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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 19, 2017 11:28:37 GMT
The gift of speculation. You can always cover your tracks with unnamed sources or make a credible excuse that you were wrong. I hope Schreier just stops talking. His book is coming out on September 5th and I am getting a copy. I know going into the book, it's going to be filled with anonymous sources (and frankly that's just not good enough) but even if he only gets 90% of his speculation right, it's still 90% more than what we're getting from BioWare. If anything, it will be a great book for those entering the gaming business because it will show you how well laid-out plans go awry by a few bad decisions. Also, Hudson isn't get any love from me. I'm salty as hell about ME3's ending and the way he conducted himself afterwards. The ending wasn't really an issue for me after the Extended Cut. I was playing the game on full OCD so I was progressing slower than the rest of the world. When I got to the ending, the EC ending was already in place and I was "okay" with it. Destroy ending was just a FUBAR for me because the Geth and EDI deserved a chance. So, yeah... (takes a deep drag from a perfectly rolled jay)... "merde." Due to my own time commitments when it came out, I didn't actually finish ME3 until after the EC DLC came out, by which point I plumped for the High EMS-Destroy ending that pressed all my buttons and ended the series on a satisfying conclusion for me (it reminded me of the ending of The Dark Knight Rises). Hence, the whole 'ME3 ending debacle' for me is basically in the same basket as the 'MEA is below average!' arguments in the sense that while I can see the root below it, the majority of it comes across as hysteria. As for the book - tbh it was on my radar until this weird mini-nervous breakdown the author had. I have a personal rule of never cutting my nose off to spite my face - even if I hate the author of something, if it's a subject I enjoy then I'll get it - but his behaviour so far makes me wonder how much of his book is his soap-boxing vs actual material from devs. Essentially, I'm suspicious of the content he's outputting now.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 12:36:36 GMT
I mean, is that not a logical thought? Considering how little is actually known about what's going on behind the scenes at Bioware... no, it's not a logical thought. I used to work at a small company... about 45 employees. It went out of business. One of my best friends was second in command, only just lower than the owner of the company. Now, if someone were to ask me why the company went out of business, I'd only be able to give my version of events. It would be the same if someone asked the owner, or if someone asked one of the data entry folks. Nobody really has a full picture of what's happening with clients, company politics, logistical problems... etc. That's the way it was, by the way. Rumors were flying everywhere and people were pointing fingers left and right and every which way. This is why I laugh at anyone who thinks they have the definitive analysis of what's going on behind the scenes at Bioware. Nobody here knows. Even a dev, if they chimed in, would only be able to give their version of events... a version that very likely would be disputed by other employees. My own business experience (dealing with the stock market for a few decades now) tells me that bringing back the man who was there when games were selling very well and who happens to also be the man who was responsible for one of their best titles that for them to seek him out and him to be willing to come back, lots of money was likely involved. And for him to come back in such a powerful capacity then things are possibly a massive clusterfuck over there. We've heard about the development cycle of MEA. Might not be true but sure reads like it given issues on release. I highly doubt Casey or ANYONE would come back and not have it be to a position of more power with more control and say over things and more money to boot. Your understanding of whatever company you are talking about clearly isn't all that applicable here. In the business world and especially in companies where there are shareholders involved, moves like this generally happen for specific reasons. Mainly, problems in house that needed to be fixed and a need or desire to boost reputation as well as fix or improve how things currently are. Timing is key to understanding what is happening. MEA didn't do nearly as well as hoped and was bashed in the media at a near epic level for an ME game. Very negative rumors are being circulated about all things MEA from it's development to what lies ahead and its supposed death. Anthem was pushed back. It might not be going so smoothly as well. Nobody needs to know all the politics, logistical problems, etc. to wisely conclude that a changing of the guard is underway and the guard that is coming in just so happens to be one who was there when the company was thriving. Sure people can throw around the ME3 endings, but only a small portion of people are still banging on about that. The game was solid in sales so much so that they gave it three DLC. One was a total fan fest but still, they gave it three DLC because it did that well and they wanted to ensure more.
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Post by LogicGunn on Jul 19, 2017 13:20:30 GMT
I would love to see them for once just not put any spin on it, since people can want to leave a job for any number of personal reasons and they can be let go for a number of different corporate reasons not related to job performance or for a number of different reasons related to job performance. When media puts a spin on a person leaving a company in the absense of actually being told the actual reasons (which is usually the case), the "spin" they put on it is usually just to fuel whatever previous wild speculations they've already made. It's a vicious cycle of speculation on top of speculation that quickly spirals out of hand. I would also love to see the people here on this forum also just not put any spin on it either... wishful thinking I know... so carry on. Absolutely this. It would be nice i everyone stopped taking the same events and putting their own bias on it and just let news be news.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 19, 2017 13:25:10 GMT
Why is this thread a thing?
Can we just wait for gaming media to write articles about it. Or better yet ignore them, because they're hardly much better then usual bloggers.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 19, 2017 13:35:49 GMT
Why? Is it mere curiosity and nothing less? The gift of speculation. You can always cover your tracks with unnamed sources or make a credible excuse that you were wrong. I hope Schreier just stops talking. His book is coming out on September 5th and I am getting a copy. I know going into the book, it's going to be filled with anonymous sources (and frankly that's just not good enough) but even if he only gets 90% of his speculation right, it's still 90% more than what we're getting from BioWare. If anything, it will be a great book for those entering the gaming business because it will show you how well laid-out plans go awry by a few bad decisions. Also, Hudson isn't get any love from me. I'm salty as hell about ME3's ending and the way he conducted himself afterwards. The ending wasn't really an issue for me after the Extended Cut. I was playing the game on full OCD so I was progressing slower than the rest of the world. When I got to the ending, the EC ending was already in place and I was "okay" with it. Destroy ending was just a FUBAR for me because the Geth and EDI deserved a chance. So, yeah... (takes a deep drag from a perfectly rolled jay)... "merde." As for the book - tbh it was on my radar until this weird mini-nervous breakdown the author had. I have a personal rule of never cutting my nose off to spite my face - even if I hate the author of something, if it's a subject I enjoy then I'll get it - but his behaviour so far makes me wonder how much of his book is his soap-boxing vs actual material from devs. Essentially, I'm suspicious of the content he's outputting now. Yea, if he can't even trust his supposed sources 100 percent by saying, "things can change!" When nothing in game development actually changes on a whim. Then anything he says in his book should be taken with a grain of salt.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Jul 19, 2017 14:15:24 GMT
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Post by smilesja on Jul 19, 2017 14:18:12 GMT
I would love to see them for once just not put any spin on it, since people can want to leave a job for any number of personal reasons and they can be let go for a number of different corporate reasons not related to job performance or for a number of different reasons related to job performance. When media puts a spin on a person leaving a company in the absense of actually being told the actual reasons (which is usually the case), the "spin" they put on it is usually just to fuel whatever previous wild speculations they've already made. It's a vicious cycle of speculation on top of speculation that quickly spirals out of hand. I would also love to see the people here on this forum also just not put any spin on it either... wishful thinking I know... so carry on. But journalists need the clicks!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:24:11 GMT
I would love to see them for once just not put any spin on it, since people can want to leave a job for any number of personal reasons and they can be let go for a number of different corporate reasons not related to job performance or for a number of different reasons related to job performance. When media puts a spin on a person leaving a company in the absense of actually being told the actual reasons (which is usually the case), the "spin" they put on it is usually just to fuel whatever previous wild speculations they've already made. It's a vicious cycle of speculation on top of speculation that quickly spirals out of hand. I would also love to see the people here on this forum also just not put any spin on it either... wishful thinking I know... so carry on. But journalists need the clicks! ... and that's why I think the write anything for clicks "system" on the internet needs to change.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 19, 2017 14:24:38 GMT
I would love to see them for once just not put any spin on it, since people can want to leave a job for any number of personal reasons and they can be let go for a number of different corporate reasons not related to job performance or for a number of different reasons related to job performance. When media puts a spin on a person leaving a company in the absense of actually being told the actual reasons (which is usually the case), the "spin" they put on it is usually just to fuel whatever previous wild speculations they've already made. It's a vicious cycle of speculation on top of speculation that quickly spirals out of hand. I would also love to see the people here on this forum also just not put any spin on it either... wishful thinking I know... so carry on. But journalists need the clicks! Journalists and gaming should never be used in the same sentence. These people are more equivalent to Late Night talk shows then actual journalists.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:33:54 GMT
I am still on the fence with Hudson... I'm not. Not even a little. I'm not really sure why anyone isn't happy to see him back. He created a great trilogy that people still love. So much so that they compared MEA to it and it failed the litmus test by most standards to many people. People are so quick to forget how he pretty much killed the OT in a whopping ~5 minutes...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:35:35 GMT
No. Just the state of gaming journalism. Nothing new. I'm cautiously optimistic. I hope Flynn stays close to BioWare's orbit. (Takes another drag).... "merde." you know honestly this is what bothers me. I mean if they were just gaining Hudson i think I'd be pretty ecstatic...but the loss of Flynn for whatever reason hurts. Casey came back only three years later. Odds are Flynn will be back too. He's been with the company a while. Maybe he just needs a break. He's been there 17 years. I think Casey might have left around his 16 year mark. Perhaps that is the time when burnout hits and a little break it required.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:38:51 GMT
At this point journalists couldn't possibly outdo the fandom in the spinning department. The games journos have even us ME fans beat by a country mile.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:41:27 GMT
I'm not. Not even a little. I'm not really sure why anyone isn't happy to see him back. He created a great trilogy that people still love. So much so that they compared MEA to it and it failed the litmus test by most standards to many people. People are so quick to forget how he pretty much killed the OT in a whopping ~5 minutes... Yeah. People get over things like endings of games. Imagine that. What a totally functional way to live and move forward in life. Especially over shit that happened five years ago.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:49:30 GMT
People are so quick to forget how he pretty much killed the OT in a whopping ~5 minutes... Yeah. People get over things like endings of games. Imagine that. What a totally functional way to live and move forward in life. Especially over shit that happened five years ago. I have yet to replay the OT since then. Why bother playing when I know that all you do is ought for nothing?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:51:37 GMT
Yeah. People get over things like endings of games. Imagine that. What a totally functional way to live and move forward in life. Especially over shit that happened five years ago. I have yet to replay the OT since then. Why bother playing when I know that all you do is ought for nothing? With that kind of logic, why bother living? You're going to die at some point anyway. Geez. If you have citadel DLC just play it till that ends and leave it there if it bothers you that much. Don't do sanctuary. Don't do final battle. Don't do anything past that point if it makes you that upset.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 19, 2017 14:52:30 GMT
Why bother playing when I know that all you do is ought for nothing? Samantha Traynor.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2017 14:53:44 GMT
Yeah. People get over things like endings of games. Imagine that. What a totally functional way to live and move forward in life. Especially over shit that happened five years ago. I have yet to replay the OT since then. Why bother playing when I know that all you do is ought for nothing? Don't forget that there are people that liked the ending. Me included.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:55:50 GMT
I have yet to replay the OT since then. Why bother playing when I know that all you do is ought for nothing? With that kind of logic, why bother living? You're going to die at some point anyway. Geez. If you have citadel DLC just play it till that ends and leave it there if it bothers you that much. Don't do sanctuary. Don't do final battle. Don't do anything past that point if it makes you that upset. Because in the game of life, I have no idea when or how I will die, but a comparison between life and a video game is a bit silly, isn't it? The Citadel DLC doesn't fix anything, tbh, no matter how good it was. ME3 killed the OT for me and there is no changing that. Why bother playing when I know that all you do is ought for nothing? Samantha Traynor. Tali > All.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:56:51 GMT
I have yet to replay the OT since then. Why bother playing when I know that all you do is ought for nothing? Don't forget that there are people that liked the ending. Me included. I understand that, but it doesn't change my feelings on the matter.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2017 14:59:41 GMT
Don't forget that there are people that liked the ending. Me included. I understand that, but it doesn't change my feelings on the matter. Never said it did. My point was Not everyone sees him the way you do,
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 15:08:02 GMT
I understand that, but it doesn't change my feelings on the matter. Never said it did. My point was Not everyone sees him the way you do, Again, I get that, but in truth, the only view that matters to me is mine. The OT is dead to me, my dude. My hope lies in Andromeda.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2017 15:21:42 GMT
Never said it did. My point was Not everyone sees him the way you do, Again, I get that, but in truth, the only view that matters to me is mine. The OT is dead to me, my dude. My hope lies in Andromeda. I get you. That's perfectly fine as while I don't share your view of the OT I do agree that Andromeda is the way forward.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 19, 2017 15:32:37 GMT
Yeah. People get over things like endings of games. Imagine that. What a totally functional way to live and move forward in life. Especially over shit that happened five years ago. I have yet to replay the OT since then. Why bother playing when I know that all you do is ought for nothing? That's only true for Refuse. As for the topic, I see Ars Technica and Gamasutra articles are up.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 15:33:36 GMT
I have yet to replay the OT since then. Why bother playing when I know that all you do is ought for nothing? That's only true for Refuse. As for the topic, I see Ars Technical and Gamasutra articles are up. The Milky Way is essentially destroyed in every ending.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2017 15:34:37 GMT
I have yet to replay the OT since then. Why bother playing when I know that all you do is ought for nothing? That's only true for Refuse. As for the topic, I see Ars Technica and Gamasutra articles are up. I only did Refuse once and it was an accident. It sucked.
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