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Post by linksocarina on Jul 21, 2017 21:57:57 GMT
Suikoden, I don't agree with you at all on your assertions because I find them personally to be flawed, but I can respect the fact that you at least try to bring this type of stuff to the forefront. Here is what I mean though by a flawed assertion. The game dropping off the charts is not good, we can agree on that, but also note the type of game Andromeda was compared to the others presented. Two of which are kept afloat by multi-player, one of which is by all intents and purposes game of the year already, and one that became a sleeper hit and just got a DLC announcement. The three games you highlight as Andromeda's peers are of a different genre technically. Only Horizion really has a foothold as an RPG, but it's association is tangible at best. I think that speaks of the nature of RPG's in general being a smaller audience. Two games also off that list are Persona 5 and Neir Automania. Both of which were high profile RPGs released relatively in the same period. Persona 5 is only on the April list at number 2, then had a massive drop-off. Neir dropped off in June as well after being on the charts shown at 9, 18 and 18 from month to month. Morrowind from ESO made the lower portion of the list for June but will likely drop by July sales as well, if not be close to the bottom again. I think there is more of a compelling argument to say role-playing games have little staying power when compared to other genres. With that context...Andromeda lasted three months, which is about the same time as Neir and double the length of Persona 5, against heavier competition and what includes two games designed for multiplayer, one game being a brand new IP, and what is likely going to be Game of the Year. It is easy to call it a failure but I think it's just as dismissive to say it failed completely by following just those metrics. There is little analysis in that, which I wager is the problem people have with your posts. I know I do. One other thing to keep in mind is that Persona, Zelda and Horizon are limited to a single console (while Nier is only on PS4 and PC), so that's a competitive advantage that Andromeda has over them. Zelda and Persona 5 were on two consoles, I should point out. That said, if you break it down to only one console which drives most of the sales anyway (PS4 for all except Zelda and arguably GTA) that advantage is minimally impacting sales.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 21, 2017 23:14:48 GMT
The thing with these types of figures are that online sales aren't included. You can't even buy a physical PC version in the US. So almost every PC player in the US got their game online. And also, GTA 5 is on current and previous gen consoles, plus PC. I'm sure that doesn't hurt sales. I have seen these phone cards that you buy a digital copy for the consoles (and probably the PC) at stores like Wal-Mart.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 22, 2017 2:26:13 GMT
You are ignoring logic cause it doesnt fit your narrative. Here's my narrative: No one knows actually knows how well/poorly Andromeda sold except for the suits at EA and Bioware, and no one knows if it matched projections except for the suits at EA and Bioware, and we can both look at the same numbers and come to vastly different conclusions. That's my narrative. Oh, also that I want a DLC. edited to add: Your narrative is that you didn't like Andromeda so you don't think it did well and you'll do whatever you can to prove to those of us who did enjoy it that we're wrong and that it really was a terrible, terrible game. I don't have a narrative, but you sure do. EA went all out with DAI in their first earnings call after launch by saying this: "Dragon Age: Inquisition captivated fans and critics worldwide as it launched in November, and it quickly became the most successful launch in BioWare history. More than 113 million hours have already been spent exploring the depth and detail of the single-player experience in Dragon Age: Inquisition, and more players are joining each day. Named “Game of the Year” by 32 media outlets around the world, including IGN, Game Informer and the Associated Press, Dragon Age: Inquisition is a true masterpiece from the team at BioWare and a game that is sure to be played for a long time to come." Why didn't EA go all out with MEA in the same way? I mean EA really baked the pie, then put some whipped cream and a cherry on top for DAI but did nothing of sorts for MEA....and MEA was the ONLY AAA game released that quarter. I wonder why...
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 22, 2017 2:32:25 GMT
EA went all out with DAI in their first earnings call after launch by saying this: "Dragon Age: Inquisition captivated fans and critics worldwide as it launched in November, and it quickly became the most successful launch in BioWare history. More than 113 million hours have already been spent exploring the depth and detail of the single-player experience in Dragon Age: Inquisition, and more players are joining each day. Named “Game of the Year” by 32 media outlets around the world, including IGN, Game Informer and the Associated Press, Dragon Age: Inquisition is a true masterpiece from the team at BioWare and a game that is sure to be played for a long time to come." Why didn't EA go all out with MEA in the same way? I mean EA really baked the pie, then put some whipped cream and a cherry on top for DAI but did nothing of sorts for MEA....and MEA was the ONLY AAA game released that quarter. I wonder why... You ask this question as if I am ignorant of the reviews MEA got.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 22, 2017 2:36:14 GMT
The thing with these types of figures are that online sales aren't included. You can't even buy a physical PC version in the US. So almost every PC player in the US got their game online. And also, GTA 5 is on current and previous gen consoles, plus PC. I'm sure that doesn't hurt sales. I have seen these phone cards that you buy a digital copy for the consoles (and probably the PC) at stores like Wal-Mart. Are those "buy any game type cards"? If so, it would still be online and I never see those numbers. It's always physical copies. Do sites like Steam, GoG.com, Ubisoft, Beamdog, Origin, Microsoft, Bethesda, etc. put out those numbers on a regular basis? You would think that would be easily accessible.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 22, 2017 2:38:14 GMT
You are ignoring logic cause it doesnt fit your narrative. Dude, you're suggesting pokemon and COD stole DAI's audience. Let's not start accusing people of ignoring logic, please. What I meant was COD and Pokemon appeals to a larger audience while DAI appeals to a smaller audience. When you appeal to a larger audience you get more sales. That is why despite the success of DAI, it still sold way less than the other gamea that came out between August 2014 - November 2014. That is why DAI never really cracked the top 10. MEA cracked the top 10, but didnt have to go up against the same juggernaut franchises as DAI.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 22, 2017 2:40:30 GMT
Here's my narrative: No one knows actually knows how well/poorly Andromeda sold except for the suits at EA and Bioware, and no one knows if it matched projections except for the suits at EA and Bioware, and we can both look at the same numbers and come to vastly different conclusions. That's my narrative. Oh, also that I want a DLC. edited to add: Your narrative is that you didn't like Andromeda so you don't think it did well and you'll do whatever you can to prove to those of us who did enjoy it that we're wrong and that it really was a terrible, terrible game. I don't have a narrative, but you sure do. EA went all out with DAI in their first earnings call after launch by saying this: "Dragon Age: Inquisition captivated fans and critics worldwide as it launched in November, and it quickly became the most successful launch in BioWare history. More than 113 million hours have already been spent exploring the depth and detail of the single-player experience in Dragon Age: Inquisition, and more players are joining each day. Named “Game of the Year” by 32 media outlets around the world, including IGN, Game Informer and the Associated Press, Dragon Age: Inquisition is a true masterpiece from the team at BioWare and a game that is sure to be played for a long time to come." Why didn't EA go all out with MEA in the same way? I mean EA really baked the pie, then put some whipped cream and a cherry on top for DAI but did nothing of sorts for MEA....and MEA was the ONLY AAA game released that quarter. I wonder why... The real question is, how did EA describe ME3 during that earnings call? That's a much better comparison. ME3 sold very well, had many DLC's, and was a critical and financial success, however it was surrounded by controversy (muh endings). Here's the earnings call transcript for 2012. www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/article/567641-electronic-arts-ceo-discusses-q4-2012-results-earnings-call-transcriptWhile in general vaguely more positive about ME3 than the MEA report, it still almost never talks about ME3 alone, instead grouping it in with the other games released that quarter. The only individual mentions were ME3 merchandise and the addition of ME3MP, which makes sense to mention as it was new. See many similarities between how they are presented? Nothing like DAI, which makes sense as that won GOTY and had the Bioware sales record. ME3 was still successful, got DLC, and a continuation of the franchise.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 22, 2017 2:44:09 GMT
EA went all out with DAI in their first earnings call after launch by saying this: "Dragon Age: Inquisition captivated fans and critics worldwide as it launched in November, and it quickly became the most successful launch in BioWare history. More than 113 million hours have already been spent exploring the depth and detail of the single-player experience in Dragon Age: Inquisition, and more players are joining each day. Named “Game of the Year” by 32 media outlets around the world, including IGN, Game Informer and the Associated Press, Dragon Age: Inquisition is a true masterpiece from the team at BioWare and a game that is sure to be played for a long time to come." Why didn't EA go all out with MEA in the same way? I mean EA really baked the pie, then put some whipped cream and a cherry on top for DAI but did nothing of sorts for MEA....and MEA was the ONLY AAA game released that quarter. I wonder why... You ask this question as if I am ignorant of the reviews MEA got. What does this have to do with reviews? If MEA had great data, wouldnt EA mention that? Why didnt EA comment on the number of hours people put into the game like with DAI? Why not offset the negative review stats with their own positive internal stats? When you are a kid and have a new cool toy, you talk about it and show it off like EA did with DAI. It is telling that EA didnt give MEA the same treatment other than vague compliments.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 22, 2017 2:45:06 GMT
Dude, you're suggesting pokemon and COD stole DAI's audience. Let's not start accusing people of ignoring logic, please. What I meant was COD and Pokemon appeals to a larger audience while DAI appeals to a smaller audience. When you appeal to a larger audience you get more sales. That is why despite the success of DAI, it still sold way less than the other gamea that came out between August 2014 - November 2014. That is why DAI never really cracked the top 10. MEA cracked the top 10, but didnt have to go up against the same juggernaut franchises as DAI. . Lol, yeah MEA didn't go up against any Juggernaut franchises like Pokemon. Just MOTHER F***ING ZELDA!! Had anyone even heard of that game before? Pretty sure there was zero hype for it. Right? RIGHT?!?
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 22, 2017 2:52:09 GMT
What I meant was COD and Pokemon appeals to a larger audience while DAI appeals to a smaller audience. When you appeal to a larger audience you get more sales. That is why despite the success of DAI, it still sold way less than the other gamea that came out between August 2014 - November 2014. That is why DAI never really cracked the top 10. MEA cracked the top 10, but didnt have to go up against the same juggernaut franchises as DAI. . Lol, yeah MEA didn't go up against any Juggernaut franchises like Pokemon. Just MOTHER F***ING ZELDA!! Had anyone even heard of that game before? Pretty sure there was zero hype for it. Right? RIGHT?!? One game compared to many like Halo, Madden, FIFA, Call of Duty, Pokemon, GTA5, and AC. My point remains the same. DAI faced against more.
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Post by Monica21 on Jul 22, 2017 2:54:24 GMT
What does this have to do with reviews? You... you literally just posted a quote from the earnings call that listed the awards DAI got. What do you mean "what does this have to do with reviews"? I am unable to answer that question without speculating, and you can't answer it without speculating, so how about you stop speculating? Whatever.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 22, 2017 3:00:22 GMT
. Lol, yeah MEA didn't go up against any Juggernaut franchises like Pokemon. Just MOTHER F***ING ZELDA!! Had anyone even heard of that game before? Pretty sure there was zero hype for it. Right? RIGHT?!? One game compared to many like Halo, Madden, FIFA, Call of Duty, Pokemon, GTA5, and AC. My point remains the same. DAI faced against more. DAI didn't face more in the same genre. HZD and Zelda are both open world RPG's, like MEA. Also, if you want to say COD competed with DAI, you have to take into account Tom Clancy's Ghost Recon: Wildlands, another open world game. Those games have some chops, especially with the major hype train for HZD. If you are saying that Madden and FIFA competed for players against DAI, well... That just seems like an odd assertion. Sure there's some overlap of players, but they don't compete against each other enough to really matter. If they thought that EA wouldn't have launched them all at the same time (except their stupidity with Titanfall 2 and Battlefield 1). MEA faced more competition from games that would draw the same player base. That's just true.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 22, 2017 3:11:41 GMT
Um, Mass Effect 3, was and probably still is, the best selling Mass Effect game.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 22, 2017 3:22:53 GMT
Um, Mass Effect 3, was and probably still is, the best selling Mass Effect game. And?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 22, 2017 3:24:16 GMT
And it's also better, so there's that.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 22, 2017 3:25:44 GMT
And it's also better, so there's that. K. Are you just making random statements, or does this have something to do with the discussion at hand? JW, because if it's the random thing, I'd like to get in on that. "Hamburgers are just ground beef sandwiches."
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 22, 2017 3:28:52 GMT
I'm on topic, though. I don't know why you felt the need to reply to it.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 22, 2017 3:31:38 GMT
I'm on topic, though. I don't know why you felt the need to reply to it. Well I was just wondering why you said it. This is a forum, after all. Back and forth discussion, learning new things. I wanted to see where your statement would lead. What new points or information it would supply. That's all. Can't believe you didn't mention my hamburger thing.
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Post by Sarayne on Jul 22, 2017 3:40:42 GMT
And it's also better, so there's that. K. Are you just making random statements, or does this have something to do with the discussion at hand? JW, because if it's the random thing, I'd like to get in on that. "Hamburgers are just ground beef sandwiches."I don't know why but that random fact made me laugh so hard
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 22, 2017 3:55:27 GMT
And it's also better, so there's that.
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Post by Qolx on Jul 22, 2017 3:59:18 GMT
I read about 3.5 pages and I still have no idea what this particular post is about.
Suikoden claims ME:A sold less than its competitors. The claim seems accurate but there isn't a larger point being made. Maybe (s)he is trying to link ME:A's quality to its sale numbers? No idea because the rest of the users are more concerned about feeling slighted by Suikoden and attacking him.
No one bothered to ask why this data matters at this time; what's Suikoden's thesis here? Well, perhaps someone did on page 4 but there's no indication of that in the posts above. At least this whole thing is half funny.
Carry on.
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Post by sageoflife on Jul 22, 2017 4:01:31 GMT
Lot's of speculation for everyone.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 22, 2017 4:05:06 GMT
I read about 3.5 pages and I still have no idea what this particular post is about. Suikoden claims ME:A sold less than its competitors. The claim seems accurate but there isn't a larger point being made. Maybe (s)he is trying to link ME:A's quality to its sale numbers? No idea because the rest of the users are more concerned about feeling slighted by Suikoden and attacking him. No one bothered to ask why this data matters at this time; what's Suikoden's thesis here? Well, perhaps someone did on page 4 but there's no indication of that in the posts above. At least this whole thing is half funny. Carry on. What are you talking about? Page 2 I said "Here's a question. Does it matter? These aren't sale numbers. They are only who is selling better than who in any given week. It's really rather meaningless in the scheme of things, unless you know sale numbers and that's what you are going for. Since we don't really know sale numbers, especially not week to week, this is all only important if you care on a certain week who outsold who."
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 22, 2017 4:07:02 GMT
I read about 3.5 pages and I still have no idea what this particular post is about. Suikoden claims ME:A sold less than its competitors. The claim seems accurate but there isn't a larger point being made. Maybe (s)he is trying to link ME:A's quality to its sale numbers? No idea because the rest of the users are more concerned about feeling slighted by Suikoden and attacking him. No one bothered to ask why this data matters at this time; what's Suikoden's thesis here? Well, perhaps someone did on page 4 but there's no indication of that in the posts above. At least this whole thing is half funny. Carry on.
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Post by Qolx on Jul 22, 2017 4:10:03 GMT
maximusarael020 Yes, I see that now. My mistake. I usually scroll past your comments but I'll try to stop and read them once in a while. Thanks for the correction.
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