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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 18:01:22 GMT
He's never been anything but a lying piece of trash.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 16, 2017 18:02:09 GMT
The thing is, I really am uninterested in seeing more Milky Way species in Andromeda. If there is a Quarian Ark and it does have drell, hanar, and elcor, then all we did was pick up and move house. It's less interesting because I know about all the species in the Milky Way already, plus it lends credence to the idea that we're only in Andromeda so Bioware didn't have to deal with the ME3 ending. Basically, I just want more Andromeda aliens. I think the draw about the Quarians (and to a lesser extent, the Drell/Hanar/Volus/Elcor) is that it makes the Andromeda setting easier to fully invest in, as you're not cutting anything out. I can only speak for myself but I've always found the quarians fascinating, and the idea of never having a quarian squadmate in another ME game is not something that draws me in. There's also the basic point that a Quarian Ark story is more or less a perfect DLC subject. It;s not big enough to make an entire game around (certainly not on the scale of MEA) but it's important enough to have a content pack to cover. I agree we need more Andromeda aliens (preferably something creepy - giant bugs or some weird shadowy things a la Scourge/Prey's Typhon/B5's Shadows would get my vote) but it's a false dichotomy to suggest we have to have either those or quarians. Very well put. Plus I remember long before launch, pretty much from day 0 fans were going, "they better have (insert race) or all hell breaks loose!" The hypocrisy on this site is second to none.
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Post by Guts on Jul 16, 2017 18:03:02 GMT
I'm curious about something, what's the overall opinion on Smudboy here? Personally I don't like him at all. I think he's very good, but in more recent times has been taking things a bit too far. By that I mean in terms of going into even the most minute thing or detail, and picking it apart for being wrong or whatnot. He's not been quite the same since that run-in with Clevernoobs. His fundamental points are still correct though, with more care and attention to detail, all the Mass Effect games could have been even better than they were. I totally agree with his idea that for franchises like your Mass Effect, Star Treks, Dragon Age, Star Wars etc of this world, you need a small team that know the specific universe inside and out. Be it on how the tech works, what's been done in the past, or to just keep things simply consistent within in game lore/codex/dialogue, I think it would have helped, a lot. (Especially for Andromeda.) Credit where credit is due, maybe he is smart. He's extremely immature is the problem. I think that would be nice though to go much more in depth about the Mass Effect universe. The only real issue I see with what you said is that all the details would need to be painstakingly examined and that would take a lot more time than they would really be given perhaps. But hey, a game that is delayed is eventually good but a game rushed is forever bad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2017 18:07:05 GMT
Excuse me??? If you're going to use language like that, I take back my earlier apology. You were obviously trying to lead this thread into controversial territory and now you're just excalating the whole predictable "fight" that's resulted here with foul language. I'm done here. I was just telling everyone to calm down. It wasn't that like that earlier post. It didn't have to do with people opinions, it came down to 2 people arguing with each other. (I'm looking at you fluffy) From what I see, there are 2 people arguing... BOTH are guilty of provoking each other and you either chastising ALL of us with your foul language or now just chastising one of the 2 people involved. I'm no longer wanting to participate further in this discussion, so I am leaving this thread. That is my prerogative.
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Post by Guts on Jul 16, 2017 18:08:10 GMT
The thing is, I really am uninterested in seeing more Milky Way species in Andromeda. If there is a Quarian Ark and it does have drell, hanar, and elcor, then all we did was pick up and move house. It's less interesting because I know about all the species in the Milky Way already, plus it lends credence to the idea that we're only in Andromeda so Bioware didn't have to deal with the ME3 ending. Basically, I just want more Andromeda aliens. I think the draw about the Quarians (and to a lesser extent, the Drell/Hanar/Volus/Elcor) is that it makes the Andromeda setting easier to fully invest in, as you're not cutting anything out. I can only speak for myself but I've always found the quarians fascinating, and the idea of never having a quarian squadmate in another ME game is not something that draws me in. There's also the basic point that a Quarian Ark story is more or less a perfect DLC subject. It;s not big enough to make an entire game around (certainly not on the scale of MEA) but it's important enough to have a content pack to cover. I agree we need more Andromeda aliens (preferably something creepy - giant bugs or some weird shadowy things a la Scourge/Prey's Typhon/B5's Shadows would get my vote) but it's a false dichotomy to suggest we have to have either those or quarians. I agree about the Quarian DLC. The fate of the Jardaan (Wasn't a major theme of the entire Mass Effect series the Fermi Paradox?), Kett society (a bit of wasted potential in the main game), or the rest of Andromeda and not just Heleus would have to be left up to potential sequels.
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Post by Guts on Jul 16, 2017 18:10:42 GMT
I was just telling everyone to calm down. It wasn't that like that earlier post. It didn't have to do with people opinions, it came down to 2 people arguing with each other. (I'm looking at you fluffy) From what I see, there are 2 people arguing... BOTH are guilty of provoking each other and you either chastising ALL of us with your foul language or now just chastising one of the 2 people involved. I'm no longer wanting to participate further in this discussion, so I am leaving this thread. That is my prerogative. Yeah. I was only chastising two people. Alrighty then, I'm not forcing anyone to stay on this thread.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 16, 2017 18:12:46 GMT
Completely. I actually got into an argument with him once in a video where he was making fun of one of Mass Effect Followers videos. He could not see why some of the terms he used were insulting to both Follower and his audience, refused to admit even a smidge of wrongdoing. It was one of the worst online arguments I've been in. I'd bring up terms he had used, context, definitions, everything, and he would just go on some tangent about "shills" and SJW's. What a total hack. So anyways, the general vibe on BSN boards is that Smudboy is a opinionated, egotistical, pretentious jerk. He is very arrogant.
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Post by geralt on Jul 16, 2017 18:16:28 GMT
I think he's very good, but in more recent times has been taking things a bit too far. By that I mean in terms of going into even the most minute thing or detail, and picking it apart for being wrong or whatnot. He's not been quite the same since that run-in with Clevernoobs. His fundamental points are still correct though, with more care and attention to detail, all the Mass Effect games could have been even better than they were. I totally agree with his idea that for franchises like your Mass Effect, Star Treks, Dragon Age, Star Wars etc of this world, you need a small team that know the specific universe inside and out. Be it on how the tech works, what's been done in the past, or to just keep things simply consistent within in game lore/codex/dialogue, I think it would have helped, a lot. (Especially for Andromeda.) Credit where credit is due, maybe he is smart. He's extremely immature is the problem. I think that would be nice though to go much more in depth about the Mass Effect universe. The only real issue I see with what you said is that all the details would need to be painstakingly examined and that would take a lot more time than they would really be given perhaps. But hey, a game that is delayed is eventually good but a game rushed is forever bad. I've only dealt with him a few times and he was fine, though I don't read too deep into vid comments too much. I can see why some folk could get into some dicey clashes with him, and that's fair enough if folk don't like him for it, or are put off from watching/listening him. Like I said though, he's not been the same for a while. His ME2/3 material was borderline godly, made me pay much more attention to movies/games I see. I don't think it would take a huge amount of more time for such a group to help keep things straight, they'd need engaged from the get go of course. Though I don't see such a thing ever being implemented without a big change in the creative process and culture. Directors, writers and the like are told "no" on their ideas on a few fronts as it is, a group of lore geeks telling them they can't do x because of how y is explained in the codex isn't likely to go down well with them. Even if that specific idea couldn't be brought in, I would like to see something else brought in that would help new plot/tech be a bit more robust up against the stuff that has already been created in the universe.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 16, 2017 18:21:37 GMT
So anyways, the general vibe on BSN boards is that Smudboy is a opinionated, egotistical, pretentious jerk. He is very arrogant. Yup arrogant, snide, pretentious etc...
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Post by Guts on Jul 16, 2017 18:24:33 GMT
Yup arrogant, snide, pretentious etc... Sounds really pleasant......
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Post by R1Outcast on Jul 16, 2017 18:27:34 GMT
It sounds like you had a pretty baseline experience honestly just where some people go "what no renegade options?0/10" your response is actually measured. You hit the nail on the head. People were way too critical of ME:A for whatever their reasons were. Things that have been overlooked, or noted as small flaws in other games, were for some reason viewed as deal breakers in ME:A. My best guess is it was a mix of bandwagoning, Bioware/Manveer hate, and/or borderline unrealistic expectations. Side note: I notice your Jon Snow avatar. GoT is finally back tonight . Can't wait!
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Post by Guts on Jul 16, 2017 18:35:48 GMT
It sounds like you had a pretty baseline experience honestly just where some people go "what no renegade options?0/10" your response is actually measured. You hit the nail on the head. People were way too critical of ME:A for whatever their reasons were. Things that have been overlooked, or noted as small flaws in other games, were for some reason viewed as deal breakers in ME:A. My best guess is it was a mix of bandwagoning, Bioware/Manveer hate, and/or borderline unrealistic expectations. Side note: I notice your Jon Snow avatar. GoT is finally back tonight . Can't wait! I can TOTALLY understand the Manveer Heir hate. He's one of few instances I would actually use the word "SJW". He went to Rev3games saying, "We need equality in games!", then you look at his twitter feed and he's just making racist statements about white people.
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Post by GraphiteGal_636 on Jul 16, 2017 18:50:16 GMT
it's the first game in the Andromeda series. A spinoff. Like TNG to the original trek. It more like Voyager. I just binge watched all the Star Trek series, including the original on Netflix. My favourite was TNG though. Patrick Stewart made a cheesy series good. Not sure the new one will be any good, bit like Andromeda really. Has a lot to live up to.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 16, 2017 18:51:11 GMT
It sounds like you had a pretty baseline experience honestly just where some people go "what no renegade options?0/10" your response is actually measured. You hit the nail on the head. People were way too critical of ME:A for whatever their reasons were. Things that have been overlooked, or noted as small flaws in other games, were for some reason viewed as deal breakers in ME:A. My best guess is it was a mix of bandwagoning, Bioware/Manveer hate, and/or borderline unrealistic expectations. Side note: I notice your Jon Snow avatar. GoT is finally back tonight . Can't wait! and you are the first one to comment on it.
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Post by GraphiteGal_636 on Jul 16, 2017 18:55:56 GMT
You hit the nail on the head. People were way too critical of ME:A for whatever their reasons were. Things that have been overlooked, or noted as small flaws in other games, were for some reason viewed as deal breakers in ME:A. My best guess is it was a mix of bandwagoning, Bioware/Manveer hate, and/or borderline unrealistic expectations. Side note: I notice your Jon Snow avatar. GoT is finally back tonight . Can't wait! and you are the first one to comment on it. Us UK folks have to wait until tomorrow night for its return but me too, can't wait to see if the final battle matches the one in my head, G.R.R. Martin isn't one of the quickest writers lol
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Post by Guts on Jul 16, 2017 18:57:17 GMT
and you are the first one to comment on it. Us UK folks have to wait until tomorrow night for its return but me too, can't wait to see if the final battle matches the one in my head, G.R.R. Martin isn't one of the quickest writers lol Tell that to Berserk fans. Lol
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Post by colfoley on Jul 16, 2017 18:57:45 GMT
and you are the first one to comment on it. Us UK folks have to wait until tomorrow night for its return but me too, can't wait to see if the final battle matches the one in my head, G.R.R. Martin isn't one of the quickest writers lol my own experiences he's b Probably done...but is just editing.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 16, 2017 18:58:14 GMT
I can TOTALLY understand the Manveer Heir hate. He's one of few instances I would actually use the word "SJW". He went to Rev3games saying, "We need equality in games!", then you look at his twitter feed and he's just making racist statements about white people. It's stuff like this that makes me glad I stayed away from anything Andromeda related until the trial. I had no idea what to expect, had no preconceptions about characters, and knew nothing about any controversial lead-up to release. I wasn't sure if I was going to buy the game, so I played the trial and pre-ordered the deluxe edition. So imagine my surprise when I went to forums and saw all the memes. I literally had a, "Was it that bad?" moment. No, it wasn't that bad, but the lead-up was so full of speculation and interest in people like this Heir guy that, if I'd been paying attention, I probably would have guessed that the reception was going to be negative.
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Post by GraphiteGal_636 on Jul 16, 2017 19:09:50 GMT
I can TOTALLY understand the Manveer Heir hate. He's one of few instances I would actually use the word "SJW". He went to Rev3games saying, "We need equality in games!", then you look at his twitter feed and he's just making racist statements about white people. It's stuff like this that makes me glad I stayed away from anything Andromeda related until the trial. I had no idea what to expect, had no preconceptions about characters, and knew nothing about any controversial lead-up to release. I wasn't sure if I was going to buy the game, so I played the trial and pre-ordered the deluxe edition. So imagine my surprise when I went to forums and saw all the memes. I literally had a, "Was it that bad?" moment. No, it wasn't that bad, but the lead-up was so full of speculation and interest in people like this Heir guy that, if I'd been paying attention, I probably would have guessed that the reception was going to be negative. I wished I had not watched all the pre-release trailers but did watch the longer one, think it was Liam's loyalty mission. I remember thinking this is nothing like the Mass Effect we are used to but still approached the trial with an open-mind. Wonder whether if they had just used Andromeda and not Mass Effect in the title if the response would have been the same. Unfortunately, you will always have people like Manveer Heir.
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Post by Guts on Jul 16, 2017 19:10:29 GMT
I can TOTALLY understand the Manveer Heir hate. He's one of few instances I would actually use the word "SJW". He went to Rev3games saying, "We need equality in games!", then you look at his twitter feed and he's just making racist statements about white people. It's stuff like this that makes me glad I stayed away from anything Andromeda related until the trial. I had no idea what to expect, had no preconceptions about characters, and knew nothing about any controversial lead-up to release. I wasn't sure if I was going to buy the game, so I played the trial and pre-ordered the deluxe edition. So imagine my surprise when I went to forums and saw all the memes. I literally had a, "Was it that bad?" moment. No, it wasn't that bad, but the lead-up was so full of speculation and interest in people like this Heir guy that, if I'd been paying attention, I probably would have guessed that the reception was going to be negative. When it comes to any upcoming games that I'm even remotely interested in. I keep myself blissfully ignorant, I still keep in mind when the game is going to be released but I make sure not to get myself excited for a game until it is released. I did this even with No Man's Sky, which I felt had an even bigger shitshow compared to Andromeda. (I had NMS on my PC but had to sell it because it wouldn't even work, might consider rebuying it when it's on sale because I got a new graphics card.)
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Post by Guts on Jul 16, 2017 19:12:25 GMT
It's stuff like this that makes me glad I stayed away from anything Andromeda related until the trial. I had no idea what to expect, had no preconceptions about characters, and knew nothing about any controversial lead-up to release. I wasn't sure if I was going to buy the game, so I played the trial and pre-ordered the deluxe edition. So imagine my surprise when I went to forums and saw all the memes. I literally had a, "Was it that bad?" moment. No, it wasn't that bad, but the lead-up was so full of speculation and interest in people like this Heir guy that, if I'd been paying attention, I probably would have guessed that the reception was going to be negative. I wished I had not watched all the pre-release trailers but did watch the longer one, think it was Liam's loyalty mission. I remember thinking this is nothing like the Mass Effect we are used to but still approached the trial with an open-mind. Wonder whether if they had just used Andromeda and not Mass Effect in the title if the response would have been the same. Unfortunately, you will always have people like Manveer Heir. I think it was Peebee's loyalty mission. As much as I love Peebee, this was one area I wasn't too fond of. Both SAM and Peebs were constantly telling you what to do and this is later in the game.
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Post by GraphiteGal_636 on Jul 16, 2017 19:15:31 GMT
I wished I had not watched all the pre-release trailers but did watch the longer one, think it was Liam's loyalty mission. I remember thinking this is nothing like the Mass Effect we are used to but still approached the trial with an open-mind. Wonder whether if they had just used Andromeda and not Mass Effect in the title if the response would have been the same. Unfortunately, you will always have people like Manveer Heir. I think it was Peebee's loyalty mission. As much as I love Peebee, this was one area I wasn't too fond of. Both SAM and Peebs were constantly telling you what to do and this is later in the game. Cheers for that, my memory isn't what it was lol. Must admit I found the constant dialogue annoying, especially "This area can be mined for resources". Don't need telling a zillion times throughout the game. Pity you couldn't turn it off. I have completed Andromeda and done every single mission so switching to the Witcher series now which will hopefully be as absorbing as ME Trilogy.
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Post by Guts on Jul 16, 2017 19:16:41 GMT
I think it was Peebee's loyalty mission. As much as I love Peebee, this was one area I wasn't too fond of. Both SAM and Peebs were constantly telling you what to do and this is later in the game. Cheers for that, my memory isn't what it was lol. Must admit I found the constant dialogue annoying, especially "This area can be mined for resources". Don't need telling a zillion times throughout the game. Pity you couldn't turn it off. You can extract minerals via your mining interface. But yeah, this is why I considered SAM the Navi of Andromeda. (I think there's a mod to turn this off)
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Post by malgus on Jul 16, 2017 21:06:06 GMT
Us UK folks have to wait until tomorrow night for its return but me too, can't wait to see if the final battle matches the one in my head, G.R.R. Martin isn't one of the quickest writers lol Tell that to Berserk fans. Lol Actually the point is not when we shall get the next manga, its more when the sory will end...
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Post by abaris on Jul 16, 2017 21:12:01 GMT
Andromeda tries to replicate this with 'Movie Night' at the very end but it came across as forced (I don't know these characters half as well as I knew Garrus or Liara), it wasn't earned like Citadel. It wasn't bad, but it was only 5 minutes or thereabouts. In a 60 to 100 hours game. And before you got to it, you had to run all the different fetch quests and exhaust most dialogue lines with the squadmates. Citadel had a main quest and added quite a few nice moments with former and current squadmates. I never timed myself when playing it, since I went back and forth between missions and Citadel. But I guess it must have been 3 hours minimum, if you explored all the new areas and did all the meetups.
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