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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:16:56 GMT
That's another thing that honestly confuses me so much, the game was already well past the rocky launch when jaal was patched in as bi, to the point of bringing in animators and the va's back in, which had to have costed ea something. It just baffles me that they'd greenlight that much to a game they had no intention of doing anything further with, especially considering SP has nothing to do with MP, if that's all they intended on milking. Yeah and Tom, Nyasha and Gamble all said they were new lines. The actors returned to voice them, they had writers write the romance and animators give Scott/Jaal new scenes that are nothing like Sara's. It took 2 months to make it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:23:02 GMT
Actually are the names that worked for patch 1.08 in the credits at the end of the game? That will tell us who made the content.
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Until Bioware make statement either way, it's either coming or not. I'm not going to take notice of any more anonymous sources, or articles fuelled by speculation. I'll be happy if it does, disappointed if it doesn't, but I refuse to let the time between be taken over by an unnecessary emotional "it is/it isn't" roller-coaster.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 3, 2017 14:31:33 GMT
This "employee" must have some kind of axe to grind or something. If he/she feels like it's worth the risk to leak out this information to multiple sources, then something bad must being going in BioWare land, if this is true. This "employee" that's "in the know" must have NDA's out the wazoo, because he/she shouldn't be leaking this info, again if true. At this point, all my anger has been consumed by that hoax and Jason. If they come out and say no at this point, I won't be disappointed just relieved--like finally we got an answer. It's not even a BioWare employee. It's a "source close to BioWare". Make of that what you will, because what these hacks want you to make of it is "these people totally know 100% what BioWare is doing, moreso than BioWare themselves teasing future content". Also the comments about posting their info online and invading their privacy. Sound like something we accused a certain someone of a day ago? Won't somebody please think of the lying fraudsters who literally do not exist?! I know, but how else would this "source" get this info? It's got to come from an employee. Now, it's possible that the "source" is similar to shinobi602 were he is close to several devs and he is "in the know" well before the general public should. Oddly, though he hasn't said a peep regarding these rumors. Shinobi has a history of "leaking" out info early and being right. Yea, we don't have name compared to shinobi, but that's my assumption.
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This "employee" must have some kind of axe to grind or something. If he/she feels like it's worth the risk to leak out this information to multiple sources, then something bad must being going in BioWare land, if this is true. This "employee" that's "in the know" must have NDA's out the wazoo, because he/she shouldn't be leaking this info, again if true. At this point, all my anger has been consumed by that hoax and Jason. If they come out and say no at this point, I won't be disappointed just relieved--like finally we got an answer. Where do you extend the idea that the source being a disgruntled former employee means that there must be "something bad" going on within Bioware. There's no evidence of that even if it is a disgruntled employee. From my business experience (which is pretty extensive at my age), people get "tossed" from their employee for a variety of reasons and a percentage of them react very strongly regardless of the reasons they are let go. Some lash back at the business and some will even ignore NDAs to do so. If the sources are true, then either some current employee is breaking an NDA or some former employee is breaking an NDA or else they are simply a guy like me who really doesn't know shit about what's going on in Bioware's board room. Take your pick.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:33:48 GMT
Until Bioware make statement either way, it's either coming or not. I'm not going to take notice of any more anonymous sources, or articles fuelled by speculation. I'll be happy if it does, disappointed if it doesn't, but I refuse to let the time between be taken over by an unnecessary emotional "it is/it isn't" roller-coaster.
IDK what has happened to journalism in the last couple of years, but this surge of unverifiable anonymous sources, click-bait reporting and filling in the gaps with whatever will have the greatest impact on readers has put me in a state of automatic dismissal of everything I read. It's like everyone has suddenly graduated from the Enquirer. That's kind of how I'm playing it too tbh. Whilst I hope MEA gets DLC as I think it needs it to cover up it's loose ends and I'd be disappointed if it dosen't get it I'll move on. There are plenty of other games out there that I can enjoy playing and wiill I'm sure. We still have the main MEA game to continue to enjoy as well if we want if we choose to go through it again. If MEA gets DLC great I'll buy and play if it dosen't I'll move on to something else that interests me. Or go back to one of my old games no big deal What I love about MEA is except for a few continuation stories they should let us play after dangling it in front of us in-game, the MEA story itself ended perfectly, and even your LI and you get a happy ending with closure. I will never feel cheated if no DLC comes. I got my happy ending.
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Post by kino on Jul 3, 2017 14:36:59 GMT
Sure are a lot of anonymous sources out there these days, that's all I got to say. Time will tell.
At least Eurogamer did a better job of breaking down the SN bit rather than glossing it over.
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Post by rahavan on Jul 3, 2017 14:38:35 GMT
That's kind of how I'm playing it too tbh. Whilst I hope MEA gets DLC as I think it needs it to cover up it's loose ends and I'd be disappointed if it dosen't get it I'll move on. There are plenty of other games out there that I can enjoy playing and wiill I'm sure. We still have the main MEA game to continue to enjoy as well if we want if we choose to go through it again. If MEA gets DLC great I'll buy and play if it dosen't I'll move on to something else that interests me. Or go back to one of my old games no big deal What I love about MEA is except for a few continuation stories they should let us play after dangling it in front of us in-game, the MEA story itself ended perfectly, and even your LI and you get a happy ending with closure. I will never feel cheated if no DLC comes. I got my happy ending. I would agree with you except for the fact that the Kett are a still an active threat and want to exalt everyone in the cluster regardless of your ending.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 3, 2017 14:38:36 GMT
This "employee" must have some kind of axe to grind or something. If he/she feels like it's worth the risk to leak out this information to multiple sources, then something bad must being going in BioWare land, if this is true. This "employee" that's "in the know" must have NDA's out the wazoo, because he/she shouldn't be leaking this info, again if true. At this point, all my anger has been consumed by that hoax and Jason. If they come out and say no at this point, I won't be disappointed just relieved--like finally we got an answer. Where do you extend the idea that the source being a disgruntled former employee means that there must be "something bad" going on within Bioware. There's not evidence of that even if it is a disgruntled employee. From my business experience (which is pretty extensive at my age), people get "tossed" from their employee for a variety of reasons and a percentage of them react very strongly regardless of the reasons they are let go. Some lash back at the business and some will even ignore NDAs to do so. If the sources are true, then either some current employee is breaking an NDA or some former employee is breaking an NDA or else they are simply a guy like me who really doesn't know shit about what's going on in Bioware's board room. Take your pick. He/she wouldn't be breaking NDA if things were all fine and dandy at BioWare. I highly doubt BioWare would just let in rando's into their studio to be "in the know". That's to much of a risk for someone to leak something.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 3, 2017 14:39:43 GMT
I know, but how else would this "source" get this info? It's got to come from an employee. Not necessarily. In fact, given the behaviour on twitter of bioware employees, I'd be very surprised if it is a bioware employee. I'd be much more inclined to believe it's some kind of support staff - cleaners, hardware contractors, building admin, whatever. I don't really understand why an employee from a company so clearly staffed by highly motivated people would just randomly hand info like this out under cover of anonymity. If they were that annoyed then surely they would have simply left. This all assumes that the source is a) real and in a position to know what they claim. The recent antics with sinclair have demonstrated we can't really assume that as a given.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:41:00 GMT
Where do you extend the idea that the source being a disgruntled former employee means that there must be "something bad" going on within Bioware. There's not evidence of that even if it is a disgruntled employee. From my business experience (which is pretty extensive at my age), people get "tossed" from their employee for a variety of reasons and a percentage of them react very strongly regardless of the reasons they are let go. Some lash back at the business and some will even ignore NDAs to do so. If the sources are true, then either some current employee is breaking an NDA or some former employee is breaking an NDA or else they are simply a guy like me who really doesn't know shit about what's going on in Bioware's board room. Take your pick. He/she wouldn't be breaking NDA if things were all fine and dandy at BioWare. I highly doubt BioWare would just let in rando's into their studio to be "in the know". That's to much of a risk for someone to leak something. Not true... as I said, some disgruntled employees get vocal just because they personally did not like being let go. One Bioware employee in particular recently left the company to the applause of the fans... what makes you think that he wouldn't possibly be upset about it. There is also a little matter of "severance pay" - which can involve a sort of "gag order" for a period of time. If the source is a person like me who doesn't know jack shit...then that just means the source being alluded to by the media is, in fact, not reliable. That the information that source is providing is inaccurate and we can't trust the story. You can certainly make your decision whether or not you want to believe this story or not. It still doesn't change the fact that there is still an opportunity to convince Bioware/EA to produce DLC for this game. They just need some assurance that enough people out here are willing to buy it that they'll be able to foresee a profit if they make it. #SavetheQuarians #MEAStoryDLC
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 14:41:02 GMT
What I love about MEA is except for a few continuation stories they should let us play after dangling it in front of us in-game, the MEA story itself ended perfectly, and even your LI and you get a happy ending with closure. I will never feel cheated if no DLC comes. I got my happy ending. I would agree with you except for the fact that the Kett are a still an active threat and want to exalt everyone in the cluster regardless of your ending. That wouldn't be a DLC though, but MEA2, which they seem to still intend in a fear years. Seeing as the books are centering on the Benefactor and Quarians, I bet they will be our DLC's. Benefactor would be like a Shadow Broker DLC, and the Quarian Ark would be the final DLC.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 3, 2017 14:47:16 GMT
I know, but how else would this "source" get this info? It's got to come from an employee. Not necessarily. In fact, given the behaviour on twitter of bioware employees, I'd be very surprised if it is a bioware employee. I'd be much more inclined to believe it's some kind of support staff - cleaners, hardware contractors, building admin, whatever. I don't really understand why an employee from a company so clearly staffed by highly motivated people would just randomly hand info like this out under cover of anonymity. If they were that annoyed then surely they would have simply left. This all assumes that the source is a) real and in a position to know what they claim. The recent antics with sinclair have demonstrated we can't really assume that as a given. You really think a support staff person would give a damn about this? Their just doing there jobs and what they get paid to do and nothing more. I highly doubt that. An animator or a dev that's not on Twitter; who was hired or part of this "empty computer desks" job, would be more likely cause trouble cause they don't have a job anymore or perhaps even cared about the project they were working on. I know I would be pissed if I got moved to some other job that I didn't care about, creatively speaking.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 3, 2017 14:53:35 GMT
I know, but how else would this "source" get this info? It's got to come from an employee. Not necessarily. In fact, given the behaviour on twitter of bioware employees, I'd be very surprised if it is a bioware employee. I'd be much more inclined to believe it's some kind of support staff - cleaners, hardware contractors, building admin, whatever. I don't really understand why an employee from a company so clearly staffed by highly motivated people would just randomly hand info like this out under cover of anonymity. If they were that annoyed then surely they would have simply left. This all assumes that the source is a) real and in a position to know what they claim. The recent antics with sinclair have demonstrated we can't really assume that as a given. And here's a thing. As Jason from Kotaku says his sources are "familiar with BioWare", Tom from Eurogamer states his source is someone "close with BioWare". So in both cases, source is not someone working for BioWare. And it's not that difficult to say source is BioWare employee, as well you won't ruin their anonymity. In fact, that's what Jason did with his story about ME:A's troubled development. Not only he outright states it is a BioWare employees, but also he directly quotes that employee's statements, while keeping his/hers anonymity safe. But with ME:A being put on ice and no more DLC's? Source is "familiar with BioWare", and in Tom's case "close with BioWare", but also no direct quotes either are revealed. These sort of anonymous sources can be easily dismissed as unfounded rumours.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 3, 2017 14:56:36 GMT
You really think a support staff person would give a damn about this? If they were paid for the story, of course. I find it far more likely that someone with access to Bioware real estate but who has no vested interest in the success of their work would choose to leak details then someone who does their job in large part because they're passionate about what they do. Not to mention it sounds far more plausible than a dev randomly deciding to break all their NDAs by handing over info to the very same people who've be pushing the whole 'MEA sucks/Montreal are the Z-team' bs. It doesn't make sense. An added dimension to this is that the likelihood of the source being reliable actually goes down if they're bioware - because ultimately we have someone who's angry enough to disregard their NDA. In my experience, people who go that far can't be totally trusted to be rational or truthful, for many reasons.
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It's not even a BioWare employee. It's a "source close to BioWare". Make of that what you will, because what these hacks want you to make of it is "these people totally know 100% what BioWare is doing, moreso than BioWare themselves teasing future content". Won't somebody please think of the lying fraudsters who literally do not exist?! I know, but how else would this "source" get this info? It's got to come from an employee. Now, it's possible that the "source" is similar to shinobi602 were he is close to several devs and he is "in the know" well before the general public should. Oddly, though he hasn't said a peep regarding these rumors. Shinobi has a history of "leaking" out info early and being right. Yea, we don't have name compared to shinobi, but that's my assumption. Off the top of my head, there could be outside security for the buildings, people hired to do janitorial work, if they are leasing a building anyone else that has leased space in those buildings, voice actors, temporary hires, and there could be more that I am not thinking of of. A lot of the comments that Jason made in a couple of his articles don't mention any specifics just "no DLC", "empty computers", "Montreal closed" nothing specific that only a BioWare employee would know.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 3, 2017 15:01:02 GMT
An added dimension to this is that the likelihood of the source being reliable actually goes down if they're bioware - because ultimately we have someone who's angry enough to disregard their NDA. In my experience, people who go that far can't be totally trusted to be rational or truthful, for many reasons. Oh, oh, ooh! I know! It was Manvieer Heir who leaked it! He's on petty revenge for BioWare not extending his contract! As well for not enough white men killings in ME:A! It all makes sense now!!! No it doesn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 15:01:23 GMT
I know, but how else would this "source" get this info? It's got to come from an employee. Now, it's possible that the "source" is similar to shinobi602 were he is close to several devs and he is "in the know" well before the general public should. Oddly, though he hasn't said a peep regarding these rumors. Shinobi has a history of "leaking" out info early and being right. Yea, we don't have name compared to shinobi, but that's my assumption. Off the top of my head, there could be outside security for the buildings, people hired to do janitorial work, if they are leasing a building anyone else that has leased space in those buildings, voice actors, temporary hires, and there could be more that I am not thinking of of. A lot of the comments that Jason made in a couple of his articles don't mention any specifics just "no DLC", "empty computers", "Montreal closed" nothing specific that only a BioWare employee would know. That's why I asked if anyone is credited for patch 1.08 at the end of the game. Many people worked on it, so where did they write, animate and voice it?
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Post by kino on Jul 3, 2017 15:02:40 GMT
Not necessarily. In fact, given the behaviour on twitter of bioware employees, I'd be very surprised if it is a bioware employee. I'd be much more inclined to believe it's some kind of support staff - cleaners, hardware contractors, building admin, whatever. I don't really understand why an employee from a company so clearly staffed by highly motivated people would just randomly hand info like this out under cover of anonymity. If they were that annoyed then surely they would have simply left. This all assumes that the source is a) real and in a position to know what they claim. The recent antics with sinclair have demonstrated we can't really assume that as a given. And here's a thing. As Jason from Kotaku says his sources are "familiar with BioWare", Tom from Eurogamer states his source is someone "close with BioWare". So in both cases, source is not someone working for BioWare. And it's not that difficult to say source is BioWare employee, as well you won't ruin their anonymity. In fact, that's what Jason did with his story about ME:A's troubled development. Not only he outright states it is a BioWare employees, but also he directly quotes that employee's statements, while keeping his/hers anonymity safe. But with ME:A being put on ice and no more DLC's? Source is "familiar with BioWare", and in Tom's case "close with BioWare", but also no direct quotes either are revealed. These sort of anonymous sources can be easily dismissed as unfounded rumours. The most humorous part of this is the DLC story isn't the main point of the Eurogamer story, it just pops up in the last part of the article. At least he actually tracked down someone who was involved with SN, even if that involvement was only tangentially.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 3, 2017 15:05:22 GMT
Off the top of my head, there could be outside security for the buildings, people hired to do janitorial work, if they are leasing a building anyone else that has leased space in those buildings, voice actors, temporary hires, and there could be more that I am not thinking of of. A lot of the comments that Jason made in a couple of his articles don't mention any specifics just "no DLC", "empty computers", "Montreal closed" nothing specific that only a BioWare employee would know. That's why I asked if anyone is credited for patch 1.08 at the end of the game. Many people worked on it, so where did they write, animate and voice it? I have never seen specific credits for patches, just DLC. They could even just modify the base credits to add people to working on the main game and not just the patch then.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 15:07:00 GMT
That's why I asked if anyone is credited for patch 1.08 at the end of the game. Many people worked on it, so where did they write, animate and voice it? I have never seen specific credits for patches, just DLC. They could even just modify the base credits to add people to working on the main game and not just the patch then. You'd think names would be added if there were different people working on it. If not, it was done in Montreal or Edmonton. Melo said they do the DLC/Patches and he's in Edmonton, so it's one of the two most likely.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 3, 2017 15:07:29 GMT
Off the top of my head, there could be outside security for the buildings, people hired to do janitorial work, if they are leasing a building anyone else that has leased space in those buildings, voice actors, temporary hires, and there could be more that I am not thinking of of. A lot of the comments that Jason made in a couple of his articles don't mention any specifics just "no DLC", "empty computers", "Montreal closed" nothing specific that only a BioWare employee would know. That's why I asked if anyone is credited for patch 1.08 at the end of the game. Many people worked on it, so where did they write, animate and voice it? I am almost at the end of my 3rd PT, so I ´ ll let you know, if someone else won ´ t do it before me, of course
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Post by gplayer on Jul 3, 2017 15:15:10 GMT
Not disclosing anonymous sources is how reporters get scoops. That being said, this article really does not say much of anything. It talked about the hoax, and then said no comment from EA. Its really not much of an article.
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