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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:39:38 GMT
That's your prerogative... not everyone likes tragedies in literature just as not everyone likes mysteries or horror stories or comedies. Still, one should have seen the original endings coming from very early on while playing through ME3. There are even things that foreshadow bleak endings as a possibility in ME1. Remember Barla Von telling Shepard that this basically was a dangerous game that would get more dangerous as he/she learned more and also in another part of that same conversation saying clearly that is was a game he/she couldn't win. While I don't think Bioware had a definitive plan to end the Trilogy on a bleak note while they were writing ME1, I think they did have an idea that they might do just that as part of a general theme for the franchise... that of sacrifice and the question of just who or what do people fight wars for. Could such a theme have been done better? Well, it has in many works of literature and even in some movies. Was it really all that bad... I personally liked the original endings, so, no, I don't think it was all that bad (JIMHO, though). Personally, the tragedy was the way in which it was delivered. A bleak ending I can deal with (a slim possibility of a happy ending is always welcome) and pretty much inevitable but the execution is what spoiled it for me. I won't say ruined as I still replay the OT quite happily but the ending is a definite let down. If the endings had been just as bleak but more coherent and reflected your major decision throughout the games I believe they would have been received far more positively. However, whenever this is brought up it tends to be misunderstood (perhaps deliberately) and dismissed as only wanting a happy ending with rainbows and unicorns. I wanted a happier ending.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2017 20:49:57 GMT
No, nothing secret, it was the same for the original ending as the galaxy survived with the destroy option. If you did not understand the endings that is your problem. In all endings: - Relays are nonfunctional
- Collective civilization is in ruin
- Millions are dead
- Governments are on the verge of collapse
If that isn't a destroyed galaxy to you, then your definition of "destroyed" is unreasonably optimistic. *Non functional but in all endings being rebuilt unless low ems *Did you honestly expect that not to happen? * I wouldn't quite say that and they will recover. So no that's not destroyed to me.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 19, 2017 20:50:27 GMT
The Know reported straight from these forums. (Takes a deep drag off his cigarette)... "merde." So... not even from Casey's tweet? They came here? Dear God. The end is nigh. It seems to me like people are equating this to the old BSN forum, which was an official BioWare forum, and think this must be the same. Hence, they figure what's here is "news".
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:53:04 GMT
In all endings: - Relays are nonfunctional
- Collective civilization is in ruin
- Millions are dead
- Governments are on the verge of collapse
If that isn't a destroyed galaxy to you, then your definition of "destroyed" is unreasonably optimistic. *Non functional but in all endings being rebuilt unless low ems *Did you honestly expect that not to happen? * I wouldn't quite say that and they will recover. So no that's not destroyed to me. As I said to fchopin, I envy your optimism.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:53:34 GMT
That's your prerogative... not everyone likes tragedies in literature just as not everyone likes mysteries or horror stories or comedies. Still, one should have seen the original endings coming from very early on while playing through ME3. There are even things that foreshadow bleak endings as a possibility in ME1. Remember Barla Von telling Shepard that this basically was a dangerous game that would get more dangerous as he/she learned more and also in another part of that same conversation saying clearly that is was a game he/she couldn't win. While I don't think Bioware had a definitive plan to end the Trilogy on a bleak note while they were writing ME1, I think they did have an idea that they might do just that as part of a general theme for the franchise... that of sacrifice and the question of just who or what do people fight wars for. Could such a theme have been done better? Well, it has in many works of literature and even in some movies. Was it really all that bad... I personally liked the original endings, so, no, I don't think it was all that bad (JIMHO, though). Personally, the tragedy was the way in which it was delivered. A bleak ending I can deal with (a slim possibility of a happy ending is always welcome) and pretty much inevitable but the execution is what spoiled it for me. I won't say ruined as I still replay the OT quite happily but the ending is a definite let down. If the endings had been just as bleak but more coherent and reflected your major decision throughout the games I believe they would have been received far more positively. However, whenever this is brought up it tends to be misunderstood (perhaps deliberately) and dismissed as only wanting a happy ending with rainbows and unicorns. For different people, the reasons for liking and/or disliking something like the endings of ME3 vary extensively. I preferred the original endings over the EC ones... which means I have a differing opinion than a lot of people here. I liked, in particular, the ambiguity of EDI's fate with a destroy ending since the pre-EC endings did not show the memorial wall with her name on it... ergo, I could head canon that she was still alive. By arranging to have the quarians eliminate the geth, I could also limit the perceived collateral damage of the destroy ending. IMO, the destroy ending became the obvious "default" best choice under the old endings. That the mass relays were blown apart didn't phase me because I also felt that the species had, during the process of deciphering the crucible weapon, learned a lot about the tech and would be able to eventually rebuild them. In some respects, it is the EC that "ruins" the ME3 endings for me. Still, as I've said many times, I have been able to see my way to select any one of them depending on what sort of belief system I put into Shepard as a character... the more different Shepards I've created, the more "at peace" with the various endings I've become. None of that precludes my ability to recognize that there are others who simply do not like the endings and who never will... just like I can recognize that not everyone likes horror movies... even well written ones. For a game, I consider the ME Trilogy to be well written. I also thing ME:A is better written than it is being given credit for being. There are some aspects of the writing in ME:A that I consider to be superior to the MET. My bottom line, however, has little to do with any of that... I believe that authors should be allowed to construct the story as they want to tell it. RPG developers give us some leeway to inset ourselves into their stories, but they have the same "rights of authorship" as writers who write books... where we have absolutely no ability to shape the characters or the plot to our own liking and certainly no right to badger the authors into changing their stories or forcing them to quit their jobs or badgering companies to fire them merely because they didn't tell us the story in exactly the way we wanted to hear it.
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Post by kino on Jul 19, 2017 20:55:50 GMT
So... not even from Casey's tweet? They came here? Dear God. The end is nigh. It seems to me like people are equating this to the old BSN forum, which was an official BioWare forum, and think this must be the same. Hence, they figure what's here is "news". That's a little sad. I suppose we'll have to get the powers that be here to make the "New Unofficial Forums" tagline at the top bigger. And bolder. Maybe italicize and underline while they're at it. Make it a gif and get it to flash or something.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2017 21:00:34 GMT
*Non functional but in all endings being rebuilt unless low ems *Did you honestly expect that not to happen? * I wouldn't quite say that and they will recover. So no that's not destroyed to me. As I said to fchopin, I envy your optimism.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:06:01 GMT
So... not even from Casey's tweet? They came here? Dear God. The end is nigh. It seems to me like people are equating this to the old BSN forum, which was an official BioWare forum, and think this must be the same. Hence, they figure what's here is "news". A valid and logical conclusion.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 19, 2017 21:11:18 GMT
Relays nonfunctional: no problem we can rebuild them. Colective cicilizationsin ruin: same as in most big wars. Millions dead: same in any big galactic war, so nothing new. Governmends on verge of collapse: same in any galactic war, governments come and go and the worlds continue without problems. This is you in relation to ME3's ending. To be honest with you, I wish I could simply hand-wave away all of the problems facing the Milky Way's survival post Reaper War, I really do. I envy your ability to interpret all of the crushing defeat as hopeful good and optimism for the future... I envy you sir. OK, in a general paragon run, I had these types of things (varies based on some choices, but this outcome could happen): quarians living on rannoch wrex and grunt return to tuchanka, we see rebuilding taking place for the first time in millennia, and babies are being born jack is teaching biotic kids jacob is a teacher miranda is working with the alliance samara is spending time on lessus with her remaining daughter the citadel is rebuilt So, how exactly is that in line with what you think happened? No one said it was going to be easy. What war zone looks optimal after all is said and done?
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 19, 2017 21:24:48 GMT
Holy crap, it's 2012 all over again! Mass Effect 3 Ending hysteria is back, and more salty than ever!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:26:35 GMT
Holy crap, it's 2012 all over again! Mass Effect 3 Ending hysteria is back, and more salty than ever! 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016... Did it ever go away?
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Post by suikoden on Jul 19, 2017 21:42:16 GMT
Relays nonfunctional: no problem we can rebuild them. Colective cicilizationsin ruin: same as in most big wars. Millions dead: same in any big galactic war, so nothing new. Governmends on verge of collapse: same in any galactic war, governments come and go and the worlds continue without problems. This is you in relation to ME3's ending. To be honest with you, I wish I could simply hand-wave away all of the problems facing the Milky Way's survival post Reaper War, I really do. I envy your ability to interpret all of the crushing defeat as hopeful good and optimism for the future... I envy you sir. To be honest with you, I wish I could simply hand-wave away all of the problems facing Mass Effect's survival post Andromeda, I really do. I envy your ability to interpret all of the crushing defeat as hopeful good and optimism for the future... I envy you sir.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:50:12 GMT
This is you in relation to ME3's ending. To be honest with you, I wish I could simply hand-wave away all of the problems facing the Milky Way's survival post Reaper War, I really do. I envy your ability to interpret all of the crushing defeat as hopeful good and optimism for the future... I envy you sir. To be honest with you, I wish I could simply hand-wave away all of the problems facing Mass Effect's survival post Andromeda, I really do. I envy your ability to interpret all of the crushing defeat as hopeful good and optimism for the future... I envy you sir. Copy/Paste job. How childish. Not that I expect any better...
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:51:20 GMT
This is you in relation to ME3's ending. To be honest with you, I wish I could simply hand-wave away all of the problems facing the Milky Way's survival post Reaper War, I really do. I envy your ability to interpret all of the crushing defeat as hopeful good and optimism for the future... I envy you sir. OK, in a general paragon run, I had these types of things (varies based on some choices, but this outcome could happen): quarians living on rannoch wrex and grunt return to tuchanka, we see rebuilding taking place for the first time in millennia, and babies are being born jack is teaching biotic kids jacob is a teacher miranda is working with the alliance samara is spending time on lessus with her remaining daughter the citadel is rebuilt So, how exactly is that in line with what you think happened? No one said it was going to be easy. What war zone looks optimal after all is said and done? All of those thing would have taken place in a fairly distant future, not in the time period of the universe I grew to love.
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I've already seen a couple of articles referring to Flynn leaving and Hudson coming back as a 'shake up' at Bioware.
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Yep! It's the most logical thing a journalist would likely do, and with all that's happened, MEA is no doubt a big part of why this happened. Anthem was even being delayed and I highly doubt it was to make it better. Things are all off schedule it seems. That's not MEA's fault though. Most likely all the changes and EA moving people is what messed things up. They need to bring the hammer down on Bioware's over the top SJW proselytizing. And no, all of you that I just triggered, I'm not going to argu what is and isn't SJW preaching. Yeah, because why bother actually making a point?
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Post by suikoden on Jul 19, 2017 22:19:57 GMT
To be honest with you, I wish I could simply hand-wave away all of the problems facing Mass Effect's survival post Andromeda, I really do. I envy your ability to interpret all of the crushing defeat as hopeful good and optimism for the future... I envy you sir. Copy/Paste job. How childish. Not that I expect any better... And yet it's true.
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Post by fiannawolf on Jul 19, 2017 22:37:04 GMT
Still firmly in the ME3 endings are unforgivable camp. But that was all examined in detail in the ME: Critical Thread.
One thing is for sure...If Casey is gonna be in more ME or Anthem stuff...Ill youtube the hell out of that story to see if they trip again. Hate to get invested and it turns into mush at the end.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 19, 2017 22:50:06 GMT
I love it. I'm shitting on a game you like and you can't fucking take it! Goddamn you are such a hypocrite. We get it, dude. You're a sociopath with a hateboner for ME:A and you enjoy making people miserable to the point of paraphilia. Why don't you go run to the mods and report personal attacks, even though you know full well that you antagonize on purpose and fully expect, no, want reactions from people. The fact that the mods haven't banned your ass for inciting bullshit baffles me. Must be avoiding possible blowback from the rest of the trollops here or they are just too nice, bless their hearts. I really miss good ol' Evil Chris sometimes. Fuck off, and stay far away from me and I will do the same. I'm done engaging with what is and obvious troll. Seeing as I feel towards Andromeda as you do towards ME:3, I figured this could be an informative example for you to help you understand my opinions - but no, you're clearly incapable of that. And I'll engage with whomever I want. If you post something I disagree with, you'll get my opinion on it - and if you can't handle that, there's always the 'ignore' button at your disposal. And yes, I did report this, because clearly you need to reconsider how to engage with users that have an opinion different from your own on this forum.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 22:57:33 GMT
I love it. I'm shitting on a game you like and you can't fucking take it! Goddamn you are such a hypocrite. We get it, dude. You're a sociopath with a hateboner for ME:A and you enjoy making people miserable to the point of paraphilia. Why don't you go run to the mods and report personal attacks, even though you know full well that you antagonize on purpose and fully expect, no, want reactions from people. The fact that the mods haven't banned your ass for inciting bullshit baffles me. Must be avoiding possible blowback from the rest of the trollops here or they are just too nice, bless their hearts. I really miss good ol' Evil Chris sometimes. Fuck off, and stay far away from me and I will do the same. I'm done engaging with what is and obvious troll. Seeing as I feel towards Andromeda as you do towards ME:3, I figured this could be an informative example for you to help you understand my opinions - but no, you're clearly incapable of that. And I'll engage with whomever I want. If you post something I disagree with, you'll get my opinion on it - and if you can't handle that, there's always the 'ignore' button at your disposal. And yes, I did report this, because clearly you need to reconsider how to engage with users that have an opinion different from your own on this forum. Typical. Blocked.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 19, 2017 23:03:33 GMT
OK, in a general paragon run, I had these types of things (varies based on some choices, but this outcome could happen): quarians living on rannoch wrex and grunt return to tuchanka, we see rebuilding taking place for the first time in millennia, and babies are being born jack is teaching biotic kids jacob is a teacher miranda is working with the alliance samara is spending time on lessus with her remaining daughter the citadel is rebuilt So, how exactly is that in line with what you think happened? No one said it was going to be easy. What war zone looks optimal after all is said and done? All of those thing would have taken place in a fairly distant future, not in the time period of the universe I grew to love. First, that's conjecture. No timeline is placed but given that our known surviving cast are all doing well, the idea that things are horrifying makes no sense. Clearly, whatever difficulties that may happen, it ultimately leads to a fairly decent outcome. Hence, I can say that choosing Destroy could (depending on my choices) lead to a good, positive, shiny future. The galaxy definitely wasn't in the best shape but "destroyed" isn't accurate. Now, maybe that's the difference between EC and pre-EC but EC is "canon" for whatever the means.
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All of those thing would have taken place in a fairly distant future, not in the time period of the universe I grew to love. First, that's conjecture. No timeline is placed but given that our known surviving cast are all doing well, the idea that things are horrifying makes no sense. Clearly, whatever difficulties that may happen, it ultimately leads to a fairly decent outcome. Hence, I can say that choosing Destroy could (depending on my choices) lead to a good, positive, shiny future. The galaxy definitely wasn't in the best shape but "destroyed" isn't accurate. Now, maybe that's the difference between EC and pre-EC but EC is "canon" for whatever the means. Your gonna have to give me reason to believe anything I said is conjecture as the ending is so full of holes that all one can do if fill in the blanks with imperfect information.
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Post by Draining Dragon on Jul 19, 2017 23:06:53 GMT
Folks, let's settle down a bit. There's no need to start insulting each other.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 19, 2017 23:11:14 GMT
Yep! It's the most logical thing a journalist would likely do, and with all that's happened, MEA is no doubt a big part of why this happened. Anthem was even being delayed and I highly doubt it was to make it better. Things are all off schedule it seems. That's not MEA's fault though. Most likely all the changes and EA moving people is what messed things up. They need to bring the hammer down on Bioware's over the top SJW proselytizing. And no, all of you that I just triggered, I'm not going to argu what is and isn't SJW preaching. Sure, because then you'd have to explain why only you deserve to be catered to.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 19, 2017 23:19:40 GMT
Wow this went down the "John" fast. I think we all need to chill out a bit.
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