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Post by Guts on Jul 18, 2017 2:08:52 GMT
And again I'm ashamed to be a male gamer. Agreed, this type of behavior was absolutely deplorable.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 2:17:15 GMT
I see only one out of four comments that I would consider to be harassment. Sure, they ain't nice, but the other three a criticizing the job that these people thought this woman did.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 2:21:24 GMT
And again I'm ashamed to be a male gamer. I feel sorry for you if you think the blame somehow falls on you.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 18, 2017 2:30:09 GMT
I see only one out of four comments that I would consider to be harassment. Sure, they ain't nice, but the other three a criticizing the job that these people thought this woman did. Out of curiosity, which of these is actually harassment to you?
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 18, 2017 2:31:04 GMT
And again I'm ashamed to be a male gamer. I feel sorry for you if you think the blame somehow falls on you. Not me personally but I'm ashamed of my fellow gamers behavior.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 18, 2017 2:37:41 GMT
OMG seriously I am going to try to stay out of this for my mental health but this is one example of many. Where's fluffymothsiren when you need her. I wonder how many of you remember what a bunch of idiots tried to do to Jennifer Hepler. *raises hand* I can't decide if we've gotten worse, or if gamers have always sucked and it's just easier to organize the awfulness now.
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Post by VanSinn on Jul 18, 2017 2:51:37 GMT
I see only one out of four comments that I would consider to be harassment. Sure, they ain't nice, but the other three a criticizing the job that these people thought this woman did. Out of curiosity, which of these is actually harassment to you? In my opinion, the top two were mean, and unnecessarily so but not harassment of any legal merit. I would probably call out people who make such statements based on limited information (which turned out to be wrong, btw) as assholes, but I wouldn't get my boxers in a bunch over 'em. The bottom two, however, yeah, those go beyond the pale. One's a direct sexual harassment comment (the third one, I won't quote it here) and one's a comment on her "skill" based on her gender. Both of these comments deserve a swift kick in the genitals, again in my opinion.
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Post by cypherj on Jul 18, 2017 2:54:33 GMT
I see only one out of four comments that I would consider to be harassment. Sure, they ain't nice, but the other three a criticizing the job that these people thought this woman did. The last two are completely out of bounds. I'm going to assume the 3rd one is the one you consider harassment, but how does telling someone they only got their job because they're a woman fall under criticizing her job on the game.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 18, 2017 3:23:02 GMT
I feel sorry for you if you think the blame somehow falls on you. Not me personally but I'm ashamed of my fellow gamers behavior. Ashamed of being a male gamer?
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 18, 2017 3:37:15 GMT
Stating that it doesn't or does?
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 18, 2017 3:50:28 GMT
Not me personally but I'm ashamed of my fellow gamers behavior. Ashamed of being a male gamer? I can see it. It's sometimes embarrassing to admit I'm a gamer. Fortunately for me, I'm old enough that this feels kinda of normal, even if it's not quite the same thing to be lumped in with the douchebags as it is to be lumped in with the dweebs.
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Post by clips7 on Jul 18, 2017 4:11:24 GMT
And again I'm ashamed to be a male gamer. No need to be ashamed...there will always be a few nutjobs out there. None of us arethe spokesperson for these idiots. It's ok to criticize any game based on it's merits, animations/performance/story etc....but you have to respectful about it. Of course MEA seen it's share of funny gif's following it's release, but eh the game kinda asked for that by releasing the game practically unfinished. Those comments made in that link above tho are just raunchy and no class and you cannot have a decent debate or conversation about the game in general with jerks like that. I was a member of website called Helldescent....it was a site dedicated to Silent Hill franchise and the dev's from that series used to come have conversations with us, ask about what we would like to see in a SH game, feedback. They even gave gamer's a chance to design a statue for the game "Downpour" and the winner's statue would be used or seen in the game itself. Things went waaay left when the developmet of BOM (book of memories) came about tho....it was the first MP SH game for the series and alot of us (myself included) wasn't big on a MP SH game. We respectfully voiced our concerns, but one member actually launched death threats at the developer and the site never really recovered after that and this was after the mods/owners banned the user....apologies went out to the deveopler, but things was never really good after that and the site shut down. Just saying that there are crazy people and fans for every medium or franchise...Star Wars/ Star Trek..Game of Thrones....pick your franchise and i guarantee there is a nut waiting to off somebody or commit suicide if a certain character or if a certain game isn't implemented in a way he/she sees fit.... Me and you are about as sane as my man Ash....
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 18, 2017 4:38:21 GMT
Ashamed of being a male gamer? I can see it. It's sometimes embarrassing to admit I'm a gamer. Fortunately for me, I'm old enough that this feels kinda of normal, even if it's not quite the same thing to be lumped in with the douchebags as it is to be lumped in with the dweebs. NEVER BE ASHAMED! NEVER LET STEREO-TYPERS DEFINE YOU! DON'T CARE WHAT OTHERS THINK! YOU ARE YOU. REVEL IN IT!.This last one may be a bit controversial on a forum like this -I picked it for your dreams' message -watch or don't your choice: ...Ok and now that I have overstayed my welcome. EDIT: For quote glitch.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 18, 2017 6:44:50 GMT
Aside from the irritating habit of treating Jason as if he was a mouthpiece for Bioware, this is a pretty good article. I do think the devs were hard done by both their company and their fans - creating a game on this scale in 18 months is some serious work and yet we've got all of Reddit's retard brigade branding them the 'B-team'. As for Katherine Cross - I have no idea who she is.She was the treasurer for Feminist Frequency: Anita's show. She can be very biased at times. The more I read about Anita (as to which I will to refer only as "professional victim"), the more I believe she is a very cunning and self-serving person hiding behind honest, common sense goals. She's more of a detriment to her own movement and yet her personal fortunes keep rising. That deal with Sargon (who I know little about except he's a pretentious freak) was to watch a viper strike when feeling threatened. (Totally off-topic and away from the OP. I'm just communicating something I learned from Smilesja.)
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Post by bizantura on Jul 18, 2017 7:00:03 GMT
Personally, I hope one day we truly get to know what happened from the insiders themselves. The diversity in discord by the insiders themselves will be daunting enough to sift thru and making up one's own opinion in what went askew. I am a bit tired of the third-hand rumor mongers pushed as reality.
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Post by Sondergaard on Jul 18, 2017 7:43:08 GMT
Makes me wonder if we're reading the same board. Most of the criticisms are tied to story, companions and the lifeless worlds. Very rarely do I read a rant where the author doesn't nail down their points. you don't get it. If you don't like a Mass Effect game, you are an unhinged lunatic and a threat to society. A perfectly reasonable assumption until ME:A.
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Post by abaris on Jul 18, 2017 8:26:02 GMT
In my opinion, the top two were mean, and unnecessarily so but not harassment of any legal merit. I would probably call out people who make such statements based on limited information (which turned out to be wrong, btw) as assholes, but I wouldn't get my boxers in a bunch over 'em. The bottom two, however, yeah, those go beyond the pale. One's a direct sexual harassment comment (the third one, I won't quote it here) and one's a comment on her "skill" based on her gender. Both of these comments deserve a swift kick in the genitals, again in my opinion. I guess there comes a time when you are no longer willing or able to ignore harassing comments. When you're constantly on the receiving end of such comments you start to take them seriously, no matter if they have legal merit or not.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Jul 18, 2017 10:49:08 GMT
Gamergate was useless neckbeard garbage, and Zoe Quinn's spurned ex-boyfriend is a fucking pathetic creep.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 18, 2017 11:50:46 GMT
You know, I really wish I hadn't asked who she was. I somehow managed to avoid the Gamergate non-incident the first time around but it looks like a lot of the simmering behind... whatever the hell it was is still there.
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Post by vonuber on Jul 18, 2017 12:34:48 GMT
An interesting thing about this article are the images used. For example PeeBee: Looks nothing like how she actually is in game. Why would you not bother going to the effort of at least putting actual screenshots in? Very odd.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 18, 2017 12:47:24 GMT
An interesting thing about this article are the images used. For example PeeBee: Looks nothing like how she actually is in game. Why would you not bother going to the effort of at least putting actual screenshots in? Very odd. If I had to guess: it was a quick Google search and that's what came up. Like, how she didn't bother to put rumor on her first sentence regarding the state of dlc.
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Post by abaris on Jul 18, 2017 12:49:33 GMT
I can see it. It's sometimes embarrassing to admit I'm a gamer. Why? I'm in my mid 50ies and have no problem saying I'm a gamer. There are lots and lots of people from my generation being into video gaming. We saw it's birth after all, starting in the mid 70ies with pong, over Atari to the first real PCs.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 18, 2017 12:52:17 GMT
An interesting thing about this article are the images used. For example PeeBee: Looks nothing like how she actually is in game. Why would you not bother going to the effort of at least putting actual screenshots in? Very odd. I remember when that image was released and yeah it looks odd. But in game? She looks great IMO.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 14:40:28 GMT
I see only one out of four comments that I would consider to be harassment. Sure, they ain't nice, but the other three a criticizing the job that these people thought this woman did. Out of curiosity, which of these is actually harassment to you? Number 3 is most certainly sexual harassment. The other 3 are mean-spirited, but not harassment under any legal definition. I feel sorry for you if you think the blame somehow falls on you. Not me personally but I'm ashamed of my fellow gamers behavior. None of this shit falls on any of us, my man. I see only one out of four comments that I would consider to be harassment. Sure, they ain't nice, but the other three a criticizing the job that these people thought this woman did. The last two are completely out of bounds. I'm going to assume the 3rd one is the one you consider harassment, but how does telling someone they only got their job because they're a woman fall under criticizing her job on the game. There is a very real push to hire based on "diversity" instead of based on qualifications these days. I see it all to often in my professional life. The woman in question is a cosplayer, but had herself pegged as the Lead Animator on ME:A before she took that information down and BioWare released a statement. Let's say for a second (as a hypothetical since whether she did or did not work on ME:A's animations is nebulous) that she was Lead Animator. How does a cosplayer get that job? It isn't much of a logical leap to assume that that job was bestowed based on sex, not skill.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 18, 2017 14:44:36 GMT
Gamergate was useless neckbeard garbage, and Zoe Quinn's spurned ex-boyfriend is a fucking pathetic creep. Someone took whatever Kotaku and Polygon was shitting into their ears at face value, huh?
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