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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 3, 2017 19:14:26 GMT
Reporters do do that, I've seen it many times in the four decades I've been alive. I've seen many examples of when an actual quote or context is presented, the story changes dramatically from the reporter's version of what was said. That's why it's good journalism to provide quotes and verifiable sources along with anonymous sources. Yes, sometimes more information is found, but as long as the report was true to its sources, it is still true. Wait, so because that article about the farmer who rescued an alien baby from a UFO crash in his field accurately reported his story, it makes it 'true'? Ayy lmao indeed.
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 3, 2017 19:14:36 GMT
Basically, everyone who believes DLC won't come does so because 'EA/Bioware doesn't say anything'.
Which is kinda hilarious, because they never do that. Bioware DLC 'hypetrain' usually goes something like this:
'Hello, we have some DLC coming up'
2 days later you are playing the DLC.
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Post by rolenka on Jul 3, 2017 19:15:34 GMT
Revenue recognition rules do not apply to paid DLC. Stop saying this. It is when you promise free updates to paid-for content that you have expanded your "contractual obligation" to the customer. And why in the world would you think that? DLC revenue is recognized in the fiscal quarter it's released, not in the fiscal quarter the main game is released. Th e only time this isn't applicable is in the case of a Season Pass when you pay for all DLC beforehand, then the company must recognize that revenue in the quarter that it's released, which is at the same time as the game. Or, in the words of Mark Darrah regarding DLC... I meant the revenue recognition problem, not RR itself.
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Post by haolyn on Jul 3, 2017 19:16:21 GMT
It bothers me as a journalist how easily people assume unnamed sources are just imaginary, and reporters just make stuff up. Even in gaming news, these are people with professional pride in finding the truth and providing it to the public. and getting the public to buy their books
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Post by rolenka on Jul 3, 2017 19:16:28 GMT
Yes, sometimes more information is found, but as long as the report was true to its sources, it is still true. Wait, so because that article about the farmer who rescued an alien baby from a UFO crash in his field accurately reported his story, it makes it 'true'? Ayy lmao indeed. Absolutely. All the reporter said was that the farmer said it, and that never changes.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 3, 2017 19:18:36 GMT
Reporters do do that, I've seen it many times in the four decades I've been alive. I've seen many examples of when an actual quote or context is presented, the story changes dramatically from the reporter's version of what was said. That's why it's good journalism to provide quotes and verifiable sources along with anonymous sources. Yes, sometimes more information is found, but as long as the report was true to its sources, it is still true. In this case, nobody can verify that what the reporter is reporting is true, that remains an inescapable fact. Your argument boils down to "trust the reporter, they're honest! really!" I've seen too much dishonest reporting to blindly believe any reporter. This particular reporter doesn't have an impeccable reputation and the game reporting industry took an enormous plausibility hit during the ME3 debacle. There's also a really weird (and elaborate) Andromeda trolling campaign out there, discovered recently with some "Sinclair Networks" incident. The timing of doubling-down on the Kotaku report is weird when matched up to the timing of the discovery of this troll campaign.
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 3, 2017 19:19:03 GMT
Wait, so because that article about the farmer who rescued an alien baby from a UFO crash in his field accurately reported his story, it makes it 'true'? Ayy lmao indeed. Absolutely. All the reporter said was that the farmer said it, and that never changes. Doesn't make it true though.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 3, 2017 19:19:56 GMT
Basically, everyone who believes DLC won't come does so because 'EA/Bioware doesn't say anything'. Not true at all. I believe most people, me included, were extremely confident that Andromeda would have at least one DLC. I even montioned DS3 to support that. That game also killed a franchise but still got one SP DLC. Not to mention all Bioware games had DLCs. It was only obvious Andromeda would get them as well. What changed this is the news from Kotaku and now Eurogamer. It's a safe bet now that there won't be a single DLC.
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Post by kino on Jul 3, 2017 19:22:44 GMT
And why in the world would you think that? DLC revenue is recognized in the fiscal quarter it's released, not in the fiscal quarter the main game is released. Th e only time this isn't applicable is in the case of a Season Pass when you pay for all DLC beforehand, then the company must recognize that revenue in the quarter that it's released, which is at the same time as the game. Or, in the words of Mark Darrah regarding DLC... I meant the revenue recognition problem, not RR itself. The "revenue recognition problem" is why EA's corporate policy is "we can't talk about future plans." BioWare is EA. They are inextricably linked. Attempting to say that revenue recognition doesn't apply to DLC released after the game is really misleading.
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 3, 2017 19:22:59 GMT
Basically, everyone who believes DLC won't come does so because 'EA/Bioware doesn't say anything'. Not true at all. I believe most people, me included, were extremely confident that Andromeda would have at least one DLC. I even montioned DS3 to support that. That game also killed a franchise but still got one SP DLC. Not to mention all Bioware games had DLCs. It was only obvious Andromeda would get them as well. What changed this is the news from Kotaku and now Eurogamer. It's a safe bet now that there won't be a single DLC. Oh yes, that heavily edited Kotaku article by some guy desperately trying to stay relative because he has a book coming up. That was a good article, definetely not misleading or anything. And now we have this Eurogamer article directly referencing that same article. Sound super credible.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Jul 3, 2017 19:34:22 GMT
It bothers me as a journalist how easily people assume unnamed sources are just imaginary, and reporters just make stuff up. Even in gaming news, these are people with professional pride in finding the truth and providing it to the public. And it bothers me as a fan of journalism that you think that one anonymous source is enough to base an entire story around. Good journalists use anonymous sources, but those sources give direct quotes that can be used, the stories can be backed up with other facts, and there's more often than not a secondary source who goes on the record - not necessarily to back up what the anonymous source is claiming, but to provide context or other details. What whats-his-fuckface did was not journalism. It was a cover-your-ass piece that basically confirmed what this "Sinclair Networks" had said, while acknowledging the fact that... oops, it turns out that Sinclair Networks was an absolute hoax, but we should still believe the information that these hoaxers put out there, because... reasons. And at the same time, it walked back his anonymous source, from someone who worked at Bioware in his earlier stories, to someone who is "familiar with" Bioware now. There's no second source, there's no directly attributable quotes, there's nothing there other than "this dude told me this thing and so you should believe it". I've played Bioware games since BG1. Am I "familiar with" Bioware? Can I send out messages to people so that they can use me as an anonymous source? Blind item: Person "familiar with Bioware" says that Mass Effect Andromeda has really been a hoax this whole time, and that everyone who claims they've played the game is really a sockpuppet that can be traced back to one Lord I.P. Freely who is holding the real Mass Effect Andromeda hostage for a total of one BILLION dollars. Journalism is necessary and important. What Fuckface von Clownstick did, and is doing, is not journalism. Journalists don't go after members of a message board and take screenshots of what they say and post it on twitter for mockery and abuse because their feefees got hurt.
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Post by klijpope on Jul 3, 2017 19:35:26 GMT
So I see a lot of people are at the Bargaining stage. Or are some folk still at Denial?
Personally I've just come through the Depression phase and reached Acceptance (=/= Elite: Dangerous)
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Post by haolyn on Jul 3, 2017 19:39:02 GMT
The fact remains that these DLC sources revealed the news to at least two reporters immediately after the SN hoax. No matter how you splice it it's far too convenient to be a coincidence. I mean, why now? If there was never any DLC planned, why not leak this info to the press closer to the game's release when all eyes were on Andromeda and its failings and the news would have had an even bigger impact? If there was DLC planned but it was only recently cancelled, does this mean Sinclair Network was telling the truth? The fake Sinclair Network that doesn't exist accidentally correctly guessed at the right time that EA just cancelled DLC and immediately after they were exposed at least three people contacted journalists telling them the fake company was correct? Is that what happened?
And what do the anonymous sources gain by revealing this? What is their end goal here? Damaging EA/Bioware's reputation? If the news is true they could have just waited a couple more months and when people saw no DLC coming the result would have been the same, and these sources would have never risked their jobs by violating NDAs to get to the same result.
I just don't understand why it's so important for these anonymous sources that we all be mad at Bioware now.
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Post by rolenka on Jul 3, 2017 19:41:33 GMT
Absolutely. All the reporter said was that the farmer said it, and that never changes. Doesn't make it true though. No, it doesn't make what the source said true, that is correct. I was responding to the separate issue of reporters lying and trying to explain attribution.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 3, 2017 19:42:49 GMT
What changed this is the news from Kotaku and now Eurogamer. It's a safe bet now that there won't be a single DLC. That's the part in contention. I think there's a fair chance there'll be no DLC due to the original Kotaku article, but to suggest its overwhelmingly likely when the only evidence to suggest it depends on the word of a journalist who's since shown himself to be a bit questionable and a story that shares a lot of similarities with an established hoax doesn't make sense. Eurogamer say the same thing now, but as before it's unverified. It's still all matched against the fact that apparently all is well with finances on a game that is still being actively supported with voice actors apparently working in the background. That doesn't all somehow cease to exist.
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Post by rolenka on Jul 3, 2017 19:42:51 GMT
I meant the revenue recognition problem, not RR itself. The "revenue recognition problem" is why EA's corporate policy is "we can't talk about future plans." BioWare is EA. They are inextricably linked. Attempting to say that revenue recognition doesn't apply to DLC released after the game is really misleading. It is a separate product. The rules are the same as for the game itself, which they announce years in advance. They could do the same for DLC because it is a separate sale.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 19:43:21 GMT
So I see a lot of people are at the Bargaining stage. Or are some folk still at Denial? Personally I've just come through the Depression phase and reached Acceptance (=/= Elite: Dangerous) Whose bargaining? I know there is DLC. I'll be playing it one day, months from now. I don't need to bargain for what I know and believe. I just need to have patience and trust and ignore all the naysayers and negative thinkers that believe naysayers because they can't imagine different. Life is good.
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Post by kino on Jul 3, 2017 19:47:18 GMT
The "revenue recognition problem" is why EA's corporate policy is "we can't talk about future plans." BioWare is EA. They are inextricably linked. Attempting to say that revenue recognition doesn't apply to DLC released after the game is really misleading. It is a separate product. The rules are the same as for the game itself, which they announce years in advance. They could do the same for DLC because it is a separate sale. But EA doesn't and that's the point. Maybe ask an EA accountant or finance officer first for clarification on why EA's policy is to treat DLC in this way. Hell, maybe they'll even give an answer.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 3, 2017 19:50:25 GMT
Wait, so because that article about the farmer who rescued an alien baby from a UFO crash in his field accurately reported his story, it makes it 'true'? Ayy lmao indeed. Absolutely. All the reporter said was that the farmer said it, and that never changes. Honest question - is english your first language? What definition of 'true' are you using?
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Post by London on Jul 3, 2017 19:54:36 GMT
If it looks like an ostrich and sounds like an ostrich... Then it's a fluffymothsiren?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 19:56:05 GMT
Hey guys, Montreal Comic Con has a BW panel on July 8th.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 3, 2017 19:56:53 GMT
It is a separate product. The rules are the same as for the game itself, which they announce years in advance. They could do the same for DLC because it is a separate sale. But EA doesn't and that's the point. Maybe ask an EA accountant or finance officer first for clarification on why EA's policy is to treat DLC in this way. Hell, maybe they'll even give an answer. That's... actually pretty good idea. Who lives in US, California here?
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 3, 2017 20:00:18 GMT
Hey guys, Montreal Comic Con has a BW panel on July 8th. Link to Comic Con schedule?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 20:01:32 GMT
Hey guys, Montreal Comic Con has a BW panel on July 8th. Link to Comic Con schedule? It sucks (the schedule link lol), so here's the time, quote and link: 4 to 4:45 PM on July 8th: Join the developers of Mass Effect: Andromeda and learn how they designed and constructed a new galaxy. Learn how the worlds, creatures, and characters came to life from the people who made them. Featuring a brief Q&A with the audience. i8u4ty.attendify.io/#
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 3, 2017 20:03:10 GMT
I remember another story that was very widespread for a while. It also came from "sources who would know." It was something about Obama not being born in America, but instead being born in Kenya...
Luckily the person who spread it never amounted to anything.
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