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Post by smilesja on Jul 11, 2017 18:09:29 GMT
But your opinon is more flesh out and detailed. It is more detailed, however one doesn't need to go all the way to still come to a conclusion " I don't like insert name because of insert reason". I played the EA ten hour trial pre launch, I already had issues before the game came out with its progression system, the concept of hazards on worlds (cool idea but annoying how it's executed), the character creator, even part of the dialogue (and you could get a good few hours of nothing but dialogue in that ten hour period). The only reason to me to finish a game is to get the full understanding of a story. Stories can easily start off rocky, bland, boring, etc etc but then get better as it progresses or it could even be backwards where it's starting off great but then you end up with ME3. books are the same way. If they start off not going into character details or expanding in the plot and is just "stuff to read", why should one think it'll get better? I've stopped reading various books because most likely that would just continue on with the rest, doesn't mean it will, but what's to say it won't? Time could be better spent finding the next thing rather than hoping that your current project gets better. id be curious just to see what the responses would be had suikoden put 400 hours into the game but still says he disliked it. How many would say he's pretending to dislike it? It seems to be popular for people to do with people not approving of a game. "You haven't played enough to judge" or "you clearly like the game if you've played 100 hours". To me it's just a situation where you're always damned cause people don't care what you've to say. I've got 1,300 hours in destiny and that's the response I get from people, clearly my playtime must mean I like it right? It couldn't just be that I have 1.3k hours to strengthen my critique cause that's 1.3 hours to better understand it. Not to mention there are yourubers out there that record gameplay that people can look at. Watching or playing one can still judge if a cutscene is bad, or if what someone says is awful, etc etc. Again you are criticizing an RPG based off a small sample size. When reviewing games, it is important to at least complete the campaign so you can have an idea of what the story is like. First impression is important, but they are not the be all end all otherwise I'll get bored of Fallout: New Vegas and The Witcher 2 If I play them for the first few hours. |
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Post by smilesja on Jul 11, 2017 18:10:31 GMT
That's what YouTube is for. I'm confident it remains rotten throughout. I feel bad for you if you think watching porn and having sex is anything the same. It actually does feel lazy to watch gameplay on Youtube when writing reviews. |
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 11, 2017 18:16:43 GMT
It is more detailed, however one doesn't need to go all the way to still come to a conclusion " I don't like insert name because of insert reason". I played the EA ten hour trial pre launch, Ialready had issues before thegame came out with its progression system, the concept of hazards on worlds (cool idea but annoying how it's executed), the character creator, even part of the dialogue (and you could get a good few hours of nothing but dialogue in that ten hour period). The only reason to me to finish a game is to get the full understanding of a story. Stories can easily start off rocky, bland, boring, etc etc but then get better as it progresses or it could even be backwards where it's starting off great but then you end up with ME3. books are the same way. If they start off not going into character details or expanding in the plot and is just "stuff to read", why should one think it'll get better? I've stopped reading various books because most likely that would just continue on with the rest, doesn't mean it will, but what's to say it won't? Time could be better spent finding the next thing rather than hoping that your current project gets better. id be curious just to see what the responses would be had suikoden put 400 hours into the game but still says he disliked it. How many would say he's pretending to dislike it? It seems to be popular for people to do with people not approving of a game. "You haven't played enough to judge" or "you clearly like the game if you've played 100 hours". To me it's just a situation where you're always damned cause people don't care what you've to say. I've got 1,300 hours in destiny and that's the response I get from people, clearly my playtime must mean I like it right? It couldn't just be that I have 1.3k hours to strengthen my critique cause that's 1.3 hours to better understand it. Not to mention there are yourubers out there that record gameplay that people can look at. Watching or playing one can still judge if a cutscene is bad, or if what someone says is awful, etc etc. This isn't about liking the game or deciding you don't want to play it. Reasonably, if you don't like the first hours of a game, no one can fault you for putting it down and not playing it. However, if you are going to make post after post after post criticising a game based on a small sample of the game, that's disingenuous. You don't really know the full tone, you can't judge all the writing, loyalty missions, ending, character growth, etc. Try judging "Full Metal Jacket" on the first 20 minutes. I dare you. Is the first 20 minutes representative of the whole movie? Not even a little. You can decide you don't like it in those 20 minutes, fine, but critiquing the entire movie based on those 20 minutes is ludicrous. You say ludicrous I say reasonable. The story to Andromeda starts bland all the way through to me, had I just played only ten hours I'd still stand by it. Ten hours is more than enough to judge the combat, the progression system, the nomad, how the dialogue system is setup, etc etc. the only reason to even finish Andromeda is to judge the entirety of the story, but the game can easily be judged everywhere else. i haven't seen FMJ in a long time so I can't even remember it (besides it being a military movie) but I could bet one could easily judge how the setup is started(is it professional work? Amateur work? Homemade?), the actors performance, how it moves along from intro into the meat of the movie. Regardless the point was ten hours "for" Andromeda is reasonable time, I'd argue twenty minutes for most movies today would be as well. One minute, 5 minutes, 10 would be unreasonable but hours into a game is very reasonable to me for one to judge the bulk of its setup and a lot of movies aren't long or they're more CGI BS that 20 minutes would be enough to say if it's crap or not. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 11, 2017 18:17:22 GMT
It is more detailed, however one doesn't need to go all the way to still come to a conclusion " I don't like insert name because of insert reason". I played the EA ten hour trial pre launch, I already had issues before the game came out with its progression system, the concept of hazards on worlds (cool idea but annoying how it's executed), the character creator, even part of the dialogue (and you could get a good few hours of nothing but dialogue in that ten hour period). The only reason to me to finish a game is to get the full understanding of a story. Stories can easily start off rocky, bland, boring, etc etc but then get better as it progresses or it could even be backwards where it's starting off great but then you end up with ME3. books are the same way. If they start off not going into character details or expanding in the plot and is just "stuff to read", why should one think it'll get better? I've stopped reading various books because most likely that would just continue on with the rest, doesn't mean it will, but what's to say it won't? Time could be better spent finding the next thing rather than hoping that your current project gets better. id be curious just to see what the responses would be had suikoden put 400 hours into the game but still says he disliked it. How many would say he's pretending to dislike it? It seems to be popular for people to do with people not approving of a game. "You haven't played enough to judge" or "you clearly like the game if you've played 100 hours". To me it's just a situation where you're always damned cause people don't care what you've to say. I've got 1,300 hours in destiny and that's the response I get from people, clearly my playtime must mean I like it right? It couldn't just be that I have 1.3k hours to strengthen my critique cause that's 1.3 hours to better understand it. Not to mention there are yourubers out there that record gameplay that people can look at. Watching or playing one can still judge if a cutscene is bad, or if what someone says is awful, etc etc. This isn't about liking the game or deciding you don't want to play it. Reasonably, if you don't like the first hours of a game, no one can fault you for putting it down and not playing it. However, if you are going to make post after post after post criticising a game based on a small sample of the game, that's disingenuous. You don't really know the full tone, you can't judge all the writing, loyalty missions, ending, character growth, etc. Try judging "Full Metal Jacket" on the first 20 minutes. I dare you. Is the first 20 minutes representative of the whole movie? Not even a little. You can decide you don't like it in those 20 minutes, fine, but critiquing the entire movie based on those 20 minutes is ludicrous. That's what metacritic is for. 10 hours was actually 9 hours too much - my impression was the same after 1 and did not change. For me it was not the Mass Effect experience, it was Dora the explorer in space. |
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Post by vonuber on Jul 11, 2017 18:21:27 GMT
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 11, 2017 18:23:38 GMT
It is more detailed, however one doesn't need to go all the way to still come to a conclusion " I don't like insert name because of insert reason". I played the EA ten hour trial pre launch, I already had issues before the game came out with its progression system, the concept of hazards on worlds (cool idea but annoying how it's executed), the character creator, even part of the dialogue (and you could get a good few hours of nothing but dialogue in that ten hour period). The only reason to me to finish a game is to get the full understanding of a story. Stories can easily start off rocky, bland, boring, etc etc but then get better as it progresses or it could even be backwards where it's starting off great but then you end up with ME3. books are the same way. If they start off not going into character details or expanding in the plot and is just "stuff to read", why should one think it'll get better? I've stopped reading various books because most likely that would just continue on with the rest, doesn't mean it will, but what's to say it won't? Time could be better spent finding the next thing rather than hoping that your current project gets better. id be curious just to see what the responses would be had suikoden put 400 hours into the game but still says he disliked it. How many would say he's pretending to dislike it? It seems to be popular for people to do with people not approving of a game. "You haven't played enough to judge" or "you clearly like the game if you've played 100 hours". To me it's just a situation where you're always damned cause people don't care what you've to say. I've got 1,300 hours in destiny and that's the response I get from people, clearly my playtime must mean I like it right? It couldn't just be that I have 1.3k hours to strengthen my critique cause that's 1.3 hours to better understand it. Not to mention there are yourubers out there that record gameplay that people can look at. Watching or playing one can still judge if a cutscene is bad, or if what someone says is awful, etc etc. Again you are criticizing an RPG based off a small sample size. When reviewing games, it is important to at least complete the campaign so you can have an idea of what the story is like. First impression is important, but they are not the be all end all otherwise I'll get bored of Fallout: New Vegas and The Witcher 2 If I play them for the first few hours. I already said you have to beat the game to understand the story, but you don't need to for the combat, exploration, dialogue, creator, progression, etc etc. there's a reason why they have demos or betas and why they're only so long, it's just enough to give people impressions on it but not enough to spoil the entirety of the game if they end up picking it up. |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 11, 2017 18:25:24 GMT
Okay, but I literally cringe at Javik's mission in the Citadel DLC. So dumb that it just doesn't work for me. Even though I adore Javik. Yes, bringing the joke back the second time for Citadel, was not good. As I said earlier, most of Citadel's humor is just...too much for me, normally. The ONLY thing I would actually keep, is the whole Traynor's Toothbrush joke when they break into Normandy. But thats me. That's funny as I loved that part. Javik: "This Prothean wishes he was still in the Refrigerator!" lol 😂 |
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Post by vonuber on Jul 11, 2017 18:28:19 GMT
The first ten hours of mass effect 1 for me were really shit. I first played it in 2013, not knowing anything about it or the furore around ME3, after picking it up cheap on steam.
Just as well I didn't do a suikoden and quit to watch the rest on youtube to form my judgment eh.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 11, 2017 18:32:06 GMT
The first ten hours of mass effect 1 for me were really shit. I first played it in 2013, not knowing anything about it or the furore around ME3, after picking it up cheap on steam. Just as well I didn't do a suikoden and quit to watch the rest on youtube to form my judgment eh. Yup good decision. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 11, 2017 18:43:39 GMT
The first ten hours of mass effect 1 for me were really shit. I first played it in 2013, not knowing anything about it or the furore around ME3, after picking it up cheap on steam. Just as well I didn't do a suikoden and quit to watch the rest on youtube to form my judgment eh. You sound like more of a casual gamer then - if you've played enough games and know what you like/dislike/whatscrap - you can probably make more efficient decisions/conclusions regarding a game. It's also unreasonable to expect a customer to sink 100 hours into something to see if it gets better - if Bioware failed in the crucial first ten... that's on them. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 11, 2017 18:44:22 GMT
For me it was not the Mass Effect experience, it was Dora the explorer in space. Dora the explorer has certainly changed since I last saw it then. "What color is the Kett blood?" . . . "Good." |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 11, 2017 18:52:35 GMT
The first ten hours of mass effect 1 for me were really shit. I first played it in 2013, not knowing anything about it or the furore around ME3, after picking it up cheap on steam. Just as well I didn't do a suikoden and quit to watch the rest on youtube to form my judgment eh. You sound like more of a casual gamer then - if you've played enough games and know what you like/dislike/whatscrap - you can probably make more efficient decisions/conclusions regarding a game. It's also unreasonable to expect a customer to sink 100 hours into something to see if it gets better - if Bioware failed in the crucial first ten... that's on them. You can't judge a game like this in 10 hours. It's not possible. |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 11, 2017 18:58:26 GMT
The first ten hours of mass effect 1 for me were really shit. I first played it in 2013, not knowing anything about it or the furore around ME3, after picking it up cheap on steam. Just as well I didn't do a suikoden and quit to watch the rest on youtube to form my judgment eh. You sound like more of a casual gamer then - if you've played enough games and know what you like/dislike/whatscrap - you can probably make more efficient decisions/conclusions regarding a game. It's also unreasonable to expect a customer to sink 100 hours into something to see if it gets better - if Bioware failed in the crucial first ten... that's on them. You aren't really getting the point. It's not about knowing if you will like or dislike the game. It's about making criticisms of the entire game that you know nothing about because you didn't play them. Sure, you can say that the controls feel sluggish it there's a lot of glitches or facial animations are bad based on 10 hours, or even 10 minutes. But to go beyond that and talk about tone, story, relatability of characters, relationships, endings, anything like that without having played the full game is wrong and misrepresentative. That's why BSN has a section for user reviews based on COMPLETED games (which I hope you haven't commented on because obviously you would have been lying). Because people who have actually completed a game have a better understanding of the actual faults and positives of a game. They can give accurate analysis because they actually know what they are talking about. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 11, 2017 18:58:39 GMT
You sound like more of a casual gamer then - if you've played enough games and know what you like/dislike/whatscrap - you can probably make more efficient decisions/conclusions regarding a game. It's also unreasonable to expect a customer to sink 100 hours into something to see if it gets better - if Bioware failed in the crucial first ten... that's on them. You can't judge a game like this in 10 hours. It's not possible. Read what UEG wrote - it's definitely possible. If I HATE the first ten hours, hate everything about it - the characters, all of them, the dialogue, all of it - that's not going to change. Supplement that with reviewers I trust like Giantbomb, and yeah - 4/10. |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 11, 2017 19:00:47 GMT
You can't judge a game like this in 10 hours. It's not possible. Read what UEG wrote - it's definitely possible. If I HATE the first ten hours, hate everything about it - the characters, all of them, the dialogue, all of it - that's not going to change. Supplement that with reviewers I trust like Giantbomb, and yeah - 4/10. First off Giantbomb is as reliable as Kotuku. Second as Maximus said you aren't getting the point. You did not complete the game so you can't judge it as a whole. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 11, 2017 19:11:28 GMT
Read what UEG wrote - it's definitely possible. If I HATE the first ten hours, hate everything about it - the characters, all of them, the dialogue, all of it - that's not going to change. Supplement that with reviewers I trust like Giantbomb, and yeah - 4/10. First off Giantbomb is as reliable as Kotuku. Second as Maximus said you aren't getting the point. You did not complete the game so you can't judge it as a whole. First of all, giantbomb was founded by reviewers fired from gamespot for giving a game a review that conflicted with advertising for that game on gamespot. If I trust any game review site, it's giantbomb. The fact that you don't know this and just disregard them on the spot tells me all I need to know about your gaming knowledge and experience. Secondly, Andromedas first ten hours shit on everything I loved about the trilogy. Everything I experienced, was awful. As someone that's finished the game - does the tone revert from its lighthearted goofiness? Do the animations get better? Does a new villain appear that's not a generic placeholder? Do fetch quests disappear? 10 hours is enough - I can accept that some people like a game like this, you need to accept that other people can despise it as utter trash. |
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Post by smilesja on Jul 11, 2017 19:22:15 GMT
First off Giantbomb is as reliable as Kotuku. Second as Maximus said you aren't getting the point. You did not complete the game so you can't judge it as a whole. First of all, giantbomb was founded by reviewers fired from gamespot for giving a game a review that conflicted with advertising for that game on gamespot. If I trust any game review site, it's giantbomb. The fact that you don't know this and just disregard them on the spot tells me all I need to know about your gaming knowledge and experience. Secondly, Andromedas first ten hours shit on everything I loved about the trilogy. Everything I experienced, was awful. As someone that's finished the game - does the tone revert from its lighthearted goofiness? Do the animations get better? Does a new villain appear that's not a generic placeholder? Do fetch quests disappear? 10 hours is enough - I can accept that some people like a game like this, you need to accept that other people can despise it as utter trash. Again you did not complete the game you just felt that the first ten hours are trash that may not be the same for the other parts of the game. |
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Post by vonuber on Jul 11, 2017 19:28:14 GMT
You sound like more of a casual gamer then You didn't really just type that did you? Wait, you did.  |
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Post by abaris on Jul 11, 2017 19:30:46 GMT
Secondly, Andromedas first ten hours shit on everything I loved about the trilogy. Everything I experienced, was awful. As someone that's finished the game - does the tone revert from its lighthearted goofiness? Do the animations get better? Does a new villain appear that's not a generic placeholder? Do fetch quests disappear? The problem is the hyperbole you introduce into every discussion. Yes, I believe you when you say everything was awful. I wasn't excited either, since it's the first Bioware game I don't feel like replaying. But it hasn't been an awful experience, just a bland one. One where I ask myself what possible gain a replay could offer. Which is a first with Bioware. As far as animations are concerned, yes, they have been taken care of in numerous patches. It's not an awful experience, it's a bland one. If we were still in the age of physical copies, the disk would be on ebay by now. Because I'm that sure that I won't replay it in the foreseeable future. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 11, 2017 19:34:22 GMT
First of all, giantbomb was founded by reviewers fired from gamespot for giving a game a review that conflicted with advertising for that game on gamespot. If I trust any game review site, it's giantbomb. The fact that you don't know this and just disregard them on the spot tells me all I need to know about your gaming knowledge and experience. Secondly, Andromedas first ten hours shit on everything I loved about the trilogy. Everything I experienced, was awful. As someone that's finished the game - does the tone revert from its lighthearted goofiness? Do the animations get better? Does a new villain appear that's not a generic placeholder? Do fetch quests disappear? 10 hours is enough - I can accept that some people like a game like this, you need to accept that other people can despise it as utter trash. Again you did not complete the game you just felt that the first ten hours are trash that may not be the same for the other parts of the game. Answer my points in my second question - are any of them affirmative? |
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 11, 2017 19:35:51 GMT
You sound like more of a casual gamer then You didn't really just type that did you? Wait, you did. What game is that? |
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Post by smilesja on Jul 11, 2017 19:35:55 GMT
Again you did not complete the game you just felt that the first ten hours are trash that may not be the same for the other parts of the game. Answer my points in my second question - are any of them affirmative? It's up to YOU to find out and determine that. Though considering you quit the game 10 hours in you may never know. |
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Post by smilesja on Jul 11, 2017 19:36:13 GMT
You didn't really just type that did you? Wait, you did. What game is that? Like is strange |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 11, 2017 19:36:40 GMT
You sound like more of a casual gamer then You didn't really just type that did you? Wait, you did. It's not a bad thing like you seem to think it is - it just means the poster's opinions aren't all that informed and probably display a skewed bias due to limited experience. It'd be like my grandpa giving me feedback on the game - it's his opinion, I respect it, but it will be uninformed and lack understanding in most cases. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 11, 2017 19:37:27 GMT
Answer my points in my second question - are any of them affirmative? It's up to YOU to find out and determine that. Though considering you quit the game 10 hours in you may never know. Again, that's what other reviews and podcasts can supplement - saves me from wasting my time. |
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