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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:06:45 GMT
Nah... the only ones unhinged are the trolls and it's glorious!
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 3, 2017 13:14:05 GMT
Nah... the only ones unhinged are the trolls and it's glorious! Right. I'm all for smart criticism and suggestions, but yeah... it's just beating a dead horse. The hype window is long past. The hype window is getting shorter and shorter, but it's usually just six to eight weeks before the media moves on. After that, it just should be asking for help or suggestions. Coming here to bash it without at least trying to cover what you think failed in detail is tiresome. It's like being a teacher and giving a C on a paper and just saying, "Could've been better."
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Post by malgus on Jul 3, 2017 13:15:21 GMT
I'll be disappointed if there is no DLC (and i cannot believe EA would pass up the chance to make money); however I am puzzled as to why some people see it as a reason to celebrate a 'victory. Sociopathy. These people operate on a worldview that anything that isn't made just for them deserve to be dragged down, and the people who make and enjoy those things deserve harassment and abuse, if not to outright die. Yep for many people, Its not enough that they are unhappy about a game. Because if they are, You better be too because they won't accept anything else. Its probably repetitive of me of showing it again but Jim sterling summed it up perfectly, when he spoke about the time where he was insulted not for giving bad score to games that people loved (like witcher 2 and assassin creed 2) but for the positive score he gave to DMC 5. His personal enjoyment of this game was apparently a huge crime in the eyes of the internet... That kind of behavior happened before with pretty much every bioware game. Years before, Mass effect 3 was the game to trash and some were quite vocal about anyone who had anything positive to say about that game, not the ending but the game itself. After that, the hatred turned to dragon age inquisition, sure the game had a critical acclaim but there was still a very vocal part of the internet angry at the enjoyment of others. But it finally exploded with MEA and everybody who had anything positive to say about it was pretty much going into a toxic wasteland whenever they were going into a youtube comment section, reddit and most part of the internet when the release happen in march 2017. BEfore some people get upset, I am not speaking about the people who just did not enjoy any of the previous game I mention. IF you criticized them by saying "I did not liked these games, here's why" no problem, What I am speaking of is harassment and insults to people who had something positive to say, I remember angry joe got tons of people thinking he was paid by EA for giving a positive review of dragon age inquisition. Never mind the fact that he always harshly criticized them for years, but no for a lot of people, if you gave a positive review to DAI, you were a sell out... Even Jim sterling who did not even gave a positive review to MEA was accused of being a sell out to EA, just because he criticized the harassment an EA employee received when some people thought she was responsible for the animation of MEA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:15:50 GMT
Nah... the only ones unhinged are the trolls and it's glorious! Right. I'm all for smart criticism and suggestions, but yeah... it's just beating a dead horse. The hype window is long past. The hype window is getting shorter and shorter, but it's usually just six to eight weeks before the media moves on. After that, it just should be asking for help or suggestions. Coming here to bash it without at least trying to cover what you think failed in detail is tiresome. It's like being a teacher and giving a C on a paper and just saying, "Could've been better." By Christmas everything will have seemed like a bad dream. An amusing one too. We'll look back and laugh.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 3, 2017 13:20:25 GMT
Sociopathy. These people operate on a worldview that anything that isn't made just for them deserve to be dragged down, and the people who make and enjoy those things deserve harassment and abuse, if not to outright die. Yep for many people, Its not enough that they are unhappy about a game. Because if they are, You better be too because they won't accept anything else. Its probably repetitive of me of showing it again but Jim sterling summed it up perfectly, when he spoke about the time where he was insulted not for giving bad score to games that people loved (like witcher 2 and assassin creed 2) but for the positive score he gave to DMC 5. His personal enjoyment of this game was apparently a huge crime in the eyes of the internet... That kind of behavior happened before with pretty much every bioware game. Years before, Mass effect 3 was the game to trash and some were quite vocal about anyone who had anything positive to say about that game, not the ending but the game itself. After that, the hatred turned to dragon age inquisition, sure the game had a critical acclaim but there was still a very vocal part of the internet angry at the enjoyment of others. But it finally exploded with MEA and everybody who had anything positive to say about it was pretty much going into a toxic wasteland whenever they were going into a youtube comment section, reddit and most part of the internet when the release happen in march 2017. BEfore some people get upset, I am not speaking about the people who just did not enjoy any of the previous game I mention. IF you criticized them by saying "I did not liked these games, here's why" no problem, What I am speaking of is harassment and insults to people who had something positive to say, I remember angry joe got tons of people thinking he was paid by EA for giving a positive review of dragon age inquisition. Never mind the fact that he always harshly criticized them for years, but no for a lot of people, if you gave a positive review to DAI, you were a sell out... Even Jim sterling who did not even gave a positive review to MEA was accused of being a sell out to EA, just because he criticized the harassment an EA employee received when some people thought she was responsible for the animation of MEA. Don't forget the death threats and attacks on his webpage and social media account because he dared to give Breath of the Wild a 7 out of 10 while constantly saying he had fun with it, but it has problems.
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Post by PillarBiter on Jul 3, 2017 13:25:26 GMT
I can imagine some bioware employees working on the DLC right now, laughing at every dumb news article appearing again.
"Hey look guys, we're cancelled AGAIN!"
At least it'll be easy for bioware to find out which game journalism website/magazine not to do any interviews with anymore for any upcoming DLC and Anthem.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:27:17 GMT
I can imagine some bioware employees working on the DLC right now, laughing at every dumb news article appearing again. "Hey look guys, we're cancelled AGAIN!" At least it'll be easy for bioware to find out which game journalism website/magazine not to do any interviews with anymore for any upcoming DLC and Anthem. The devs were already laughing at SN's claims and said they will talk about future content when they are allowed to aka when EA says they can. EA isn't dumb though. This shitfest has increased the love for MEA instead of the opposite. They will milk this and gain a lot of profit.
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Post by malgus on Jul 3, 2017 13:28:44 GMT
Don't forget the death threats and attacks on his webpage and social media account because he dared to give Breath of the Wild a 7 out of 10 while constantly saying he had fun with it, but it has problems. But you have to understand them, the metacritic score falled for one percent because of his reviews., it falled from 98 to 97. Which of course meant that people would not buy it, I mean people only buy games that are at least 98 and never lower than that, surely jim sterling made sure breath of the wild had terrible sales... So in this case death threats and DDOS against his sites are totally justified...
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 3, 2017 13:29:15 GMT
Until Bioware make statement either way, it's either coming or not. I'm not going to take notice of any more anonymous sources, or articles fuelled by speculation. I'll be happy if it does, disappointed if it doesn't, but I refuse to let the time between be taken over by an unnecessary emotional "it is/it isn't" roller-coaster. IDK what has happened to journalism in the last couple of years, but this surge of unverifiable anonymous sources, click-bait reporting and filling in the gaps with whatever will have the greatest impact on readers has put me in a state of automatic dismissal of everything I read. It's like everyone has suddenly graduated from the Enquirer. A typical slow news day at KCEN was to run stories (mostly fluff or veiled ads) to fill the time slot. That was two decades ago. Now it's skimming through forums.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 3, 2017 13:31:51 GMT
What a time to be alive. Dead Space 4 pls. And Crysis 4. C&C5 without all the grindy MP shit too. Think you'll have the cash to buy Valve and make HL3 while you're at it? Yes. Like a boss.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 3, 2017 13:45:57 GMT
I just don't get this. This isn't journalism anymore. "Ooh, hey, we have a source too that says no DLC! K? Bye"
That's not a story. That shouldn't even be an entire article. What SHOULD happen is you get a source that states there will be no DLC. They wish to remain anonymous, so you can't give there credentials. Fine. But what you can do then if you are a good journalist is do follow-up research. Ask other people who might be in the know. Look at past DLC practices for Bioware and use those to bolster your facts. Do everything in your power to corroborate the story with other facts. Reporting something like this based on one anonymous source is not journalism.
At my university my friend once reported in our university paper this story about an incident where male students got brutally hazed by members of one of the sororities. It was very graphic, but she had done no follow-up research. Had not gone to the location to find evidence of such goings-on, hadn't asked the police if anyone had made a similar complaint, nothing. In the end no one else came forward and there was no evidence. So did it happen? Maybe, maybe not. A good journalist never writes a story that's 50/50 at being true.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:47:06 GMT
My response to this is the same as to the last one... the task before us that want DLC is to get the message through to Bioware that yes, we want it, we'll buy it, and they can make some money if they decide to make it.
#SavetheQuarians #MEAStoryDLC
The gaming media is making a concerted effort to "depress" the people who liked this game. I simply refuse to become depressed by them.
... anybody wonder if this "source close to Bioware" is a disgruntled former employee... I can think of one who left the company most recently.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:48:09 GMT
I read the whole thing and those assholes made Reddit out to be bad and SN victims, and the comments are about how the hoax wasn't that big a deal.
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Post by ballofbitter on Jul 3, 2017 13:48:31 GMT
Long, Long time lurker here. Hi everyone.
I think my biggest problem with all of this is, the attitude that everyone who would rather just wait for an announcement from bioware (or the hint being strong enough after the 'point of no return') is being branded as being in denial, etc etc etc
Like, it's fine if people want to believe the third handed info, that's great! that works for them. But I know, for myself: I'd prefer to wait for either an announcement from bioware, or to just put the pieces together myself if we were to be 10 months past launch without anything further said. That would be enough for me. But until that point, while keeping my expectations reasonable, I would prefer to wait and see.
I was always taught to have a healthy skepticism when consuming media, and it's honestly frustrating to see that the current attitude of 'if you don't believe everything you read on the internet you're naive!' rhetoric being passed around.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 3, 2017 13:57:17 GMT
This "employee" must have some kind of axe to grind or something. If he/she feels like it's worth the risk to leak out this information to multiple sources, then something bad must being going in BioWare land, if this is true. This "employee" that's "in the know" must have NDA's out the wazoo, because he/she shouldn't be leaking this info, again if true. At this point, all my anger has been consumed by that hoax and Jason. If they come out and say no at this point, I won't be disappointed just relieved--like finally we got an answer.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 13:58:05 GMT
Also this Reese guy says Jorg and the rest are real. That's when I stopped even given them a slight benefit of the doubt. Reddit went on a witch hunt? Really?
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Post by Elfen Lied on Jul 3, 2017 14:02:20 GMT
Well, all this rumoring based on nothing other than speculations is just becoming annoying. I have the right answer here ready for all these "journalists". Can't wait to post it in their honor if and when a SP DLC will be released.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:04:35 GMT
Also the comments about posting their info online and invading their privacy. Sound like something we accused a certain someone of a day ago?
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Post by zan on Jul 3, 2017 14:07:12 GMT
As much as I'd like to keep believing that there is a DLC in the works, one has to be wary about the way the big wigs in EA determine the future of the game. I highly doubt they read the forums and even go looking for feedback past the metacritic. Oh the game has worst reviews of the entire franchise and pretty much worst of all the BW games. Must be crap, lets stop investing in it. Given a decent story DLC or two, MEA could have been made into the best game of the franchise, but low scores could have prevented it from happening. DAI without DLCs is hardly an amazing game (partly due to Frostbite as well), but it got showered with awards and got a GOTY which allowed the developers to make it into a much much better game. I am afraid MEA might not get such luxury.
Granted this is also a speculation, but without hard data, its all anyone can do at this point.
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Post by link2twenty on Jul 3, 2017 14:08:14 GMT
Also this Reese guy says Jorg and the rest are real. That's when I stopped even given them a slight benefit of the doubt. Reddit went on a witch hunt? Really? Yeah, They were clearly aliases...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:08:29 GMT
This "employee" must have some kind of axe to grind or something. If he/she feels like it's worth the risk to leak out this information to multiple sources, then something bad must being going in BioWare land, if this is true. This "employee" that's "in the know" must have NDA's out the wazoo, because he/she shouldn't be leaking this info, again if true. At this point, all my anger has been consumed by that hoax and Jason. If they come out and say no at this point, I won't be disappointed just relieved--like finally we got an answer. It's not even a BioWare employee. It's a "source close to BioWare". Make of that what you will, because what these hacks want you to make of it is "these people totally know 100% what BioWare is doing, moreso than BioWare themselves teasing future content". Also the comments about posting their info online and invading their privacy. Sound like something we accused a certain someone of a day ago? Won't somebody please think of the lying fraudsters who literally do not exist?!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:10:44 GMT
As much as I'd like to keep believing that there is a DLC in the works, one has to be wary about the way the big wigs in EA determine the future of the game. I highly doubt they read the forums and even go looking for feedback past the metacritic. Oh the game has worst reviews of the entire franchise and pretty much worst of all the BW games. Must be crap, lets stop investing in it. Given a decent story DLC or two, MEA could have been made into the best game of the franchise, but low scores could have prevented it from happening. DAI without DLCs is hardly an amazing game (partly due to Frostbite as well), but it got showered with awards and got a GOTY which allowed the developers to make it into a much much better game. I am afraid MEA might not get such luxury. Granted this is also a speculation, but without hard data, its all anyone can do at this point. I won't defend EA but they did let BW use time and resources to add certain things to patch 1.08 that would not gain them any profit except more people buying the game, so I do think they consider the fans to an extent.
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Post by ballofbitter on Jul 3, 2017 14:14:31 GMT
That's another thing that honestly confuses me so much, the game was already well past the rocky launch when jaal was patched in as bi, to the point of bringing in animators and the va's back in, which had to have costed ea something. It just baffles me that they'd greenlight that much to a game they had no intention of doing anything further with, especially considering SP has nothing to do with MP, if that's all they intended on milking.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:15:28 GMT
I'll be disappointed if there is no DLC (and i cannot believe EA would pass up the chance to make money); however I am puzzled as to why some people see it as a reason to celebrate a 'victory. Victory over what exactly? Having the option to pay to have some more of something you enjoy? That's just fucking weird, and honestly just tells me there is more than just not liking ME:A (which is fine, there is nothing that says you have to like everything) at work. Who are theses people? I've seen precisely ONE person on these forums acting like a dick about the possible/probable cancellation of DLC (I can't find anywhere else except reddit even talking about ME:A). Yet all I keep reading here is that there is some mega conspiracy against ME:A. It is frankly bizarre. DLC will come out or they won't. In the meantime the reactions here are making many of you you look unhinged. Personally, I've counted 3 people... but that's neither here nor there. Also, exaggeration seems to be a common thing here... who's calling this a mega-conspiracy... except the people who want to call out the positive side here. Unprofessional reporting is just that - unprofessional. The media, in this case, has engaged us in unprofessional ways and they are still refusing to verify their sources. One source was verified by Bioware itself as being a hoax. We still don't know why they resorted to mocking forum members on twitter. They are unapologetic at this point... but they did do it. We're just saying that, as a result of their actions, we don't believe them. We're also now saying, regardless, it's still possible to convince EA and Bioware to produce DLC for this game. We want DLC, so we're going to try to convince them to make it... to convince them that, despite somewhat lackluster sales for ME:A, they can still make some money with DLC. It beats lying around being sad and depressed because some unverified source has said that they're not currently planning to make DLC. If they're not currently planning it... we want to tell them we would like them to start planning it. #SavetheQuarians #MEAStoryDLC Have a nice day.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:16:32 GMT
As much as I'd like to keep believing that there is a DLC in the works, one has to be wary about the way the big wigs in EA determine the future of the game. I highly doubt they read the forums and even go looking for feedback past the metacritic. Oh the game has worst reviews of the entire franchise and pretty much worst of all the BW games. Must be crap, lets stop investing in it. Given a decent story DLC or two, MEA could have been made into the best game of the franchise, but low scores could have prevented it from happening. DAI without DLCs is hardly an amazing game (partly due to Frostbite as well), but it got showered with awards and got a GOTY which allowed the developers to make it into a much much better game. I am afraid MEA might not get such luxury. Granted this is also a speculation, but without hard data, its all anyone can do at this point. Which of these things do you think EA would care more about? - A bunch of pathological trolls who hurl abuse and threats at their developers, and the tabloid hacks who pander to them in trying to paint it as the worst game ever because of minor animation issues?
- The cold hard cash from sales, which by all accounts (most importantly, EA's accounts) has met their expectations and they're pleased with it?
And let's not pretend the people devoting their lives to whining about ME:A don't do the exact same thing with DA:I. And DA:I got DLC, regardless of all the people whining about how BioWare deserves to die because Inquisition isn't exactly like Origins. EA wants to make money, and there is a clear and obvious market for ME:A DLC. They will not ignore it.
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