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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 9:07:56 GMT
No you're not. Either you were never gay in the first place and you're just lying to aggravate people, or you have returned to the closet and are now attempting to inflict your self-loathing on the rest of us. I went from straight to biromantic when I lost my faith and stopped being sexist. Completely serious, if you think I am trolling don't reply, I don't really care, but that's rude. Ok, sageoflife was talking about torturing people to change their sexuality and how it doesn't work. you said you were proof of it. I thought you meant you were proof of conversion success -- not that you simply changed your sexuality. why you would bring up your change from straight to bi in reponse to a comment about the failure of torture/conversion therapy to "fix" LGBTQ is beyond me.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 9:08:19 GMT
Gay conversion therapy should be federally illegal w/ a serious charge attached, no doubt about it. People can actually change if they really want to. Why treat change as something negative and why deny people the opportunity if they cannot do it on their own?
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 9:08:57 GMT
Sounds like you were always bisexual bit in the closet. Unfortunately, the LGBT community is not free from trogs. Nope, hadn't had a single thought from early childhood. And also not bisexual but biromantic. The change came from realizing that men and women are not that different, it just clicked inside. Whatever denialism you use is your business until you start justifying a practice that has left behind a trail of bodies in its wake.
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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 9:09:14 GMT
Gay conversion therapy should be federally illegal w/ a serious charge attached, no doubt about it. People can actually change if they really want to. Why treat change as something negative and why deny people the opportunity if they cannot do it on their own? Oh god you are a troll aren't you
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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 30, 2017 9:11:03 GMT
Gay conversion therapy should be federally illegal w/ a serious charge attached, no doubt about it. People can actually change if they really want to. Why treat change as something negative and why deny people the opportunity if they cannot do it on their own? You clearly didn't read her post.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 9:11:32 GMT
Gay conversion therapy should be federally illegal w/ a serious charge attached, no doubt about it. People can actually change if they really want to. Why treat change as something negative and why deny people the opportunity if they cannot do it on their own? Because the practice has left a trail of dead bodies while producing zero success stories.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 9:12:39 GMT
sageoflife and warrior You are confusing bad methods and forceful change with the fact that change is possible and willing people can change. People shouldn't change because someone told them too, or because they feel bad and surely shouldn't get help from people that have personal interest in their change, but people can change it's like with anything else. Edit: I am not from US btw, I don't know what is going on there on a federal level, that's not what I am talking about.
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Post by abaris on Jun 30, 2017 9:13:39 GMT
Gay conversion therapy should be federally illegal w/ a serious charge attached, no doubt about it. And it is. In the whole of the Western world, apart from some states in the USA and the UK.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 9:14:54 GMT
sageoflife and warrior You are confusing bad methods and forceful change with the fact that change is possible and willing people can change. People shouldn't change because someone told them too, or because they feel bad and surely shouldn't get help from people that have personal interest in their change, but people can change it's like with anything else. So if the person you tortured didn't become straight, it's their for just not wanting it enough. Surely it can't be your fault for torturing a person over an aspect that is harming no one at all. Literally no other "medical" practice unilaterally blames the patient for the 100% failure rate.
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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 9:15:27 GMT
sageoflife and warrior You are confusing bad methods and forceful change with the fact that change is possible and willing people can change. People shouldn't change because someone told them too, or because they feel bad and surely shouldn't get help from people that have personal interest in their change, but people can change it's like with anything else. Conversion therapy is so fucked up and cruel that you most be a sociopath to champion it just because you changed from "straight" to "biromantic" on your own sweet time. LMAO to compare this to the traumatic hell that is conversion therapy for gay kids. Absurd. LMAO "I'm the farthest thing from conservative." If you are not a troll, get some help to develop an ounce of empathy. Goodbye.
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Post by vonuber on Jun 30, 2017 9:16:04 GMT
Seriously, why are the mods allowing this to continue? This thread has become nothing but a couple homophobes sitting around and saying disgusting things to justify mistreating LGBT people. It's worth seeing vonuber's gifs - they're always a treat. I need to make more.
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Post by warrior on Jun 30, 2017 9:17:45 GMT
People can actually change if they really want to. Why treat change as something negative and why deny people the opportunity if they cannot do it on their own? Because the practice has left a trail of dead bodies while producing zero success stories. An actual literal trail of DEAD KIDS. OMG FUCK OFF.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 9:22:06 GMT
So if the person you tortured didn't become straight, it's their for just not wanting it enough. Surely it can't be your fault for torturing a person over an aspect that is harming no one at all. Literally no other "medical" practice unilaterally blames the patient for the 100% failure rate. Obviously torture is not going to help, the change has to come from the person that wants to change. I don't want to talk about any sort of torture or conversion therapy, I am simply talking about people changing themselves mentally.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 9:23:30 GMT
Conversion therapy is so fucked up and cruel that you most be a sociopath to champion it just because you changed from "straight" to "biromantic" on your own sweet time. LMAO to compare this to the traumatic hell that is conversion therapy for gay kids. Absurd. LMAO "I'm the farthest thing from conservative." If you are not a troll, get some help to develop an ounce of empathy. Goodbye. What in the actual fuck are you talking about? When did I say forceful conversion therapy was good?
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Post by zaeedisking on Jun 30, 2017 9:24:35 GMT
So if the person you tortured didn't become straight, it's their for just not wanting it enough. Surely it can't be your fault for torturing a person over an aspect that is harming no one at all. Literally no other "medical" practice unilaterally blames the patient for the 100% failure rate. Obviously torture is not going to help, the change has to come from the person that wants to change. I don't want to talk about any sort of torture or conversion therapy, I am simply talking about people changing themselves mentally. So this is why you have less likes than posts.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 9:25:06 GMT
So if the person you tortured didn't become straight, it's their for just not wanting it enough. Surely it can't be your fault for torturing a person over an aspect that is harming no one at all. Literally no other "medical" practice unilaterally blames the patient for the 100% failure rate. Obviously torture is not going to help, the change has to come from the person that wants to change. I don't want to talk about any sort of torture or conversion therapy, I am simply talking about people changing themselves mentally. So we're still at your victim just not wanting it enough because you couldn't turn them straight, not that it's wrong to torture to turn them straight.
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Post by abaris on Jun 30, 2017 9:25:46 GMT
Obviously torture is not going to help, the change has to come from the person that wants to change. I don't want to talk about any sort of torture or conversion therapy, I am simply talking about people changing themselves mentally. Or torturing themselves mentally instead of accepting who they are? For whatever reasons. Most of them religious in nature, since secular society usually doesn't feel the need to look into anyone's bedroom.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 9:27:27 GMT
Obviously torture is not going to help, the change has to come from the person that wants to change. I don't want to talk about any sort of torture or conversion therapy, I am simply talking about people changing themselves mentally. So we're still at your victim just not wanting it enough because you couldn't turn them straight, not that it's wrong to torture to turn them straight. Holy shit. Can we start from the beginning? Answer each of these please: What are you talking about? What victim? What torture? How does this relate to what I said?
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 9:30:32 GMT
Or torturing themselves mentally instead of accepting who they are? For whatever reasons. Most of them religious in nature, since secular society usually doesn't feel the need to look into anyone's bedroom. Sexual orientation is just a small part of who you are as a person like any other part of your life like: liking video games. It does not define you as a person. You didn't CHOOSE to like video games it just happened, you won't stop liking video games just because someone will torture you, it's not ok to disrespect you for liking video games. And if you will at one point in your life think that video games is not something you want to do anymore you can change that.
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Post by vonuber on Jun 30, 2017 9:32:38 GMT
Sexual orientation is just a small part of who you are as a person like any other part of your life like: liking video games. It does not define you as a person. You didn't CHOOSE to like video games it just happened, you won't stop liking video games just because someone will torture you, it's not ok to disrespect you for liking video games. And if you will at one point in your life think that video games is not something you want to do anymore you can change that. Mate, people don't choose to be gay or straight, they just are. Just get over it, or come out yourself.
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Post by abaris on Jun 30, 2017 9:33:53 GMT
Sexual orientation is just a small part of who you are as a person like any other part of your life like: liking video games. It does not define you as a person. You didn't CHOOSE to like video games it just happened, you won't stop liking video games just because someone will torture you, it's not ok to disrespect you for liking video games. And if you will at one point in your life think that video games is not something you want to do anymore you can change that. The mere fact that you don't understand makes me feel nothing but pity. There's a difference between liking video games and feeling attracted to a person. I hope you learn that distinction before it blows up in your face.
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Post by sageoflife on Jun 30, 2017 9:35:13 GMT
So we're still at your victim just not wanting it enough because you couldn't turn them straight, not that it's wrong to torture to turn them straight. Holy shit. Can we start from the beginning? Answer each of these please: What are you talking about? What victim? What torture? How does this relate to what I said? No, I don't feel the need to let you pretend to be ignorant about your defense of a horrible practice that has destroyed people's lives.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 9:35:24 GMT
Sexual orientation is just a small part of who you are as a person like any other part of your life like: liking video games. It does not define you as a person. You didn't CHOOSE to like video games it just happened, you won't stop liking video games just because someone will torture you, it's not ok to disrespect you for liking video games. And if you will at one point in your life think that video games is not something you want to do anymore you can change that. Mate, people don't choose to be gay or straight. That's what I just said..
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 9:36:33 GMT
Sexual orientation is just a small part of who you are as a person like any other part of your life like: liking video games. It does not define you as a person. You didn't CHOOSE to like video games it just happened, you won't stop liking video games just because someone will torture you, it's not ok to disrespect you for liking video games. And if you will at one point in your life think that video games is not something you want to do anymore you can change that. The mere fact that you don't understand makes me feel nothing but pity. There's a difference between liking video games and feeling attracted to a person. I hope you learn that distinction before it blows up in your face. And there is a difference between a chair and a rock.
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Post by kaind on Jun 30, 2017 9:38:19 GMT
No, I don't feel the need to let you pretend to be ignorant about your defense of a horrible practice that has destroyed people's lives. Yeah, you are just going to continue to pretend that I defend some kind of practice.
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