with incest and bestiality. If you provide some good rational arguments, I will actually be surprised.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 7:49:21 GMT

Post by kino on Jun 30, 2017 7:49:21 GMT

Welp, at lest it made it to 27 pages. That's something at least considering the topic.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 7:54:18 GMT

Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 7:54:18 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 7:36:36 GMT xujparisipc said:

Jun 30, 2017 7:16:44 GMT warrior said:

I don't know if you're ultra right or what. I don't know what you are IRL.
I'm sarcastically labeling you a Troll who isn't worth engaging in substantial conversation.

Yes, I know. That is what I'm saying. And that backfires:

Ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person"[1]), short for argumentum ad hominem, is now usually understood as a logical fallacy in which an argument is rebutted by attacking the character, motive, or other attribute of the person making the argument, or persons associated with the argument, rather than attacking the substance of the argument itself.

You might have noticed that I've respectfully disagreed with others on this thread, and been pretty civil with some others here who have disagreed with me.
But not everyone...
So, if you're really not a troll, you might consider why I don't really respond to you.
I don't know what you want me to say to you. What do you want to argue with you about? Make a gd point worth addressing for leave me alone.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 7:54:34 GMT

Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 7:54:34 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 7:49:21 GMT kino said:

Welp, at lest it made it to 27 pages. That's something at least considering the topic.

Why are you so preoccupied with how many pages this thread gets? lol

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 7:54:45 GMT

Post by abaris on Jun 30, 2017 7:54:45 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 7:47:45 GMT kaind said:

You know whats funny? You don't bother to think critically either, and don't educate yourself on the people you are talking about. I won't include pedophilia, it's clearly about the lack of consent due to one party being a minor. Now, you tell what is wrong with incest and bestiality. If you provide some good rational arguments, I will actually be surprised.

Bestiality? Consent?

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 7:58:56 GMT

Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 7:58:56 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 7:54:45 GMT abaris said:

Bestiality? Consent?

You don't need consent from an animal. You ask the animals opinion when you put it on a leash, or take it for a walk, or when you wash it etc. ?

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:00:19 GMT

Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 8:00:19 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 7:47:45 GMT kaind said:

Jun 30, 2017 7:08:32 GMT warrior said:

Do you agree with mordivier below, who thinks that "SJWs" introducing LGBTQ into MEA = the equivalent of promoting incest and bestiality?

Lol, sure. You know why? Nothing wrong with either.

Jun 30, 2017 7:37:41 GMT abaris said:

But actually it's one of the standard talking points of the extreme religious right. Being gay or transgender automatically either leads to incest or bestiality or at least is on the same lines. Sometimes they add pedophilia for good measure. Gives you a good impression on how they don't even bother to educate themselves on the people they're talking about, let alone meet them in real life.

You know whats funny? You don't bother to think critically either, and don't educate yourself on the people you are talking about. I won't include pedophilia, it's clearly about the lack of consent due to one party being a minor. Now, you tell what is wrong with incest and bestiality. If you provide some good rational arguments, I will actually be surprised.

Bestiality is nonconsensual. Please don't fuck animals.
I have thought about incest before as a viable sexual relationship so long as everyone is of age -- I have complicated feelings about it because so much incest that happens is actually rape by parent or sibling -- but ultimately anytime it is invoked in this context, it is to illustrate how homosexuality is deviant from a norm and therefore wrong. Mordivier brought it up as deviance to compare to homosexuality. That's pretty clear.
But probably the most important thing here is "incestuous" is not a sexual orientation. You can be incestuous in a hetero-coupling or incestuous in a homo-coupling. Gayness is not really comparable to this.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:06:08 GMT

Post by kotoreffect3 on Jun 30, 2017 8:06:08 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 7:49:21 GMT kino said:

Welp, at lest it made it to 27 pages. That's something at least considering the topic.

yup lol.

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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 30, 2017 8:07:40 GMT

Annnnd this is what I get for working the hours I do. I always keep this tab open 'cause I ride or die ME. But here I am.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:09:43 GMT

Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:09:43 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:00:19 GMT warrior said:

Bestiality is nonconsensual. Please don't fuck animals.

I don't, but I will ask you as well, why would you need consent from an animal?

Jun 30, 2017 8:00:19 GMT warrior said:

Mordivier brought it up as deviance to compare to homosexuality. That's pretty clear. It is to illustrate how homosexuality is deviant from a norm and therefore wrong.

I know, but that's the most ironic thing - why would it be offending if there is nothing wrong with the example? Would you get offended if someone called you a woman as an insult?

And homosexuality was considered a deviance from the norm just like incest and bestiality still is.

Jun 30, 2017 8:00:19 GMT warrior said:

I have thought about incest before as a viable sexual relationship so long as everyone is of age -- I have complicated feelings about it because so much incest that happens is actually rape by parent or sibling -- but ultimately anytime it is invoked in this context,

Of course I am talking about consensual incest, everything else ( like child molestation ) falls under a category of it's own unrelated to incest, even if it also was.

Jun 30, 2017 8:00:19 GMT warrior said:

But probably the most important thing here is "incestuous" is not a sexual orientation. You can be incestuous in a hetero-coupling or incestuous in a homo-coupling. Gayness is not really comparable to this.

Sexuality in broader terms doesn't have an orientation. There are just things that people are sexually attracted to. Sexuality is one big fluid mess that you can never put into comfortable brackets. I understand that it is easier to talk about something specific when you name it specifically, but if you go deeper, there is really no difference.

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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:11:00 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:03:36 GMT sil said:

All that needs to be said on that topic.

Because there is nothing more to say other than: ''Well it's bad... it just is.. everybody knows that duh!''

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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 8:11:09 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 7:43:05 GMT kaind said:

Jun 30, 2017 5:48:23 GMT warrior said:

(1) Why are you so attached to the term, which, again, is politically loaded and associated with far rightwing spaces?Why not just say what you think about the game without bemoaning those SJWs, if you don't want to be associated with those (frankly, abusive) people who use it the most? For example, why not just say that you worry that it seems the MEA devs played it too safe, and you found the result bland?

Give me a better term to encompass the ideology of people who play it safe.

How about "people who play it safe"? Or, different wording for each situation, like, "for MEA, it felt like they were too afraid to offend anyone"? Like, why do you need a catchy phrase?
I still maintain that this has nothing to do this anything "SJW."
Renegade Shepard killed people in cold blood, told people off, and was an overall badness with a gun -- and you could do it all, without saying a single racist or homophobic thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:15:59 GMT

Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:15:59 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:11:09 GMT warrior said:

Jun 30, 2017 7:43:05 GMT kaind said:

Give me a better term to encompass the ideology of people who play it safe.

How about "people who play it safe"? Or, different wording for each situation, like, "for MEA, it felt like they were too afraid to offend anyone"? Like, why do you need a catchy phrase?
I still maintain that this has nothing to do this anything "SJW."
Renegade Shepard killed people in cold blood, told people off, and was an overall badness with a gun -- and you could do it all, without saying a single racist or homophobic thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You could be racist in ME1, but sure I agree. I mean fair enough, if I am wrong and SJW's have nothing to do with MEA being so safe, then ok, I won't use the term. But I don't think that a term is exclusive to only one particular group, it's not like they have copyright on it. It's like saying that Nazi is a term that can only by used by the far left and only refer to the alt-right.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:16:46 GMT

Post by mordivier on Jun 30, 2017 8:16:46 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:00:19 GMT warrior said:

Jun 30, 2017 7:47:45 GMT kaind said:

Lol, sure. You know why? Nothing wrong with either.

You know whats funny? You don't bother to think critically either, and don't educate yourself on the people you are talking about. I won't include pedophilia, it's clearly about the lack of consent due to one party being a minor. Now, you tell what is wrong with incest and bestiality. If you provide some good rational arguments, I will actually be surprised.

Bestiality is nonconsensual. Please don't fuck animals.
I have thought about incest before as a viable sexual relationship so long as everyone is of age -- I have complicated feelings about it because so much incest that happens is actually rape by parent or sibling -- but ultimately anytime it is invoked in this context, it is to illustrate how homosexuality is deviant from a norm and therefore wrong. Mordivier brought it up as deviance to compare to homosexuality. That's pretty clear.
But probably the most important thing here is "incestuous" is not a sexual orientation. You can be incestuous in a hetero-coupling or incestuous in a homo-coupling. Gayness is not really comparable to this.

Only if adhere to the idea that committing a homosexual act is not a choice, but inherent in the nature of who we are. I do not. Yes, being straight is a choice as well, but that is exactly the point. How you "feel" about the matter is irrelevant. What you choose to do is.

A "straight" person can choose to commit homosexual acts just as a "homosexual" can choose not to engage in that type of behavior. To say you do not have a choice is to excuse your responsibility for what you do and that is the core for all arguments for homosexuality; the removal of personal responsibility and accountability for doing what they are doing.

Well, if your going to say people are just "born that way", then killers can be born killers. Thieves born to be thieves. Molesters born to be molesters. Liars born to be liars. Anything and everything is justified and you have no objective standard to say what I or you or anyone else does is any worse or better.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:17:18 GMT

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Jun 30, 2017 7:46:20 GMT mordivier said:

Jun 30, 2017 7:40:14 GMT @pasquale said:

Wow - I guess you really did go there.

Bestiality and pedophilia are easily dismissed, since they don't involve loving relationships between consenting adults.

Incestuous relationships are taboo for a couple of primary reasons: exploitative power imbalances and genetic consequences for offspring. Anyone inclined toward intimacy with a blood relative could just as easily find a suitable unrelated partner.

Religious texts have no bearing on any of it.

Personally, I'm not interested in porn in any form, and would prefer the games didn't have sex scenes at all. I do, however, enjoy the opportunity to role-play a romance for my character.

I didn't mention pedophilia. I mentioned minorities of the populace. Those type of people exist.

Your description of why incestuous relationships being taboo are irrelevant. The simple fact is that they are those people exist. Where are their representation? I see you didn't even address that particular point. Are you going to address it now?

I already did address it. Since you seem to be demanding the inclusion of incest, the reasons for the taboos are absolutely relevant.

Most people have dating pools large enough to find a suitable unrelated partner.

By definition, gay people can only find satisfying romantic relationships with members of their own sex.

So, no, these things are not comparable.

But if you really want these other things (bestiality, incest, whatevs) included in more media, I'd suggest you petition content creators.

"Religious texts" have no bearing on any of it? Right, as I suppose I should adopt your ideology or any other ideology, secularly or otherwise, in the place of the scriptures? No, I will not and your argument IS religious as one of the definitions of the term is a set of beliefs ; www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion - the second and third definition would suffice, or perhaps elements of them it does not matter.

Everyone has their beliefs. SJW have theirs as does conservatives. So do liberals and progressives, socialists, communists, capitalists. The "religious texts" arguments are tiresome and fallacious.

I don't care what ideology you adopt/practice or what religious texts you follow.

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Annnnd this is what I get for working the hours I do. I always keep this tab open 'cause I ride or die ME. But here I am.

Thought you were working on tracking that bounty in the Terminus Systems

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