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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2017 15:35:39 GMT
That's only true for Refuse. As for the topic, I see Ars Technical and Gamasutra articles are up. The Milky Way is essentially destroyed in every ending. Not by a long shot. Pre EC it was definitely left to speculation but the EC does not support that statement.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 15:39:35 GMT
The Milky Way is essentially destroyed in every ending. Not by a long shot. Pre EC it was definitely left to speculation but the EC does not support that statement. The galaxy is in ruins, Shepard is dead or dying, the near future is a galaxy in turmoil. Sure, maybe it is shown that in the future that shit gets better, but I don't care about the speculative future, I cared about the now, and the now was bleak.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 19, 2017 15:40:19 GMT
That's only true for Refuse. As for the topic, I see Ars Technica and Gamasutra articles are up. I only did Refuse once and it was an accident. It sucked. Tried to shoot a hologram, eh? Sure, Refuse sucks. Shepard's choosing principle over reality; how else should it play out? I'm always a fan of RPGs giving the player a chance to fail.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 15:55:29 GMT
Not by a long shot. Pre EC it was definitely left to speculation but the EC does not support that statement. The galaxy is in ruins, Shepard is dead or dying, the near future is a galaxy in turmoil. Sure, maybe it is shown that in the future that shit gets better, but I don't care about the speculative future, I cared about the now, and the now was bleak.... and the now being bleak... the reality of considerable colateral damage... was foreshadowed throughout the Trilogy. Don't recall the times Garrus told Shepard that he/she wasn't going to be able to save everyone and the debates about the "cold--hearted calculus" of war?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 15:58:38 GMT
The galaxy is in ruins, Shepard is dead or dying, the near future is a galaxy in turmoil. Sure, maybe it is shown that in the future that shit gets better, but I don't care about the speculative future, I cared about the now, and the now was bleak.... and the now being bleak... the reality of considerable colateral damage... was foreshadowed throughout the Trilogy. Don't recall the times Garrus told Shepard that he/she wasn't going to be able to save everyone and the debates about the "cold--hearted calculus" of war? Indeed, but regardless, the ending put me off in a big way.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 19, 2017 16:04:54 GMT
[Most of the damage was done before the endings, wasn't it?
As for Shepard, I think we have to apply standard interpretive techniques to the breath clip. Over the decades we've seen many scenes like that in films and TV. I'm not aware of any case where the character really was dying in such a scene. (You can play authorial intent here since the Final Hours app apparently shows that the scene was supposed to be ambiguous, but that just makes the player the final authority on what actually happens after the scene.)
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 16:08:09 GMT
... and the now being bleak... the reality of considerable colateral damage... was foreshadowed throughout the Trilogy. Don't recall the times Garrus told Shepard that he/she wasn't going to be able to save everyone and the debates about the "cold--hearted calculus" of war? Indeed, but regardless, the ending put me off in a big way. That's your prerogative... not everyone likes tragedies in literature just as not everyone likes mysteries or horror stories or comedies. Still, one should have seen the original endings coming from very early on while playing through ME3. There are even things that foreshadow bleak endings as a possibility in ME1. Remember Barla Von telling Shepard that this basically was a dangerous game that would get more dangerous as he/she learned more and also in another part of that same conversation saying clearly that is was a game he/she couldn't win. While I don't think Bioware had a definitive plan to end the Trilogy on a bleak note while they were writing ME1, I think they did have an idea that they might do just that as part of a general theme for the franchise... that of sacrifice and the question of just who or what do people fight wars for. Could such a theme have been done better? Well, it has in many works of literature and even in some movies. Was it really all that bad... I personally liked the original endings, so, no, I don't think it was all that bad (JIMHO, though).
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Post by Archangel on Jul 19, 2017 16:23:14 GMT
They will claim this is proof they were right about MEA and Casey was brought back to save it from Montreal's failures. And this is highly likely. But since some of you are incapable of being objective on the topic....
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Why bother playing when I know that all you do is ought for nothing? Samantha Traynor. Excellent
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Post by themikefest on Jul 19, 2017 16:48:49 GMT
I played DAI before ME3, so when Sam talked and I heard my Inquisitor, I was in love instantly lol What was even better is Alix Wilton Regan(AWR), who is the voice of both, or at least one of two females voicing femquisitor, gets to play chess in both games. excellent. Hopefully she will return in the next DA game to play chess again
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 19, 2017 16:59:14 GMT
I only know this will be a good place to gather some salt anyways. The act of taking pleasure in another's disappointment has a name, you know... Good thing no one cares then, you know? See, already got some salt from this guy. Easy peasy.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2017 17:15:35 GMT
Excellent lol I love that especially when Shep says...."If you told me this morning we'd be breaking into the Normandy with a toothbrush, I'd have been very skeptical."
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2017 17:16:04 GMT
I only did Refuse once and it was an accident. It sucked. Tried to shoot a hologram, eh? Sure, Refuse sucks. Shepard's choosing principle over reality; how else should it play out? I'm always a fan of RPGs giving the player a chance to fail. No I didn't know I could. Edit: Spelling.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:26:15 GMT
The act of taking pleasure in another's disappointment has a name, you know... Good thing no one cares then, you know? See, already got some salt from this guy. Easy peasy. Schadenfreude would be the term since I'm sure at least some are curious. If my calling you out on your schadenfreude is considered salt in your definition, then you are the one with low standards.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:31:26 GMT
Indeed, but regardless, the ending put me off in a big way. That's your prerogative... not everyone likes tragedies in literature just as not everyone likes mysteries or horror stories or comedies. Still, one should have seen the original endings coming from very early on while playing through ME3. There are even things that foreshadow bleak endings as a possibility in ME1. Remember Barla Von telling Shepard that this basically was a dangerous game that would get more dangerous as he/she learned more and also in another part of that same conversation saying clearly that is was a game he/she couldn't win. While I don't think Bioware had a definitive plan to end the Trilogy on a bleak note while they were writing ME1, I think they did have an idea that they might do just that as part of a general theme for the franchise... that of sacrifice and the question of just who or what do people fight wars for. Could such a theme have been done better? Well, it has in many works of literature and even in some movies. Was it really all that bad... I personally liked the original endings, so, no, I don't think it was all that bad (JIMHO, though). I'm not going to go out of my way to trash anyone and everyone who likes the endings like some on these boards to with ME:A, but my opinion on the ending doesn't and won't change either with arguments to the contrary. Imo, the endings killed the OT for me, personally. We can agree to disagree, but this topic is old hat anyway and not really worth diving into on the ME:A General Discussion board. Let and let live, agree to disagree and all that jazz. Maybe one day I will try once again to do an OT runthrough, but that time is not now.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 19, 2017 17:42:33 GMT
Indeed, but regardless, the ending put me off in a big way. That's your prerogative... not everyone likes tragedies in literature just as not everyone likes mysteries or horror stories or comedies. Still, one should have seen the original endings coming from very early on while playing through ME3. There are even things that foreshadow bleak endings as a possibility in ME1. Remember Barla Von telling Shepard that this basically was a dangerous game that would get more dangerous as he/she learned more and also in another part of that same conversation saying clearly that is was a game he/she couldn't win. While I don't think Bioware had a definitive plan to end the Trilogy on a bleak note while they were writing ME1, I think they did have an idea that they might do just that as part of a general theme for the franchise... that of sacrifice and the question of just who or what do people fight wars for. Could such a theme have been done better? Well, it has in many works of literature and even in some movies. Was it really all that bad... I personally liked the original endings, so, no, I don't think it was all that bad (JIMHO, though). People getting p*ssed that they were railroaded into a bleak ending when they were told their choices actually mattered and shaped the story? That these were "our Shepards"? The dickens , you say! Clearly these plebs simply don't understand ART!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:43:01 GMT
That's your prerogative... not everyone likes tragedies in literature just as not everyone likes mysteries or horror stories or comedies. Still, one should have seen the original endings coming from very early on while playing through ME3. There are even things that foreshadow bleak endings as a possibility in ME1. Remember Barla Von telling Shepard that this basically was a dangerous game that would get more dangerous as he/she learned more and also in another part of that same conversation saying clearly that is was a game he/she couldn't win. While I don't think Bioware had a definitive plan to end the Trilogy on a bleak note while they were writing ME1, I think they did have an idea that they might do just that as part of a general theme for the franchise... that of sacrifice and the question of just who or what do people fight wars for. Could such a theme have been done better? Well, it has in many works of literature and even in some movies. Was it really all that bad... I personally liked the original endings, so, no, I don't think it was all that bad (JIMHO, though). I'm not going to go out of my way to trash anyone and everyone who likes the endings like some on these boards to with ME:A, but my opinion on the ending doesn't and won't change either with arguments to the contrary. Imo, the endings killed the OT for me, personally. We can agree to disagree, but this topic is old hat anyway and not really worth diving into on the ME:A General Discussion board. Let and let live, agree to disagree and all that jazz. Maybe one day I will try once again to do an OT runthrough, but that time is not now. Certainly... live and let live... That's why I opened my comment with "that's your prerogative." Regardless of how the journalist's spin Casey's return, I personally think that what's happened here is that Aaryn wanted out after having lived through such stress over the ME3 endings (which he said had cost him lots of therapy bills) and Bioware has been trying to figure out a replacement for him. Casey has agreed to come back so that Aaryn could step down. It's basically all there in Aaryn's announcement. The bottom line here is that fan reactions are chewing through Bioware staff... and, quite frankly, I think there having trouble hiring experience people because those people don't really want to expose themselves to all this shit. The fans keep speculating on a bunch of other causes because they don't want to admit to just how hard all of this has been on this company from the perspective of staff morale. Regrettably, we've already lost a number of creative people from Bioware. Aaryn is just one more. It did (s/b did not) take long for people to start chewing again on Casey... even though, a week ago, a number of people were advocating for his return. IMO, all this "speculation FROM everyone" has gotten to the point of being completely ridiculous.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 17:44:29 GMT
I'm not going to go out of my way to trash anyone and everyone who likes the endings like some on these boards to with ME:A, but my opinion on the ending doesn't and won't change either with arguments to the contrary. Imo, the endings killed the OT for me, personally. We can agree to disagree, but this topic is old hat anyway and not really worth diving into on the ME:A General Discussion board. Let and let live, agree to disagree and all that jazz. Maybe one day I will try once again to do an OT runthrough, but that time is not now. Certainly... live and let live... That's why I opened my comment with "that's your prerogative." Regardless of how the journalist's spin Casey's return, I personally think that what's happened here is that Aaryn wanted out after having lived through such stress over the ME3 endings (which he said had cost him lots of therapy bills) and Bioware has been trying to figure out a replacement for him. Casey has agreed to come back so that Aaryn could step down. It's basically all there in Aaryn's announcement. The bottom line here is that fan reactions are chewing through Bioware staff. The fans keep speculating on a bunch of other causes because they don't want to admit to just how hard all of this has been on this company from the perspective of staff morale. Regrettably, we've already lost a number of creative people from Bioware. Aaryn is just one more. It did take long for people to start chewing again on Casey... even though, a week ago, a number of people were advocating for his return. IMO, all this "speculation FROM everyone" has gotten to the point of being completely ridiculous. BioWare fans are an... interesting breed for sure.
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Post by Archangel on Jul 19, 2017 17:47:46 GMT
And this is highly likely. But since some of you are incapable of being objective on the topic.... Yep! It's the most logical thing a journalist would likely do, and with all that's happened, MEA is no doubt a big part of why this happened. Anthem was even being delayed and I highly doubt it was to make it better. Things are all off schedule it seems. That's not MEA's fault though. Most likely all the changes and EA moving people is what messed things up. They need to bring the hammer down on Bioware's over the top SJW proselytizing. And no, all of you that I just triggered, I'm not going to argu what is and isn't SJW preaching.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 19, 2017 17:48:18 GMT
Casey will save it all, finally, some hope.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 19, 2017 17:50:23 GMT
Tried to shoot a hologram, eh? Sure, Refuse sucks. Shepard's choosing principle over reality; how else should it play out? I'm always a fan of RPGs giving the player a chance to fail. No I didn't know I could. Edit: Spelling. Well, you can't really shoot something that isn't solid. But then how'd you Refuse by accident? I though the dialogue path was pretty clear.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 19, 2017 17:52:47 GMT
Yep! It's the most logical thing a journalist would likely do, and with all that's happened, MEA is no doubt a big part of why this happened. Anthem was even being delayed and I highly doubt it was to make it better. Things are all off schedule it seems. That's not MEA's fault though. Most likely all the changes and EA moving people is what messed things up. They need to bring the hammer down on Bioware's over the top SJW proselytizing. And no, all of you that I just triggered, I'm not going to argu what is and isn't SJW preaching. So that was just a no-content whine rather than a serious argument? Good to know.
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Post by xassantex on Jul 19, 2017 17:53:17 GMT
there could be speculation as to whether MEA2 will have 3 endings.
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Post by Archangel on Jul 19, 2017 18:04:14 GMT
They need to bring the hammer down on Bioware's over the top SJW proselytizing. And no, all of you that I just triggered, I'm not going to argu what is and isn't SJW preaching. So that was just a no-content whine rather than a serious argument? Good to know. No, it was an admission that arguing with SJWs is a pointless waste of time. Virtue signaling is all that matters to them.
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