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Post by vonuber on Jun 30, 2017 8:40:39 GMT
Oh, dear, the common "apples to oranges" refutation. The context of the argument is that a normal, straight marriage between a man and a woman is the baseline. That is why it is called "straight", as in reference to the straight and narrow from the Messiah in the Gospel accounts. That is why LGBTQ call themselves "LGBTQ" because because they are deviating from that baseline. That is why they refer to those who do not behave such as straight in comparison. Incestuous/beastiality is a deviation from the norm. That is a simple fact. As such, it fits the criteria alongside LGBTQ. That is why the comparison is made and that is why people hate the argument; because its the truth. To argue otherwise is to claim that a marriage between a man and woman is not the baseline. That is plainly absurd.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:41:18 GMT
Yahweh didn't give me any choice in the matter when He gave me an innate attraction to other men. Sexuality isn't innate though, it's nurtured, people are not actually born straight either.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 8:42:11 GMT
Yahweh didn't give me any choice in the matter when He gave me an innate attraction to other men. Sexuality isn't innate though, it's nurtured, people are not actually born straight either. The many people who have been tortured in failed attempts to alter their sexuality is proof against your absurd claim.
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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 30, 2017 8:42:35 GMT
No I wasn't. I quoted you. You think you did, but actually it was a mess in the quote, me and warrior know, because we follow the discussion. that's why she replied to you in the first place. Oh you're in my head now are you?
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:42:56 GMT
Note that I am being facetious here. "Incestuous" isn't a sexual orientation, period, sorry. Ok, not what I said, but ok. Let's drop that. Are you vegan though?
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:44:08 GMT
Sexuality isn't innate though, it's nurtured, people are not actually born straight either. The many people who have been tortured in failed attempts to alter their sexuality is proof against your absurd claim. And many people that DID alter their sexuality and many people that experience their sexuality change through out their life is proof that the claim is actually quite justified.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:44:55 GMT
You think you did, but actually it was a mess in the quote, me and warrior know, because we follow the discussion. that's why she replied to you in the first place. Oh you're in my head now are you? I don't know.. am I?
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Post by vonuber on Jun 30, 2017 8:45:04 GMT
My first response would be that it is a violation of the Almighty's Laws; Yahweh's Laws.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 8:45:06 GMT
The many people who have been tortured in failed attempts to alter their sexuality is proof against your absurd claim. And many people that DID alter their sexuality and many people that experience their sexuality change through out their life is proof that the claim is actually quite justified. Those people don't exist, so no, that claim isn't justified.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:45:49 GMT
And many people that DID alter their sexuality and many people that experience their sexuality change through out their life is proof that the claim is actually quite justified. Those people don't exist, so no, that claim isn't justified. I am one of those people, checkmate?
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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 8:47:52 GMT
Note that I am being facetious here. "Incestuous" isn't a sexual orientation, period, sorry. Ok, not what I said, but ok. Let's drop that. Are you vegan though? I get your question, and no. so I am going to hell, probably. I do try to get organic or local (depending on availability) if possible because I do think factory farming is wrong. :/ It's a complicated topic for me because I was a veg for many years but could not maintain it well due to anemia.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 8:47:57 GMT
Those people don't exist, so no, that claim isn't justified. I am one of those people, checkmate? No you're not. Either you were never gay in the first place and you're just lying to aggravate people, or you have returned to the closet and are now attempting to inflict your self-loathing on the rest of us.
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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 8:48:49 GMT
The many people who have been tortured in failed attempts to alter their sexuality is proof against your absurd claim. And many people that DID alter their sexuality and many people that experience their sexuality change through out their life is proof that the claim is actually quite justified. Erm no Are you for real or a troll because that is profoundly fucked
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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 30, 2017 8:49:23 GMT
Those people don't exist, so no, that claim isn't justified. I am one of those people, checkmate? Ah. Ok. You have the morally superior high ground. Interesting. Didn't think that existed on the internets.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 8:49:48 GMT
Seriously, why are the mods allowing this to continue? This thread has become nothing but a couple homophobes sitting around and saying disgusting things to justify mistreating LGBT people.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:51:55 GMT
I get your question, and no. so I am going to hell, probably. I do try to get organic or local (depending on availability) if possible because I do think factory farming is wrong. :/ It's a complicated topic for me because I was a veg for many years but could not maintain it well due to anemia. So you can't say anything about the dogs then.
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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 8:54:41 GMT
Those people don't exist, so no, that claim isn't justified. I am one of those people, checkmate? Ok. I hope that you're all right. Seriously. I'm not going to tell you how to feel about that, if that's true. But I hope that you're truly at peace and happy with who you are. But I'm sure you know that many who did go through that are not okay -- and they are not okay because of it.
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Post by abaris on Jun 30, 2017 8:54:48 GMT
No you're not. Either you were never gay in the first place and you're just lying to aggravate people, or you have returned to the closet and are now attempting to inflict your self-loathing on the rest of us. There are also bi persons of different degrees. I once had a crush for a classmate, but that was the one and only time I was attracted to another male. Between 100 percent gay and 100 percent hetero there are all kinds of shades. Mother nature is a peculiar parent.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2017 8:55:52 GMT
Seriously, why are the mods allowing this to continue? This thread has become nothing but a couple homophobes sitting around and saying disgusting things to justify mistreating LGBT people. It's worth seeing vonuber's gifs - they're always a treat.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 8:56:53 GMT
I am one of those people, checkmate? Ok. I hope that you're all right. Seriously. I'm not going to tell you how to feel about that, if that's true. But I hope that you're truly at peace and happy with who you are. But I'm sure you know that many who did go through that are not okay -- and they are not okay because of it. I have no sympathy who tries to justify attempts to alter sexual orientation. Not since I learned that pretty much the entire practice was based on a failed attempt to literally beat the gay out of a little boy.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 8:57:57 GMT
No you're not. Either you were never gay in the first place and you're just lying to aggravate people, or you have returned to the closet and are now attempting to inflict your self-loathing on the rest of us. Are you for real or a troll I went from straight to biromantic when I lost my faith and stopped being sexist. Completely serious, if you think I am trolling don't reply, I don't really care, but that's rude.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 9:00:32 GMT
No you're not. Either you were never gay in the first place and you're just lying to aggravate people, or you have returned to the closet and are now attempting to inflict your self-loathing on the rest of us. I went from straight to biromantic when I lost my faith and stopped being sexist. Completely serious, if you think I am trolling don't reply, I don't really care, but that's rude. Sounds like you were always bisexual bit in the closet. Unfortunately, the LGBT community is not free from trogs.
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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 9:01:10 GMT
Ok. I hope that you're all right. Seriously. I'm not going to tell you how to feel about that, if that's true. But I hope that you're truly at peace and happy with who you are. But I'm sure you know that many who did go through that are not okay -- and they are not okay because of it. I have no sympathy who tries to justify attempts to alter sexual orientation. Not since I learned that pretty much the entire practice was based on a failed attempt to literally beat the gay out of a little boy. Gay conversion therapy should be federally illegal w/ a serious charge attached, no doubt about it.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 9:06:18 GMT
Sounds like you were always bisexual bit in the closet. Unfortunately, the LGBT community is not free from trogs. Nope, hadn't had a single thought from early childhood. And also not bisexual but biromantic. The change came from realizing that men and women are not that different, it just clicked inside.
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