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Post by sdzald on Jul 3, 2017 17:15:58 GMT
they have. Multiple times. And then every time they do kotaku essentially comes out of the wood work calling them liars. All these threads and Comments are the moral equivalent of asking 'are we there yet' thousands of times when bioware is just trying to drive the car and some want to let them. That's a terrible analogy......asking "are we there yet" means the people asking know where they are going. What we have,are people asking "where are we going?"..........Bioware,just remains silent and doesn't respond to anything you ask.......is that normal???? For EA? Yea it is. If they have decided that the ME series is either in hibernation or even dead they will never announce it.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 3, 2017 17:32:19 GMT
That's a terrible analogy......asking "are we there yet" means the people asking know where they are going. What we have,are people asking "where are we going?"..........Bioware,just remains silent and doesn't respond to anything you ask.......is that normal???? For EA? Yea it is. If they have decided that the ME series is either in hibernation or even dead they will never announce it. Eh, no. They would actually. They said that for Dead Space, Command & Conquer and Ultima series.
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Post by darkway1 on Jul 3, 2017 17:34:47 GMT
That's a terrible analogy......asking "are we there yet" means the people asking know where they are going. What we have,are people asking "where are we going?"..........Bioware,just remains silent and doesn't respond to anything you ask.......is that normal???? For EA? Yea it is. If they have decided that the ME series is either in hibernation or even dead they will never announce it. Yes,exactly. DLC is usually mapped out and planed in conjunction with the main game,simply due to returning voice acting etc........so EA/Bioware knew about DLC plans years ago. If a game offers a season pass,they are committed to produce......if not then the DLC will be based on demand and sales before getting a green light. Either way......EA/Bioware knows. The sad,cold truth is that EA/Bioware know that the moment the game is declared over,it's going to impact on the multiplayer,which will effect the population and kill the game outright........which isn't good news for them micro transactions.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 3, 2017 17:38:38 GMT
For EA? Yea it is. If they have decided that the ME series is either in hibernation or even dead they will never announce it. Yes,exactly. DLC is usually mapped out and planed in conjunction with the main game,simply due to returning voice acting etc........so EA/Bioware knew about DLC plans years ago. If a game offers a season pass,they are committed to produce......if not then the DLC will be based on demand and sales before getting a green light. Either way......EA/Bioware knows. The sad,cold truth is that EA/Bioware know that the moment the game is declared over,it's going to impact on the multiplayer,which will effect the population and kill the game outright........which isn't good news for them micro transactions. And there it is: the cold, cold, cold logic of AAA gaming... the same stuff most of us gamers don't want to see or believe.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 3, 2017 20:39:25 GMT
they have. Multiple times. And then every time they do kotaku essentially comes out of the wood work calling them liars. All these threads and Comments are the moral equivalent of asking 'are we there yet' thousands of times when bioware is just trying to drive the car and some want to let them. That's a terrible analogy......asking "are we there yet" means the people asking know where they are going. What we have,are people asking "where are we going?"..........Bioware,just remains silent and doesn't respond to anything you ask.......is that normal???? its pretty accurate in terms of the pure annoying factor, lack of patience, and there is plenty of evidence that they are working on dlc. So there's that.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Jul 9, 2017 9:21:33 GMT
On the recent Easy Allies (EZA) Podcast they talked about how EA/BioWare has gone silent despite that there was just an E3 and despite that there are rumors, confirmed ones, that MEA won't get single player DLC, and in this talk a bunch of them agreed that a company is respected more if they make mistakes and show effort to communicate and address those than if they shy away and pretend nothing happened.
And meanwhile these former GameTrailers guys were part of the universal silent and "pretend nothing happened" treatment back when the ME3 ending fiasco went down... I mean, where were the journalists then?? It's nothing new, it's just so bluntly obvious now that you can't even try to pretend everything went as planned this time.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 9, 2017 13:58:14 GMT
they have. Multiple times. And then every time they do kotaku essentially comes out of the wood work calling them liars. All these threads and Comments are the moral equivalent of asking 'are we there yet' thousands of times when bioware is just trying to drive the car and some want to let them. That's a terrible analogy......asking "are we there yet" means the people asking know where they are going. What we have,are people asking "where are we going?"..........Bioware,just remains silent and doesn't respond to anything you ask.......is that normal???? For gaming companies these days, it absolutely is normal.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 9, 2017 14:41:40 GMT
That's a terrible analogy......asking "are we there yet" means the people asking know where they are going. What we have,are people asking "where are we going?"..........Bioware,just remains silent and doesn't respond to anything you ask.......is that normal???? For gaming companies these days, it absolutely is normal. The biggest example I can think of for this is that Blizzard no longer reports the subscriber count for World of Warcraft.
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 9, 2017 14:50:33 GMT
Bioware announced companion books way before they were written,before the game was even released. Stop normalizing EA/Bioware's inept PR system.......it's not normal,it's boarder line ignorant..........PR stands for Public Relations......it's supposed to create positivity between client and customer.......look at the great job they are doing......it's garbage. Stop normalizing the fans' behavior towards Bioware. Everything and anything that Bioware would say would be instantly scoffed, attacked, and memed over the entire internet. The people now deriding Bioware for not producing a DLC within 3 months of the game releasing are the same ones who, not so long ago, were deriding the industry for producing day-one DLCs and not including everything in the vanilla game. The same people who have been saying that DLCs are the bane of the industry... but now it's a sin for Bioware to not produce one within a very short time of the game releasing. Even the best PR department cannot say what they themselves don't know yet. If the Board of Directors of EA hasn't made a decision whether or not to do a DLC for Andromeda, the PR Department cannot, in good faith, tell the public anything either way. If there are VAs that cannot be signed to work on the DLC because of the current VA strike, there is nothing Bioware can do about it... and no one knows when the strike will end. It could end tomorrow or it could literally drag on for years. It's that simple... Bioware are telling us that the CANNOT say anything about it at this time. Why? They may not know themselves yet whether or not there will be DLC. Still, there are the fans blowing this all way over the top just like they did with the facial animations. It's no conspiracy... but it is the mob "lemming" factor at work. The reality is, it's not a "life and death" situation. It makes no difference to any fan whether or not DLC is announced right now or later. They have the game. It's not going to decay on them. They either like it now or they don't. If they don't (and the most vocal fans complaining about this clearly don't like the game)... the DLC is not going to fix that for them. They just want Bioware to "feed their trolling" and are so frustrated that Bioware isn't feeding them... that they have to make up hoax companies and fake news to drive their "anti-Bioware" hype trains and get clicks for themselves. This. At this point I want there to be no DLC, just so it can put you all in your place for once.
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Post by Scathane on Jul 9, 2017 15:19:11 GMT
Always this: Mark Darrah ✔ @biomarkdarrahSo reasons why we may not answer your question: - We can not because of a contractual obligation
- We can not because of SEC or other regulatory laws
- The information would trigger a revenue recognition issue
- It's a surprise
- We don't know the answer
- We are avoiding bad news. We try to avoid doing this because it rarely works out. But it does happen on occasion.
- You asked it a way that didn't make someone want to answer. Be nice, please
- The question got lost. This is not an excuse to SPAM your questions, however.
9. Information may be kept secret for competitive reasons. 10. As a company you decide what you publish and when you publish it yourself: if you give in to pressure from customers and journalists, then you're no longer running your own communications. 11. Constantly answering questions will ultimately need dedicated FTEs adding cost.
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Post by darkway1 on Jul 9, 2017 16:48:17 GMT
That's a terrible analogy......asking "are we there yet" means the people asking know where they are going. What we have,are people asking "where are we going?"..........Bioware,just remains silent and doesn't respond to anything you ask.......is that normal???? For gaming companies these days, it absolutely is normal. Sure,but is it a normality that we (consumers) should except?..........personally the answer is NO. It's not right that companies preach the importance of communities and fans........and then when it suit's ignore the very people who invest in their products.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 9, 2017 17:05:46 GMT
Sure,but is it a normality that we (consumers) should except?..........personally the answer is NO. It's not right that companies preach the importance of communities and fans........and then when it suit's ignore the very people who invest in their products. Well, I mean, that's entirely up to you. If you refuse to buy games because you don't know if there will be any additional content, then that's your personal decision. As for me, I understand that businesses can only say so much. I also understand that Bioware does not have an obligation to its consumer beyond the released product (which they are continuing to support). If you simply didn't like the game and you didn't get the content you wanted, you can get your money back, and that's very different from Bioware abandoning a game. They are not doing that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 22:31:27 GMT
Stop normalizing the fans' behavior towards Bioware. Everything and anything that Bioware would say would be instantly scoffed, attacked, and memed over the entire internet. The people now deriding Bioware for not producing a DLC within 3 months of the game releasing are the same ones who, not so long ago, were deriding the industry for producing day-one DLCs and not including everything in the vanilla game. The same people who have been saying that DLCs are the bane of the industry... but now it's a sin for Bioware to not produce one within a very short time of the game releasing. Even the best PR department cannot say what they themselves don't know yet. If the Board of Directors of EA hasn't made a decision whether or not to do a DLC for Andromeda, the PR Department cannot, in good faith, tell the public anything either way. If there are VAs that cannot be signed to work on the DLC because of the current VA strike, there is nothing Bioware can do about it... and no one knows when the strike will end. It could end tomorrow or it could literally drag on for years. It's that simple... Bioware are telling us that the CANNOT say anything about it at this time. Why? They may not know themselves yet whether or not there will be DLC. Still, there are the fans blowing this all way over the top just like they did with the facial animations. It's no conspiracy... but it is the mob "lemming" factor at work. The reality is, it's not a "life and death" situation. It makes no difference to any fan whether or not DLC is announced right now or later. They have the game. It's not going to decay on them. They either like it now or they don't. If they don't (and the most vocal fans complaining about this clearly don't like the game)... the DLC is not going to fix that for them. They just want Bioware to "feed their trolling" and are so frustrated that Bioware isn't feeding them... that they have to make up hoax companies and fake news to drive their "anti-Bioware" hype trains and get clicks for themselves. This. At this point I want there to be no DLC, just so it can put you all in your place for once. ... and I hope there is DLC... but not to put then negative nancies in their place (I think wishing for something expressly to "put someone else in there place" is a pretty petty thing to do). I want DLC AND a sequel because I really want to find out more about this great story being woven in this game. As I play more and more of this game... I'm finding that I don't just like it... I LOVE it. It just has a ton of potential and has captured my imagination far and above any previous game I have ever played including the ME Trilogy.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 9, 2017 22:38:09 GMT
... and I hope there is DLC... but not to put then negative nancies in their place (I think wishing for something expressly to "put someone else in there place" is a pretty petty thing to do). I want DLC AND a sequel because I really want to find out more about this great story being woven in this game. As I play more and more of this game... I'm finding that I don't just like it... I LOVE it. It just has a ton of potential and has captured my imagination far and above any previous game I have ever played including the ME Trilogy.ME TOO!!! It took me some time to get my footing, but I'm much more invested in this new crew and their future than I was at the end of ME1.
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 9, 2017 23:38:15 GMT
This. At this point I want there to be no DLC, just so it can put you all in your place for once. ... and I hope there is DLC... but not to put then negative nancies in their place (I think wishing for something expressly to "put someone else in there place" is a pretty petty thing to do). I want DLC AND a sequel because I really want to find out more about this great story being woven in this game. As I play more and more of this game... I'm finding that I don't just like it... I LOVE it. It just has a ton of potential and has captured my imagination far and above any previous game I have ever played including the ME Trilogy. Don't get me wrong. I want it too, but at this point I'm getting a lot of satisfaction from seeing the crumbling of the hypocrisy on display by people in the community. BioWare has unfortunately already gotten their sort of punishment for their mistakes ,with the downsizing of the Montreal studio. My point is no one is innocent here, we need to shoulder some of the burden too of our rather toxic reputation. Is it petty and cynical? A bit yeah. I admit that I am not being rational this time around. But maybe we need to be humbled for once so both sides improve for the future, and that eventual sequel we do get is fruitful.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 9, 2017 23:41:36 GMT
... and I hope there is DLC... but not to put then negative nancies in their place (I think wishing for something expressly to "put someone else in there place" is a pretty petty thing to do). I want DLC AND a sequel because I really want to find out more about this great story being woven in this game. As I play more and more of this game... I'm finding that I don't just like it... I LOVE it. It just has a ton of potential and has captured my imagination far and above any previous game I have ever played including the ME Trilogy. Don't get me wrong. I want it too, but at this point I'm gettibg a lot of satisfaction from seeing the crumbling of the hypocrisy on display by people in the community. BioWare has unfortunately already gotten their sort of punishment for their mistakes ,with the download sizing of the Montreal studio. My point is no one is innocent here, we need to shoulder some of the burden too of our rather toxic reputation. I really don't care what anyone else says or thinks about it anymore... all I'm going to say from now on is that I love this game. It's a great game. I'm having a load of fun playing it. Thanks Bioware for making it.
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Post by thelonelypoet on Jul 10, 2017 9:27:52 GMT
I worked as media assistant in a big company. Every single news about this company was carefully read every day and then it was discussed if they should take any action or make corrections / other towards the news. Usually it was the best to remain silent. BioWare/EA's chosen strategy is silence. They aren't taking the steps to a more discussive and open media formula what other companies had took in recent years. I think it is because they have so many different studios with their own agendas. With three (four? + EA's?) it would be ridiculously difficult to control the discussive style. The studios might be very independent and have different working cultures.
And the people of internet aren't very forgiving. Internet remembers every misinformation. More info = probably more drama / misunderstanding between the studios.
That being said I think EA and Bioware need to start to think a new strategy for their PR teams. This isn't working, they cannot get any lower and the mistrust is in there already. In this point, the silence is not making them look steady as my old company. Now the silence is a signal of worry.
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Post by abaris on Jul 10, 2017 11:11:18 GMT
The 10 year thing was mentioned be the devs if I recall. They think MP is God. Provided that they find an audience for their game, it is god. There's always a sufficient amount of people not wanting to grind for progress and open their wallets for microtransactions. MMOs or whatever this is supposed to be, if successful, provide relatively easy money as compared to SP games.
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Post by darkway1 on Jul 10, 2017 11:28:56 GMT
Sure,but is it a normality that we (consumers) should except?..........personally the answer is NO. It's not right that companies preach the importance of communities and fans........and then when it suit's ignore the very people who invest in their products. Well, I mean, that's entirely up to you. If you refuse to buy games because you don't know if there will be any additional content, then that's your personal decision. As for me, I understand that businesses can only say so much. I also understand that Bioware does not have an obligation to its consumer beyond the released product (which they are continuing to support). If you simply didn't like the game and you didn't get the content you wanted, you can get your money back, and that's very different from Bioware abandoning a game. They are not doing that. Your not addressing the point being made. Question....what was the point of including the Quarian ark dialogue at the end of Andromeda ????........answer,to promote debate and speculation regarding what happens next........so when fans and haters actually ask questions regarding Andromeda's ending,Bioware refuses to respond. This has nothing to do with DLC or Bioware's business agenda.......it's about responding to questions generated from Andromeda's own ending. No matter how you view this topic,Bioware's PR stance is nothing short of ignorance,especially when you take into account the state of Andromeda when it was released,I'd expect Bioware to look for way's to earn trust and faith from fans rather than provoke and inflame hot topics. As far as Andromeda and DLC goes,HERE MY SPIN ON THE SITUATION. Andromeda was released unfinished,we are NOT seeing the normal patch/bug process in action,we are actually seeing the game being polished,hence the changes to animations/cut scene's etc. There will be no DLC until the game's foundations are sound,other wise you layer DLC ontop of a work in progress,which generates even more problems........so until Bioware finishes their Andromeda overhaul,they can't say when or if there will be any DLC. I see no issue with Bioware stating exactly what I just said,I have no issue with DLC being cancelled,I have no issue with what ever stance Bioware takes.......but to just remain silent,it's just plain ignorant.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 10, 2017 12:16:36 GMT
Your not addressing the point being made. Then you have to give me more words to understand the point you're trying to make, instead of just saying it's unacceptable. I was simply answering a question about the direction I see Bioware going with regard to communication on their products. They are not different from other gaming companies in that regard. Because it's cut content and they didn't have time to include it so they teased it because they were planning a DLC. That's one interpretation. Bioware is under no obligation to respond. That's also an interpretation. Yes, they actually are going through a normal patching process. Andromeda patch notes They are also polishing the game, but every developer does that too. This is true of every game. Ignorance implies that they have no knowledge of what they're doing. They do. They can't talk future plans for all the reasons Mark Darrah mentioned in his Twitter feed: linkNot liking their response, or lack of one, is different from not understanding their response.
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I worked as media assistant in a big company. Every single news about this company was carefully read every day and then it was discussed if they should take any action or make corrections / other towards the news. Usually it was the best to remain silent. BioWare/EA's chosen strategy is silence. They aren't taking the steps to a more discussive and open media formula what other companies had took in recent years. I think it is because they have so many different studios with their own agendas. With three (four? + EA's?) it would be ridiculously difficult to control the discussive style. The studios might be very independent and have different working cultures. And the people of internet aren't very forgiving. Internet remembers every misinformation. More info = probably more drama / misunderstanding between the studios. That being said I think EA and Bioware need to start to think a new strategy for their PR teams. This isn't working, they cannot get any lower and the mistrust is in there already. In this point, the silence is not making them look steady as my old company. Now the silence is a signal of worry. You answered your own paragraph to why EA's PR team won't change their response because no matter what BioWare says or does it will be twisted to the negative. They cannot change the opinion of the internet regardless of what they have done, people will still bring up Westwood studios from what EA shut them down after half the developers quit the studio and EA tried to finish the game and it failed. At the same time they don't mention Visceral when EA publicly stated they were disappointed in Dead Space 3's sales, but they are now working on Star Wars. Where there is no positive to be found it is best just to ignore it. Besides I really don't think a lot of people really need the confirmation that DLC is being worked on outside of these forums at least that has been my experience with my friends and classmates that played the game. If there is DLC I will probably buy it and no matter what is said will change that.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 13:07:03 GMT
Out of curiosity are they still planning to release the other two books? When will ME:Annihilation be released? Probably that could be a good measurement to see when and if a SP DLC will be released. It kind of make sense to sell those two quite close together.
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Post by cypherj on Jul 10, 2017 13:21:56 GMT
Out of curiosity are they still planning to release the other two books? When will ME:Annihilation be released? Probably that could be a good measurement to see when and if a SP DLC will be released. It kind of make sense to sell those two quite close together. The second book got a release date I thought.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2017 13:25:34 GMT
Out of curiosity are they still planning to release the other two books? When will ME:Annihilation be released? Probably that could be a good measurement to see when and if a SP DLC will be released. It kind of make sense to sell those two quite close together. The second book got a release date I thought. I did a quick google search and I found only a generic summer 2017. Nothing more.
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