I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda"

Only if adhere to the idea that committing a homosexual act is not a choice, but inherent in the nature of who we are. I do not. Yes, being straight is a choice as well, but that is exactly the point. How you "feel" about the matter is irrelevant. What you choose to do is.

A "straight" person can choose to commit homosexual acts just as a "homosexual" can choose not to engage in that type of behavior. To say you do not have a choice is to excuse your responsibility for what you do and that is the core for all arguments for homosexuality; the removal of personal responsibility and accountability for doing what they are doing.

Well, if your going to say people are just "born that way", then killers can be born killers. Thieves born to be thieves. Molesters born to be molesters. Liars born to be liars. Anything and everything is justified and you have no objective standard to say what I or you or anyone else does is any worse or better.

Straight up committing a homosexual act is obviously a choice. The question is, what is wrong with that act?

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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 30, 2017 8:23:55 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:20:27 GMT kotoreffect3 said:

Jun 30, 2017 8:07:40 GMT zaeedisking said:

Annnnd this is what I get for working the hours I do. I always keep this tab open 'cause I ride or die ME. But here I am.

Thought you were working on tracking that bounty in the Terminus Systems

You keep coming at him with this... you saw what ME3 did to him. Zaeed/Miranda fan club 4 life.

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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 8:24:21 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:09:43 GMT kaind said:

Bestiality is nonconsensual. Please don't fuck animals.

I don't, but I will ask you as well, why would you need consent from an animal?

Because we don't totally get animal psychology? Because it would cause a lot of pain? Honestly, if someone stuck a dick into my dog it would really hurt him. I don't know how a horse would feel but my dog would not feel okay. You can't get consent -- so you shouldn't do it.

Mordivier brought it up as deviance to compare to homosexuality. That's pretty clear. It is to illustrate how homosexuality is deviant from a norm and therefore wrong.

I know, but that's the most ironic thing - why would it be offending if there is nothing wrong with the example? Would you get offended if someone called you a woman as an insult?

And homosexuality was considered a deviance from the norm just like incest and bestiality still is.

I literallly said that I can get behind incest if it's for sure consensual because the power relationships are equal. What I'm saying is that it's a tactic/red herring conservative Christians use to discredit the legitimacy of homosexuality, and that's what mordivier is doing, and that's why I'm pointing it out.

I have thought about incest before as a viable sexual relationship so long as everyone is of age -- I have complicated feelings about it because so much incest that happens is actually rape by parent or sibling -- but ultimately anytime it is invoked in this context,

Of course I am talking about consensual incest, everything else ( like child molestation ) falls under a category of it's own unrelated to incest, even if it also was.

Right. But I said that I get it, in theory -- that was just an aside comment to express some reservations -- so I don't totally get why you're honing in on it.

But probably the most important thing here is "incestuous" is not a sexual orientation. You can be incestuous in a hetero-coupling or incestuous in a homo-coupling. Gayness is not really comparable to this.

Sexuality in broader terms doesn't have an orientation. There are just things that people are sexually attracted to. Sexuality is one big fluid mess that you can never put into comfortable brackets. I understand that it is easier to talk about something specific when you name it specifically, but if you go deeper, there is really no difference.

I disagree. I think there are sexual orientations that have nothing to do with whether or not you would fuck a family member. Would you fuck your brother, sister, or both of them? If you're a "straight" guy who wouldn't fuck dudes outside your family, but would fuck both your brother and sister because "incestuous" is your sexual orientation, then okay...

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:26:41 GMT

Post by mordivier on Jun 30, 2017 8:26:41 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:17:18 GMT @pasquale said:

Jun 30, 2017 7:46:20 GMT mordivier said:

I didn't mention pedophilia. I mentioned minorities of the populace. Those type of people exist.

Your description of why incestuous relationships being taboo are irrelevant. The simple fact is that they are those people exist. Where are their representation? I see you didn't even address that particular point. Are you going to address it now?

I already did address it. Since you seem to be demanding the inclusion of incest, the reasons for the taboos are absolutely relevant.

Most people have dating pools large enough to find a suitable unrelated partner.

By definition, gay people can only find satisfying romantic relationships with members of their own sex.

So, no, these things are not comparable.

But if you really want these other things (bestiality, incest, whatevs) included in more media, I'd suggest you petition content creators.

"Religious texts" have no bearing on any of it? Right, as I suppose I should adopt your ideology or any other ideology, secularly or otherwise, in the place of the scriptures? No, I will not and your argument IS religious as one of the definitions of the term is a set of beliefs ; www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/religion - the second and third definition would suffice, or perhaps elements of them it does not matter.

Everyone has their beliefs. SJW have theirs as does conservatives. So do liberals and progressives, socialists, communists, capitalists. The "religious texts" arguments are tiresome and fallacious.

I don't care what ideology you adopt/practice or what religious texts you follow.

If the reasons are so taboo are irrelevant then your still left with the fact that the inclusion of incest as an argument is valid simply because there are people out there, who are a minority, who choose to engage in it. A fact. Where is their representation?

Oh, I see, but you care enough to try, fallaciously, to argue that other deviant practices cannot be compared to LGBTQ behavior. That is your apparent ideology. Your entire argument is contradictory.

I ask you again; if you say that LGBTQ is about "seeing a representation of themselves in media" then where is the representation of other deviant forms of behavior? Such as incest?

You keep avoiding it, stubbornly, but you know its because you would have to allow such behavior to go unchallenged just like people want LGBTQ in the same vein.

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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 30, 2017 8:27:19 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:24:21 GMT warrior said:

Jun 30, 2017 8:09:43 GMT kaind said:

I disagree. I think there are sexual orientations that have nothing to do with whether or not you would fuck a family member. Would you fuck your brother, sister, or both of them? If you're a straight guy who wouldn't fuck dudes outside your family, but would fuck both your brother and sister because "incestuous" is your sexual orientation, then okay...

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Bestiality is nonconsensual. Please don't fuck animals.
I have thought about incest before as a viable sexual relationship so long as everyone is of age -- I have complicated feelings about it because so much incest that happens is actually rape by parent or sibling -- but ultimately anytime it is invoked in this context, it is to illustrate how homosexuality is deviant from a norm and therefore wrong. Mordivier brought it up as deviance to compare to homosexuality. That's pretty clear.
But probably the most important thing here is "incestuous" is not a sexual orientation. You can be incestuous in a hetero-coupling or incestuous in a homo-coupling. Gayness is not really comparable to this.

Only if adhere to the idea that committing a homosexual act is not a choice, but inherent in the nature of who we are. I do not. Yes, being straight is a choice as well, but that is exactly the point. How you "feel" about the matter is irrelevant. What you choose to do is.

A "straight" person can choose to commit homosexual acts just as a "homosexual" can choose not to engage in that type of behavior. To say you do not have a choice is to excuse your responsibility for what you do and that is the core for all arguments for homosexuality; the removal of personal responsibility and accountability for doing what they are doing.

Well, if your going to say people are just "born that way", then killers can be born killers. Thieves born to be thieves. Molesters born to be molesters. Liars born to be liars. Anything and everything is justified and you have no objective standard to say what I or you or anyone else does is any worse or better.

Homosexuality is not an act. Neither is heterosexuality, or anything else on the spectrum. They are innate characteristics.

Behaviors may be chosen (some social scientists seem to be theorizing that behaviors are pre-programmed, but that's off-topic).

Yes, you can be homosexual and be celibate. You can be heterosexual and celibate, or anything else on the spectrum.

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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 8:28:52 GMT

Why are homophobes so confused by the concept of informed consent? It's extremely disturbing and makes me wonder what they hell they're doing in their real lives. At the very least, it makes me worry for their significant others.

Also, where the hell are the mods?

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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 8:29:26 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:15:59 GMT kaind said:

Jun 30, 2017 8:11:09 GMT warrior said:

How about "people who play it safe"? Or, different wording for each situation, like, "for MEA, it felt like they were too afraid to offend anyone"? Like, why do you need a catchy phrase?
I still maintain that this has nothing to do this anything "SJW."
Renegade Shepard killed people in cold blood, told people off, and was an overall badness with a gun -- and you could do it all, without saying a single racist or homophobic thing. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

You could be racist in ME1, but sure I agree. I mean fair enough, if I am wrong and SJW's have nothing to do with MEA being so safe, then ok, I won't use the term. But I don't think that a term is exclusive to only one particular group, it's not like they have copyright on it. It's like saying that Nazi is a term that can only by used by the far left and only refer to the alt-right.

You can't actually be racist, though, in our actual societal context... it goes back to the convo earlier in this thread about metaphorical racism between fantasy races and literal racist behavior.
Like, Ashley is "space racist." TIM is "speciesist."
You could, for ex, play a black Shepard that agrees with Ashley that turians shouldnt be on the ship. OK.
You can't play a white Shepard that calls Anderson the N-word.
There is a difference here.

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Post by ioannisdenton on Jun 30, 2017 8:30:06 GMT

Τhis little joke has undergone for so long. There is NO sjw crap in this game.
While i dislike
Sure there are LGBZTQRROJ (sorry i find the abbreviation ridiculous and the whole community setting themsleves apart from straight people by having such a community)people crammed in the game without any meaningful reason but they are not obtrusive at all. They do not show their sexuality in my face (as of patch 1.08).
I have no qualms at all with Jaal being Bi.
It literraly is in your face If you pursue it.
Gil is kinda fun even though i disliked him at first for being another gay/bi whatever.
Henley is just a character. Most people who whine about SJW stuff wont even get her to declare her sexuality.

In fact in inquisition i found Dorian to be a fantastic character and his personal quest which was politic/sexual-embarassing/shame entangled really touched me. Dorian felt like a bro to me.
Mr David Gaider who is openly gay is responsible for many of my goosebumps and one of my favorite game series of all times (along with Mass effect).

I also do get that gay etc people enjoy these games like i do cause of options like Jaal/stevecortez,kaydan etc. I support this.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:30:17 GMT

Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:30:17 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:24:21 GMT @warrior said:

Because we don't totally get animal psychology? Because it would cause a lot of pain? Honestly, if someone stuck a dick into my dog it would really hurt him. I don't know how a horse would feel but my dog would not feel okay. You can't get consent -- so you shouldn't do it.

Are you a vegan?

Jun 30, 2017 8:24:21 GMT @warrior said:

I literallly said that I can get behind incest if it's for sure consensual because the power relationships are equal. What I'm saying is that it's a tactic/red herring conservative Christians use to discredit the legitimacy of homosexuality, and that's what mordivier is doing, and that's why I'm pointing it out.

Well then call them out on the BS. Reading your response I would say conveys very clearly that you agree that incest is bad ( won't touch bestiality, since we still discussing that ) and that it's offensive.

Jun 30, 2017 8:24:21 GMT @warrior said:

I disagree. I think there are sexual orientations that have nothing to do with whether or not you would fuck a family member. Would you fuck your brother, sister, or both of them? If you're a straight guy who wouldn't fuck dudes outside your family, but would fuck both your brother and sister because "incestuous" is your sexual orientation, then okay...

You will literally find those people, I promise you! It can be anything.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:30:17 GMT

Post by mordivier on Jun 30, 2017 8:30:17 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:21:14 GMT kaind said:

Only if adhere to the idea that committing a homosexual act is not a choice, but inherent in the nature of who we are. I do not. Yes, being straight is a choice as well, but that is exactly the point. How you "feel" about the matter is irrelevant. What you choose to do is.

A "straight" person can choose to commit homosexual acts just as a "homosexual" can choose not to engage in that type of behavior. To say you do not have a choice is to excuse your responsibility for what you do and that is the core for all arguments for homosexuality; the removal of personal responsibility and accountability for doing what they are doing.

Well, if your going to say people are just "born that way", then killers can be born killers. Thieves born to be thieves. Molesters born to be molesters. Liars born to be liars. Anything and everything is justified and you have no objective standard to say what I or you or anyone else does is any worse or better.

Straight up committing a homosexual act is obviously a choice. The question is, what is wrong with that act?

My first response would be that it is a violation of the Almighty's Laws; Yahweh's Laws.

My second response would be a question for a question; what is wrong with any other deviant behavior out there? Incest? Polygamy? Bigamy? Adultery? Fornication? It depends on the standard by which you judge it. Yours or someone elses. If its not by Yahweh's standard, then is always interpretable and subjective. Your standard would be no better than anyone elses and arguing the technicalities would be irrelevant; its you against them.

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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 8:30:57 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:27:19 GMT zaeedisking said:

Jun 30, 2017 8:24:21 GMT warrior said:

LOL
What I'm saying is that incestuous behavior has nothing to do with sexual orientation, which is tied to gender presentation.

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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 8:32:24 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:21:14 GMT kaind said:

Straight up committing a homosexual act is obviously a choice. The question is, what is wrong with that act?

My first response would be that it is a violation of the Almighty's Laws; Yahweh's Laws.

Yahweh should have thought of that before He created LGBT people.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:33:19 GMT

Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 8:33:19 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:28:18 GMT @pasquale said:

Only if adhere to the idea that committing a homosexual act is not a choice, but inherent in the nature of who we are. I do not. Yes, being straight is a choice as well, but that is exactly the point. How you "feel" about the matter is irrelevant. What you choose to do is.

A "straight" person can choose to commit homosexual acts just as a "homosexual" can choose not to engage in that type of behavior. To say you do not have a choice is to excuse your responsibility for what you do and that is the core for all arguments for homosexuality; the removal of personal responsibility and accountability for doing what they are doing.

Well, if your going to say people are just "born that way", then killers can be born killers. Thieves born to be thieves. Molesters born to be molesters. Liars born to be liars. Anything and everything is justified and you have no objective standard to say what I or you or anyone else does is any worse or better.

Homosexuality is not an act. Neither is heterosexuality, or anything else on the spectrum. They are innate characteristics.

Behaviors may be chosen (some social scientists seem to be theorizing that behaviors are pre-programmed, but that's off-topic).

Yes, you can be homosexual and be celibate. You can be heterosexual and celibate, or anything else on the spectrum.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:33:29 GMT

Post by mordivier on Jun 30, 2017 8:33:29 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:28:18 GMT @pasquale said:

Only if adhere to the idea that committing a homosexual act is not a choice, but inherent in the nature of who we are. I do not. Yes, being straight is a choice as well, but that is exactly the point. How you "feel" about the matter is irrelevant. What you choose to do is.

A "straight" person can choose to commit homosexual acts just as a "homosexual" can choose not to engage in that type of behavior. To say you do not have a choice is to excuse your responsibility for what you do and that is the core for all arguments for homosexuality; the removal of personal responsibility and accountability for doing what they are doing.

Well, if your going to say people are just "born that way", then killers can be born killers. Thieves born to be thieves. Molesters born to be molesters. Liars born to be liars. Anything and everything is justified and you have no objective standard to say what I or you or anyone else does is any worse or better.

Homosexuality is not an act. Neither is heterosexuality, or anything else on the spectrum. They are innate characteristics.

Behaviors may be chosen (some social scientists seem to be theorizing that behaviors are pre-programmed, but that's off-topic).

Yes, you can be homosexual and be celibate. You can be heterosexual and celibate, or anything else on the spectrum.

No, you believe that those are innate characteristics. Others do as well. I do not. Your ability to choose what you do is an innate characteristic.

That is merely an excuse to do what you will without it being called wicked. Nothing more and nothing less.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:34:03 GMT

Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:34:03 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:21:14 GMT kaind said:

Straight up committing a homosexual act is obviously a choice. The question is, what is wrong with that act?

My first response would be that it is a violation of the Almighty's Laws; Yahweh's Laws.

I can't argue with this.

I would first have to convince you that God doesn't exist and that would fix the problem, however that is a discussion unrelated.

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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 30, 2017 8:34:15 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:30:57 GMT warrior said:

Jun 30, 2017 8:27:19 GMT zaeedisking said:

LOL
What I'm saying is that incestuous behavior has nothing to do with sexual orientation, which is tied to gender presentation.

I wasn't quoting you warrior.

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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:34:43 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:34:15 GMT zaeedisking said:

I wasn't quoting you warrior.

You were though.

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Post by mordivier on Jun 30, 2017 8:35:04 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:32:24 GMT sageoflife said:

My first response would be that it is a violation of the Almighty's Laws; Yahweh's Laws.

Yahweh should have thought of that before He created LGBT people.

Yahweh created mankind. It was men who chose their own way.

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Jun 30, 2017 8:26:41 GMT mordivier said:

Jun 30, 2017 8:17:18 GMT @pasquale said:

I already did address it. Since you seem to be demanding the inclusion of incest, the reasons for the taboos are absolutely relevant.

Most people have dating pools large enough to find a suitable unrelated partner.

By definition, gay people can only find satisfying romantic relationships with members of their own sex.

So, no, these things are not comparable.

But if you really want these other things (bestiality, incest, whatevs) included in more media, I'd suggest you petition content creators.

I don't care what ideology you adopt/practice or what religious texts you follow.

If the reasons are so taboo are irrelevant then your still left with the fact that the inclusion of incest as an argument is valid simply because there are people out there, who are a minority, who choose to engage in it. A fact. Where is their representation?

Oh, I see, but you care enough to try, fallaciously, to argue that other deviant practices cannot be compared to LGBTQ behavior. That is your apparent ideology. Your entire argument is contradictory.

I ask you again; if you say that LGBTQ is about "seeing a representation of themselves in media" then where is the representation of other deviant forms of behavior? Such as incest?

You keep avoiding it, stubbornly, but you know its because you would have to allow such behavior to go unchallenged just like people want LGBTQ in the same vein.

I've already addressed all of your points.

At this point, all you're doing is throwing shade (fallacious... contradictory) but providing no examples of such.

I'll not waste any more time with this.

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I fail to see how this game is "sjw propoganda" Jun 30, 2017 8:36:23 GMT

Post by mordivier on Jun 30, 2017 8:36:23 GMT

Jun 30, 2017 8:34:03 GMT kaind said: