[Videos] Billy Buskell denying issues about off-host headshots

Thats very tempting! But it doesn't make the game more fun.

I personally lack the experience to know one way or the other. For the most part, I don't see the issues that other people do, but a lot of that can be accounted for by my general lack of accuracy.

I tend to have about 50-60% accuracy, which is way outside of any range of being able to reliably know whether my headshots are registering. I always play off-host, as well, so I don't have any basis for comparison.

Part of me wants to host for a while just to see if my experience changes, but about 3 times a day my internet will hitch for a minute, and I'm paranoid about it happening to people playing on my host (even though I'm fine 95% of the time when playing off-host.)

The way to tell if you are hitting headshots reliably is not by feel but by video-recording and then watching it. Tedious, yes, but accurate.

Someone pointed out (in another thread?) that a very easy test is to use the Shadow, ideally on one of those Apex missions with Go For The Eyes. Play the mission twice, once solo as host (you can Bronze it up, this is a test) and once in a group off-host. Record several minutes of gameplay, or the whole match. Aim for heads, obviously. The reason to use the Shadow is that you can aim the beam where a head is going to be (ex: Raider, Wraith, Adhi running straight towards you while you're behind cover or on a roof). On host, *chunk*, pop, headshot. Off-host... YMMV.

Of course you can test with any weapon, this is just a particular combination that makes the test easy and the results super obvious.

FWIW, IME I feel like I sometimes land shots that aren't registered.

I sometimes notice a difference when I host, and the degree of difference varies.  I've certainly never seen ghost enemies, rubber banding, or any of the other shenanigans I sometimes see off-host.


Also - kett Chosen. The head pop is hard to miss.

I think it's good advice to record and watch your own play - I'm sure it will reveal some things that would help me become a better player.

You guys are ruthless..

You know the one I mean. 3 second Platinums.

This is sad. He made it pretty clear how he felt about the issue on the live stream.

What did he expect? His tone was disrespectful to the community and their concerns. We dismiss anything we hear with the word netcode in it lol u mad? Couldn't have been more condescending if he tried.

wow, quoting me out of context and shoving your bogus narrative? *deletes account*

Being the only noninfiltrator in a plat match is not particularly fun.

As for the rest, 'netcode' of course gets the rolly eyes, and if you were to opine something like ", y'all netcodes is all kinds of broke", openly in the cubicles, you would be rightly pelted with all manner of cartoon memorabilia and nerf objects and probably a shoe or three.

That said everyone knows what someone who says this means, and the engine has had notorious problems with both packet registration and location detection across peers. These are givens. For Buskell to not only hand wave dismiss issues but then throw two other aspersions and some shade to boot is frankly symptomatic of BW's insulation. Not a good thing.

This isn't as bad as the dark days of DAIMP, but I would offer the advice for both sides to take a step back and truly think about the issues at hand and the real impact they are having on your quality of life. From a player side, it is definitely frustrating to have bugs take a toll on your gaming experience and expressing that frustration is justifiable to a degree. That being said, a hard freeze or loss of credits in a video game isn't going to truly ruin your life.

Much in the same way, I would advise the devs to be more willing to open discussion with the player base and more willing to accept criticism than they seem to be at this point. Part of work when dealing with the general public is having thick skin because a lot of people are assholes. That being said, a line should be in place when it steps from criticism to character assassination and hatred. The devs also need to take a step back and view things from the standpoint of the customer and ask how they would want to be treated in the same situation. I would doubt that a lack of communication would be their answer as that is how it feels to a degree now.

So I've been combing through a lot of topics here on BSN and reddit, and something that I hardly ever see mentioned is Aim Assist. Let me be up front first and say that I only have a tertiary viewpoint of this. I haven't really noticed enough to really say whether I've been impacted heavily by headshot detection issues. Back on subject: I know a few users have brought it [Aim Assist] up and have said that they still have issues off host, but I still think there some questions surrounding it that might be worth asking (or at least worth postulating). For example:

1) Off-host, what is the correlation between people getting headshots w/ and w/o aim assist active?
2) Will one person having aim assist off affect the match settings for other players? I know it sounds silly, but not too long ago the match conditions for enemies was dictated by the hosts singleplayer difficulty settings.
3) Is there some inherent defect with aim assist that is still active; even when it is turned off?

I'm just putting it out there, since even when Billy was discussing it, nothing about it was mentioned. The issue may not be related to someones connection, but the way in which aiming is handled in general; or certain elements around it.

This is the price we have to pay for being able to vanguard off host.
Imagine if guardians were in this game lol