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maximusarael020 Yes, I see that now. My mistake. I usually scroll past your comments but I'll try to stop and read them once in a while. Thanks for the correction.  Ouch. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 4:39:02 GMT
Source on ME:A selling better than HZD? Also, don't you later say these numbers aren't relevant? Which is it? If you take a look at the "numbers" suikoden is so proudly presenting, you see that HZD is on the 4th place in March, while ME:A is on the 3th place, the same goes for April ME:A outsells HZD. Only in May ME:A falls back. Not bad for a game that is stamped on and ridiculed, compared to a game that is praised into heaven, don't you think? And yes - I only named those numbers to show that, even if you take that kind of numbers seriously (like suikoden seems to do), ME:A did not bad at all if you take the circumstances into account. That is not to say that I personally take those numbers serious, because of the reasons I explained later on. I hope this makes it clear? How can you be proud of ME:A by saying that it did well against a game (HZD) that came out a month earlier meaning that most of its sales where in February and was only available for the ps4? ME:A should have crushed it with it being available on all 3 major platforms. |
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Post by cypherj on Jul 22, 2017 4:51:41 GMT
EA went all out with DAI in their first earnings call after launch by saying this: "Dragon Age: Inquisition captivated fans and critics worldwide as it launched in November, and it quickly became the most successful launch in BioWare history. More than 113 million hours have already been spent exploring the depth and detail of the single-player experience in Dragon Age: Inquisition, and more players are joining each day. Named “Game of the Year” by 32 media outlets around the world, including IGN, Game Informer and the Associated Press, Dragon Age: Inquisition is a true masterpiece from the team at BioWare and a game that is sure to be played for a long time to come." Why didn't EA go all out with MEA in the same way? I mean EA really baked the pie, then put some whipped cream and a cherry on top for DAI but did nothing of sorts for MEA....and MEA was the ONLY AAA game released that quarter. I wonder why... The real question is, how did EA describe ME3 during that earnings call? That's a much better comparison. ME3 sold very well, had many DLC's, and was a critical and financial success, however it was surrounded by controversy (muh endings). Here's the earnings call transcript for 2012. www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/article/567641-electronic-arts-ceo-discusses-q4-2012-results-earnings-call-transcriptWhile in general vaguely more positive about ME3 than the MEA report, it still almost never talks about ME3 alone, instead grouping it in with the other games released that quarter. The only individual mentions were ME3 merchandise and the addition of ME3MP, which makes sense to mention as it was new. See many similarities between how they are presented? Nothing like DAI, which makes sense as that won GOTY and had the Bioware sales record. ME3 was still successful, got DLC, and a continuation of the franchise. When something is selling well, EA's has never had a problem talking about it, was true for ME:3 and DA:I. www.engadget.com/2012/03/09/mass-effect-ships-3-5-million-worldwide-890-000-sold-in-na-swt/EA boss John Riccitello has stated that customers bought 890,000 copies in North America alone on launch day earlier this week, reports VentureBeat. The executive's comments were made during the Wedbush Technology, Media and Telecommunications Conference, where he noted that Mass Effect 3 is meeting EA's expectations and that the company is "happy" about the results so far.
Riccitiello also mentioned sales of Mass Effect 3 downloadable content, which are already doing quite well. 40 percent of customers who purchased Mass Effect 3 from a local GameStop also purchased DLC, the highest tie ratio for downloadable content the retailer has ever seen.They've been tight-lipped about Andromeda though. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 22, 2017 4:55:51 GMT
I read about 3.5 pages and I still have no idea what this particular post is about. Suikoden claims ME:A sold less than its competitors. The claim seems accurate but there isn't a larger point being made. Maybe (s)he is trying to link ME:A's quality to its sale numbers? No idea because the rest of the users are more concerned about feeling slighted by Suikoden and attacking him. No one bothered to ask why this data matters at this time; what's Suikoden's thesis here? Well, perhaps someone did on page 4 but there's no indication of that in the posts above. At least this whole thing is half funny. Carry on. What are you talking about? Page 2 I said "Here's a question. Does it matter? These aren't sale numbers. They are only who is selling better than who in any given week. It's really rather meaningless in the scheme of things, unless you know sale numbers and that's what you are going for. Since we don't really know sale numbers, especially not week to week, this is all only important if you care on a certain week who outsold who." It's monthly data - not sure why you keep saying "any given week." These are the results in the US for how much each game sold per month in relation to each other. One of the only concrete numbers we have - is that Horizon sold 3.4m by April 30th after selling 2.6m in its first two weeks. It's ranking on the NPD charts has been consistent through June - if we correlate this data, Horizon should have sold ~ 4.3m by the end of June. Horizon is two spots higher than Andromeda for yearly sales to date, so Andromeda has sold less than 4.3m. 3.5m sounds reasonable as Andromeda's sales have continued to fall. If this is the case, it would be considered a disappointment by EA, who were expecting 3m after 1 week (and seeing as they've said that their franchises should at minimum surpass 5m sales). If Andromeda's downward sales trajectory continues, it will probably top out at ~ 4m sales. |
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Post by Qolx on Jul 22, 2017 5:08:49 GMT
suikoden That's a reasonable estimate. Is this data supporting a narrative or is this thread limited to sales numbers? Give me the context, please. Thank you.
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 22, 2017 5:11:25 GMT
The real question is, how did EA describe ME3 during that earnings call? That's a much better comparison. ME3 sold very well, had many DLC's, and was a critical and financial success, however it was surrounded by controversy (muh endings). Here's the earnings call transcript for 2012. www.google.com/amp/s/seekingalpha.com/amp/article/567641-electronic-arts-ceo-discusses-q4-2012-results-earnings-call-transcriptWhile in general vaguely more positive about ME3 than the MEA report, it still almost never talks about ME3 alone, instead grouping it in with the other games released that quarter. The only individual mentions were ME3 merchandise and the addition of ME3MP, which makes sense to mention as it was new. See many similarities between how they are presented? Nothing like DAI, which makes sense as that won GOTY and had the Bioware sales record. ME3 was still successful, got DLC, and a continuation of the franchise. When something is selling well, EA's has never had a problem talking about it, was true for ME:3 and DA:I. www.engadget.com/2012/03/09/mass-effect-ships-3-5-million-worldwide-890-000-sold-in-na-swt/EA boss John Riccitello has stated that customers bought 890,000 copies in North America alone on launch day earlier this week, reports VentureBeat. The executive's comments were made during the Wedbush Technology, Media and Telecommunications Conference, where he noted that Mass Effect 3 is meeting EA's expectations and that the company is "happy" about the results so far.
Riccitiello also mentioned sales of Mass Effect 3 downloadable content, which are already doing quite well. 40 percent of customers who purchased Mass Effect 3 from a local GameStop also purchased DLC, the highest tie ratio for downloadable content the retailer has ever seen.They've been tight-lipped about Andromeda though. Let's see... no accurate sales figures here... just the same boring speculation that been spammed on a regular basis since the game came out. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 22, 2017 5:12:05 GMT
What are you talking about? Page 2 I said "Here's a question. Does it matter? These aren't sale numbers. They are only who is selling better than who in any given week. It's really rather meaningless in the scheme of things, unless you know sale numbers and that's what you are going for. Since we don't really know sale numbers, especially not week to week, this is all only important if you care on a certain week who outsold who." It's monthly data - not sure why you keep saying "any given week." These are the results in the US for how much each game sold per month in relation to each other. One of the only concrete numbers we have - is that Horizon sold 3.4m by April 30th after selling 2.6m in its first two weeks. It's ranking on the NPD charts has been consistent through June - if we correlate this data, Horizon should have sold ~ 4.3m by the end of June. Horizon is two spots higher than Andromeda for yearly sales to date, so Andromeda has sold less than 4.3m. 3.5m sounds reasonable as Andromeda's sales have continued to fall. If this is the case, it would be considered a disappointment by EA, who were expecting 3m after 1 week (and seeing as they've said that their franchises should at minimum surpass 5m sales). If Andromeda's downward sales trajectory continues, it will probably top out at ~ 4m sales. And... no accurate sales figures here... just the same boring speculation that been spammed on a regular basis since the game came out. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 22, 2017 5:18:08 GMT
It's monthly data - not sure why you keep saying "any given week." These are the results in the US for how much each game sold per month in relation to each other. One of the only concrete numbers we have - is that Horizon sold 3.4m by April 30th after selling 2.6m in its first two weeks. It's ranking on the NPD charts has been consistent through June - if we correlate this data, Horizon should have sold ~ 4.3m by the end of June. Horizon is two spots higher than Andromeda for yearly sales to date, so Andromeda has sold less than 4.3m. 3.5m sounds reasonable as Andromeda's sales have continued to fall. If this is the case, it would be considered a disappointment by EA, who were expecting 3m after 1 week (and seeing as they've said that their franchises should at minimum surpass 5m sales). If Andromeda's downward sales trajectory continues, it will probably top out at ~ 4m sales. And... no accurate sales figures here... just the same boring speculation that been spammed on a regular basis since the game came out. And... we know how much Horizon has sold. We know Andromeda has sold less. And... we have a ballpark that makes sense by correlating those numbers. Seeing as EA NEVER releases sales numbers, even for a game like Inquisition that set sales records, this is all we can do. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 22, 2017 5:19:24 GMT
And... no accurate sales figures here... just the same boring speculation that been spammed on a regular basis since the game came out. And... we know how much Horizon has sold. We know Andromeda has sold less. And... we have a ballpark that makes sense by correlating those numbers. Seeing as EA NEVER releases sales numbers, even for a game like Inquisition that set sales records, this is all we can do. Right, you can't do anything, since EA never releases their sales number. Like I said, you have nothing to report, nothing of substance. You're just spamming the same useless speculation over and over again. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 5:25:33 GMT
And... we know how much Horizon has sold. We know Andromeda has sold less. And... we have a ballpark that makes sense by correlating those numbers. Seeing as EA NEVER releases sales numbers, even for a game like Inquisition that set sales records, this is all we can do. Right, you can't do anything, since EA never releases their sales number. Like I said, you have nothing to report, nothing of substance. You're just spamming the same useless speculation over and over again. EA may not but Bioware has in the past. They had no problem talking about ME3 selling 3.5mil. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 22, 2017 5:26:55 GMT
Right, you can't do anything, since EA never releases their sales number. Like I said, you have nothing to report, nothing of substance. You're just spamming the same useless speculation over and over again. EA may not but Bioware has in the past. They had no problem talking about ME3 selling 3.5mil. And? |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 22, 2017 5:28:06 GMT
And... we know how much Horizon has sold. We know Andromeda has sold less. And... we have a ballpark that makes sense by correlating those numbers. Seeing as EA NEVER releases sales numbers, even for a game like Inquisition that set sales records, this is all we can do. Right, you can't do anything, since EA never releases their sales number. Like I said, you have nothing to report, nothing of substance. You're just spamming the same useless speculation over and over again. Except I'm not pulling random numbers out of a hat. We know exactly how much Horizon sold through April 30th. We know Horizon's sales trajectory through June. We know Andromeda has sold less than Horizon. We can make a fairly accurate educated guess about how many copies Horizon has sold. We know Andromeda has sold less than this number. Do you need an exact number if you know that Andromeda has clearly, at the very least, NOT reached 5m in sales, and has likely not even reached 4m? |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 22, 2017 5:29:54 GMT
Right, you can't do anything, since EA never releases their sales number. Like I said, you have nothing to report, nothing of substance. You're just spamming the same useless speculation over and over again. Except I'm not pulling random numbers out of a hat. We know exactly how much Horizon sold through April 30th. We know Horizon's sales trajectory through June. We know Andromeda has sold less than Horizon. We can make a fairly accurate educated guess about how many copies Horizon has sold. We know Andromeda has sold less than this number. Do you need an exact number if you know that Andromeda has clearly, at the very least, NOT reached 5m in sales, and has likely not even reached 4m? You have no numbers that include digital sales of any substance, period. You don't know how many copies of Andromeda have been sold, and you never will. Again, you're just speculating, and it's the same old speculation that you've spammed before. Boring, and useless. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 22, 2017 5:36:54 GMT
Except I'm not pulling random numbers out of a hat. We know exactly how much Horizon sold through April 30th. We know Horizon's sales trajectory through June. We know Andromeda has sold less than Horizon. We can make a fairly accurate educated guess about how many copies Horizon has sold. We know Andromeda has sold less than this number. Do you need an exact number if you know that Andromeda has clearly, at the very least, NOT reached 5m in sales, and has likely not even reached 4m? You have no numbers that include digital sales of any substance, period. You don't know how many copies of Andromeda have been sold, and you never will. Again, you're just speculating, and it's the same old speculation that you've spammed before. Boring, and useless. NPD includes console DLC numbers. All we don't know are Origin numbers. I could apply your entire thought process to DLC - "but we have zero evidence of there being any DLC - these DLC threads are just speculation, boring and useless!" Except I don't do that - as I try and back up my posts with evidence, rather than merely hand-wave others' posts away. That would be a pretty boring and useless forum. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 22, 2017 5:47:17 GMT
You have no numbers that include digital sales of any substance, period. You don't know how many copies of Andromeda have been sold, and you never will. Again, you're just speculating, and it's the same old speculation that you've spammed before. Boring, and useless. NPD includes console DLC numbers. All we don't know are Origin numbers. I could apply your entire thought process to DLC - "but we have zero evidence of there being any DLC - these DLC threads are just speculation, boring and useless!" Except I don't do that - as I try and back up my posts with evidence, rather than merely hand-wave others' posts away. That would be a pretty boring and useless forum. You're never going to know how well the game has sold, that's the fact. You've put the topic up for public scrutiny, repeatedly. I'm part of the public, and this is my reaction. Your speculation amounts to a whole boring pile of nothing. Until you actually get a hold of some real sales numbers, this whole discussion has lost my interest. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 22, 2017 6:00:40 GMT
NPD includes console DLC numbers. All we don't know are Origin numbers. I could apply your entire thought process to DLC - "but we have zero evidence of there being any DLC - these DLC threads are just speculation, boring and useless!" Except I don't do that - as I try and back up my posts with evidence, rather than merely hand-wave others' posts away. That would be a pretty boring and useless forum. You're never going to know how well the game has sold, that's the fact. You've put the topic up for public scrutiny, repeatedly. I'm part of the public, and this is my reaction. Your speculation amounts to a whole boring pile of nothing. Until you actually get a hold of some real sales numbers, this whole discussion has lost my interest. If speculation is pointless in your eyes you could probably delete a couple thousand of your posts. It's a forum - people speculate - and based on the immediate feedback that threads like this get, it's clearly not boring to most people. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 22, 2017 6:02:22 GMT
You're never going to know how well the game has sold, that's the fact. You've put the topic up for public scrutiny, repeatedly. I'm part of the public, and this is my reaction. Your speculation amounts to a whole boring pile of nothing. Until you actually get a hold of some real sales numbers, this whole discussion has lost my interest. If speculation is pointless in your eyes you could probably delete a couple thousand of your posts. It's a forum - people speculate - and based on the immediate feedback that threads like this get, it's clearly not boring to most people. Your speculation on this topic is boring. |
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Post by smilesja on Jul 22, 2017 6:08:57 GMT
If speculation is pointless in your eyes you could probably delete a couple thousand of your posts. It's a forum - people speculate - and based on the immediate feedback that threads like this get, it's clearly not boring to most people. Your speculation on this topic is boring. To be honest there are other reasons why there's feedback to threads like this. |
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Post by suikoden on Jul 22, 2017 6:09:36 GMT
If speculation is pointless in your eyes you could probably delete a couple thousand of your posts. It's a forum - people speculate - and based on the immediate feedback that threads like this get, it's clearly not boring to most people. Your speculation on this topic is boring. To you. And it's within your power to resist posting in this thread! |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 22, 2017 6:16:40 GMT
Your speculation on this topic is boring. To you. And it's within your power to resist posting in this thread! Yes, to me. I don't remember claiming that anyone else shared my opinion or that anyone made me post in this thread.  I'll say it again, since you keep wanting to change the subject... you will never have the sales figures for the game. You only have speculation... and that's all you will ever have barring EA changing their policy and releasing sales numbers. You'll never be able to "prove" that Andromeda sold better or worse than what EA was expecting, they'll never tell you. Your speculative attempts at denigrating Andromeda's sales numbers are boring, stale speculation. |
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Post by Fredward on Jul 22, 2017 6:17:52 GMT
I've more or less made peace with the idea we wouldn't get any DLC since that whiff of a rumor waaay back when from Reddit or wherever it was. Mildly disappointed but not hugely busted up about it since MEA was a mediocre game.
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Post by Estaq99 on Jul 22, 2017 6:46:24 GMT
Suikoden, can ask you some questions? What do you do for fun? Surely, it can't be spending all or a lot of your time on a board for a game you supposedly hate. Because if it is, I kind of feel sorry for you. Where do you live? Maybe you live in a one stoplight cow town or something and you got bored of cow tipping. I mean, surely if you lived somewhere semi-interesting you'd be able to find something more meaningful to do with your timeSure, like reading the comments you post as opposed to him posting about his own view of MEA? Because posting a different opinion about MEA than his, makes everyone realized how a much more interesting life than his you must have? I kind of feel sorry for your lack of logic. |
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by warrior on Jul 22, 2017 7:13:31 GMT
 how I imagine you researching MEA stuff all day are you this cute irl? |
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March 2017
suikoden
Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Baldur's Gate
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Post by suikoden on Jul 22, 2017 7:24:23 GMT
To you. And it's within your power to resist posting in this thread! Yes, to me. I don't remember claiming that anyone else shared my opinion or that anyone made me post in this thread. I'll say it again, since you keep wanting to change the subject... you will never have the sales figures for the game. You only have speculation... and that's all you will ever have barring EA changing their policy and releasing sales numbers. You'll never be able to "prove" that Andromeda sold better or worse than what EA was expecting, they'll never tell you. Your speculative attempts at denigrating Andromeda's sales numbers are boring, stale speculation. And I completely disagree with you - so we'll have to leave it at that. |
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Ouch.
