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Post by Psychevore on Jul 19, 2017 23:30:51 GMT
Still firmly in the ME3 endings are unforgivable camp. But that was all examined in detail in the ME: Critical Thread. One thing is for sure...If Casey is gonna be in more ME or Anthem stuff...Ill youtube the hell out of that story to see if they trip again. Hate to get invested and it turns into mush at the end. Seriously? You'd spoil the entire story on the off chance you might not like the ending? Woah.
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Post by kino on Jul 19, 2017 23:32:14 GMT
They need to bring the hammer down on Bioware's over the top SJW proselytizing. And no, all of you that I just triggered, I'm not going to argu what is and isn't SJW preaching. EA caters a lot to people who are not truly passionate about the games. We fans here have given a lot of ideas and suggestions that BW took and added, and it made the games even better. Throwing us aside for kids who will tire and sell the game first chance they get feels like a slap in the face sometimes. Even richer is that anyone would think that Casey Hudson of all people is going to "bring the hammer down on SJW proselytizing." That's hilarious.
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Post by fiannawolf on Jul 19, 2017 23:37:27 GMT
Still firmly in the ME3 endings are unforgivable camp. But that was all examined in detail in the ME: Critical Thread. One thing is for sure...If Casey is gonna be in more ME or Anthem stuff...Ill youtube the hell out of that story to see if they trip again. Hate to get invested and it turns into mush at the end. Seriously? You'd spoil the entire story on the off chance you might not like the ending? Woah. I did that with Horizon Zero Dawn to make sure it didnt suck. Turns out its gonna be the system seller for me. All in all, its a win win for me.
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Seriously? You'd spoil the entire story on the off chance you might not like the ending? Woah. I did that with Horizon Zero Dawn to make sure it didnt suck. Turns out its gonna be the system seller for me. All in all, its a win win for me. I'm at a loss for words, really. To each it's own I guess.
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Post by Sondergaard on Jul 19, 2017 23:51:18 GMT
First, that's conjecture. No timeline is placed but given that our known surviving cast are all doing well, the idea that things are horrifying makes no sense. Clearly, whatever difficulties that may happen, it ultimately leads to a fairly decent outcome. Hence, I can say that choosing Destroy could (depending on my choices) lead to a good, positive, shiny future. The galaxy definitely wasn't in the best shape but "destroyed" isn't accurate. Now, maybe that's the difference between EC and pre-EC but EC is "canon" for whatever the means. Your gonna have to give me reason to believe anything I said is conjecture as the ending is so full of holes that all one can do if fill in the blanks with imperfect information. It's right there on the screen at the end of the game. No blank filling needed. You're ignoring it to make a point. I have no idea why. You might not like how we get there (Starbrat, Red/Green/Blue- I know I don't), but get there we do.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 19, 2017 23:54:04 GMT
They will claim this is proof they were right about MEA and Casey was brought back to save it from Montreal's failures. Ironic...considering those same people were probably glad he left in the first place...cause you know endings Wasn't Hudson part of the team that thought moving the series to Andromeda as well?
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Your gonna have to give me reason to believe anything I said is conjecture as the ending is so full of holes that all one can do if fill in the blanks with imperfect information. It's right there on the screen at the end of the game. No blank filling needed. You're ignoring it to make a point. I have no idea why. You might not like how we get there (Starbrat, Red/Green/Blue- I know I don't), but get there we do. It has been 5 years since I played ME3. I never recall seeing much explained in the EC.
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Holy crap, it's 2012 all over again! Mass Effect 3 Ending hysteria is back, and more salty than ever! 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016... Did it ever go away? I really wish it would. I mean it's a game for christ's sake. What I wonder is if people hung up over this still half a decade later must have absolutely no real issues of consequence in their life. Because if they did, I think they might realize that of all the things to get hung up on, this would be the most absurd. The only situation where it might make sense to me that people were still troubled over it is if the games were their go to thing to help them feel better when RL shit got to them. Then it would make sense that someone messed up something they used to help them deal. Otherwise, just deal and move on.
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Post by Seera1024 on Jul 20, 2017 0:38:39 GMT
It's right there on the screen at the end of the game. No blank filling needed. You're ignoring it to make a point. I have no idea why. You might not like how we get there (Starbrat, Red/Green/Blue- I know I don't), but get there we do. It has been 5 years since I played ME3. I never recall seeing much explained in the EC. Well, given that it shows pictures of Jack looking still relatively the same age and Tali, it can't be that far into the future. Whether or not the overall state of the galaxy is much better off than where it was at the end is unknown.
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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 20, 2017 0:38:42 GMT
It's right there on the screen at the end of the game. No blank filling needed. You're ignoring it to make a point. I have no idea why. You might not like how we get there (Starbrat, Red/Green/Blue- I know I don't), but get there we do. It has been 5 years since I played ME3. I never recall seeing much explained in the EC. You might want to reload the ending and watch the slides.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 20, 2017 0:41:28 GMT
2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016... Did it ever go away? I really wish it would. I mean it's a game for christ's sake. What I wonder is if people hung up over this still half a decade later must have absolutely no real issues of consequence in their life. Because if they did, I think they might realize that of all the things to get hung up on, this would be the most absurd. The only situation where it might make sense to me that people were still troubled over it is if the games were their go to thing to help them feel better when RL shit got to them. Then it would make sense that someone messed up something they used to help them deal. Otherwise, just deal and move on. When the topic of Casey's past comes up, it's appropriate to discuss that past. Folks are naturally going to talk about what they did and didn't like about what occurred under his "leadership." Not sure why you wouldn't expect that.
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I really wish it would. I mean it's a game for christ's sake. What I wonder is if people hung up over this still half a decade later must have absolutely no real issues of consequence in their life. Because if they did, I think they might realize that of all the things to get hung up on, this would be the most absurd. The only situation where it might make sense to me that people were still troubled over it is if the games were their go to thing to help them feel better when RL shit got to them. Then it would make sense that someone messed up something they used to help them deal. Otherwise, just deal and move on. When the topic of Casey's past comes up, it's appropriate to discuss that past. Folks are naturally going to talk about what they did and didn't like about what occurred under his "leadership." Not sure why you wouldn't expect that. Frankly, I'm surprised that Casey has agreed to come back and take on this role. I honestly think he'll maintain a distance from Mass Effect... heck, the hiatus of the franchise may have even been a "condition" of convincing him to take on the role of GM. Stranger deals have been struck before.
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When the topic of Casey's past comes up, it's appropriate to discuss that past. Folks are naturally going to talk about what they did and didn't like about what occurred under his "leadership." Not sure why you wouldn't expect that. Frankly, I'm surprised that Casey has agreed to come back and take on this role. I honestly think he'll maintain a distance from Mass Effect... heck, the hiatus of the franchise may have even been a "condition" of convincing him to take on the role of GM. Stranger deals have been struck before. I highly doubt that he would 1) want to see it go into hiatus and 2) I surely doubt they would agree to do that if it has a chance to make money. Given they only have two series to work with right now and Anthem unproven and in the works, agreeing to put one on hiatus would be a foolish proposition. From a financial standpoint, it could leave them with nothing but DAI if Anthem doesn't do well.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 2:04:42 GMT
Frankly, I'm surprised that Casey has agreed to come back and take on this role. I honestly think he'll maintain a distance from Mass Effect... heck, the hiatus of the franchise may have even been a "condition" of convincing him to take on the role of GM. Stranger deals have been struck before. I highly doubt that he would 1) want to see it go into hiatus and 2) I surely doubt they would agree to do that if it has a chance to make money. Given they only have two series to work with right now and Anthem unproven and in the works, agreeing to put one on hiatus would be a foolish proposition. From a financial standpoint, it could leave them with nothing but DAI if Anthem doesn't do well. Hiatus, however, is not a cancellation of the IP... It's putting a temporary "hold" on things... to allow time for Casey to get a better handle on what's actually happened and decide on a course of action to sort the issues out... as opposed to just walking in on a mess and being expected to make instant decisions about its direction.
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Post by DoctorFox on Jul 20, 2017 2:07:34 GMT
Casey did a great job with the Mass Effect series right up until the end of Mass Effect 3 where EA forced him to release work that was still in progress. Just like they fucked over Bioware Montreal's team after they warned EA that the game wasn't ready and it needed a few more months to fix the animations. Casey is good for Bioware, i'm just not sure if it will be enough to stop EA from ruining the dev studio though. They seem hell bent on killing franchises and ruining IP's.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 20, 2017 2:13:43 GMT
Casey did a great job with the Mass Effect series right up until the end of Mass Effect 3 where EA forced him to release work that was still in progress. Just like they fucked over Bioware Montreal's team after they warned EA that the game wasn't ready and it needed a few more months to fix the animations. Casey is good for Bioware, i'm just not sure if it will be enough to stop EA from ruining the dev studio though. They seem hell bent on killing franchises and ruining IP's. Wait what was unfinished exactly? Everything was solid but the endings needed polish that's it.
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Post by ATR16 on Jul 20, 2017 2:16:14 GMT
Was it Casey Hudson or Mac Walters that had/has the Synthesis boner?
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Post by ATR16 on Jul 20, 2017 2:21:02 GMT
Casey did a great job with the Mass Effect series right up until the end of Mass Effect 3 where EA forced him to release work that was still in progress. Just like they fucked over Bioware Montreal's team after they warned EA that the game wasn't ready and it needed a few more months to fix the animations. Casey is good for Bioware, i'm just not sure if it will be enough to stop EA from ruining the dev studio though. They seem hell bent on killing franchises and ruining IP's. Wait what was unfinished exactly? Everything was solid but the endings needed polish that's it. Yeah, I'm calling BS on that. I remember the word at the time being that they threw the original endings out because they got leaked and over the course of the weekend Hudson, and I think Walters, rewrote them. Now, is that EA's fault that Bioware had a leak? Is it EA's fault that they were saying "No more delays"? Was it EA's fault that 2 guys figured they had it all handled? I really don't think most people here have any idea how businesses and corporate decision making work. People seem to think it's like some suit at EA is pointing his finger around like "You two get in a room together. No leaving all weekend. No bathroom breaks. Rewrite these endings like this and whatever you have Monday morning is going into the game" When its probably some guy at EA asking "So, whatcha gonna do? Action plan. Lets go", gets his reply, maybe a little back and forth and then "Alright. Get to work."
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 20, 2017 2:22:56 GMT
No, nothing secret, it was the same for the original ending as the galaxy survived with the destroy option. If you did not understand the endings that is your problem. In all endings: - Relays are nonfunctional
- Collective civilization is in ruin
- Millions are dead
- Governments are on the verge of collapse
If that isn't a destroyed galaxy to you, then your definition of "destroyed" is unreasonably optimistic. Again, weren't the last three bullet points true before we get to the endings?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2017 2:28:26 GMT
I highly doubt that he would 1) want to see it go into hiatus and 2) I surely doubt they would agree to do that if it has a chance to make money. Given they only have two series to work with right now and Anthem unproven and in the works, agreeing to put one on hiatus would be a foolish proposition. From a financial standpoint, it could leave them with nothing but DAI if Anthem doesn't do well. Hiatus, however, is not a cancellation of the IP... It's putting a temporary "hold" on things... to allow time for Casey to get a better handle on what's actually happened and decide on a course of action to sort the issues out... as opposed to just walking in on a mess and being expected to make instant decisions about its direction. Except this hiatus thing is such a stupid status to be throwing around when either way they won't be working on it for years. So giving it that status is just absurd at best. People who give it that status do so to make it seem like the end is nigh.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Jul 20, 2017 2:30:53 GMT
In all endings: - Relays are nonfunctional
- Collective civilization is in ruin
- Millions are dead
- Governments are on the verge of collapse
If that isn't a destroyed galaxy to you, then your definition of "destroyed" is unreasonably optimistic. Again, weren't the last three bullet points true before we get to the endings? Yes. "Victory" was always going to mean "a chance to rebuild." That was obvious lass than a third of the way into the game. With the galactic refusal of Shepard's warning, survival in this cycle was absolutely in doubt, as it should have been. That never bothered me about the endings. I was never bothered, and expected honestly, that Shepard would die, either in sacrifice or in a blaze of glory, or both. Instead, I got the endings which I personally dislike a lot, but also have no interest in discussing further a topic that has been beaten into glue by this forum and it's precedent.
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 20, 2017 2:31:14 GMT
Wait what was unfinished exactly? Everything was solid but the endings needed polish that's it. Yeah, I'm calling BS on that. I remember the word at the time being that they threw the original endings out because they got leaked and over the course of the weekend Hudson, and I think Walters, rewrote them. Now, is that EA's fault that Bioware had a leak? Is it EA's fault that they were saying "No more delays"? Was it EA's fault that 2 guys figured they had it all handled? I really don't think most people here have any idea how businesses and corporate decision making work. People seem to think it's like some suit at EA is pointing his finger around like "You two get in a room together. No leaving all weekend. No bathroom breaks. Rewrite these endings like this and whatever you have Monday morning is going into the game" When its probably some guy at EA asking "So, whatcha gonna do? Action plan. Lets go", gets his reply, maybe a little back and forth and then "Alright. Get to work." Again, must point out the rumor of Hudson and Walters doing it on their own a fabrication still.
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Post by ATR16 on Jul 20, 2017 2:33:02 GMT
Hiatus, however, is not a cancellation of the IP... It's putting a temporary "hold" on things... to allow time for Casey to get a better handle on what's actually happened and decide on a course of action to sort the issues out... as opposed to just walking in on a mess and being expected to make instant decisions about its direction. Except this hiatus thing is such a stupid status to be throwing around when either way they won't be working on it for years. So giving it that status is just absurd at best. People who give it that status do so to make it seem like the end is nigh. Yeah it isn't dead dead, but I'd be surprised if we see a Mass Effect title before 2022 right now. Anthem next year (but probably 2019 after a delay), Dragon Age in 2020-2021 Only thing I could see happening is like 2 to 3 years from now some form of mega ultimate trilogy HD edition re-release as a way to test the waters with something they have confidence in as like a soft test for whether they should make Andromeda 2 or if they'll focus on pumping out a Anthem 2 and push ME to the back of the line again.
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Post by ATR16 on Jul 20, 2017 2:35:49 GMT
Yeah, I'm calling BS on that. I remember the word at the time being that they threw the original endings out because they got leaked and over the course of the weekend Hudson, and I think Walters, rewrote them. Now, is that EA's fault that Bioware had a leak? Is it EA's fault that they were saying "No more delays"? Was it EA's fault that 2 guys figured they had it all handled? I really don't think most people here have any idea how businesses and corporate decision making work. People seem to think it's like some suit at EA is pointing his finger around like "You two get in a room together. No leaving all weekend. No bathroom breaks. Rewrite these endings like this and whatever you have Monday morning is going into the game" When its probably some guy at EA asking "So, whatcha gonna do? Action plan. Lets go", gets his reply, maybe a little back and forth and then "Alright. Get to work." Again, must point out the rumor of Hudson and Walters doing it on their own a fabrication still. Yeah, very easily could be. But its not like it was EA's fault. The endings were written and produced in house. EA already gave them one or two delays on the game. At some point, no more and you have to get your job done. Its like writing a paper in college or most deadlines in business. Sometimes you can get it extended but only so much. Eventually you have to have your work finished. If your work isn't good, it isn't someone elses fault.
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Post by kino on Jul 20, 2017 2:36:21 GMT
When the topic of Casey's past comes up, it's appropriate to discuss that past. Folks are naturally going to talk about what they did and didn't like about what occurred under his "leadership." Not sure why you wouldn't expect that. Frankly, I'm surprised that Casey has agreed to come back and take on this role. I honestly think he'll maintain a distance from Mass Effect... heck, the hiatus of the franchise may have even been a "condition" of convincing him to take on the role of GM. Stranger deals have been struck before. Well, as the General Manager he's certainly not going to be as hands on as he used to be. Oversight of all ongoing projects will pretty much guarantee that.
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