[Videos] Billy Buskell denying issues about off-host headshots

that would be a dirty fix with severe side effects for inaccurate spray and pray weapons (high rof autos and pellet shotguns) .
the proper solution exists somewhere since I don't ever remember anybody complain about this in ME3MP ..

true, but at this point the best you're gonna get is a dirty fix. to go back to what Billy says about "netcode" not being a thing, well this entire off-host headshots stuff is due to bugs in hitboxes not being synchronized properly (or lagging behind, i've seen repeatedly in the past 3 months people write stuff like "aim for the left ear" or "aim for the neck" as an "offset" to where the head should actually be placed at.)
so yeah of course there is a solution but it starts with them acknowledging that the issue is real (like they should've for the past 4 months), acknowledging that they can reproduce it (because saying "we've never encountered it and we can't reproduce it" to me would mean the entire MP team hasn't playtested their own game for shit), then actually looking into a way to fix it. but I figure the MP team is nothing more than 1 or 2 people so let's be real - it won't ever get fixed.

without having a clue about what I'm talking about - "enable guests authority to resolve hit-checks locally" .. but that would probably open it to all sorts of aim bot exploits so perhaps it is better this way ..

Careful there, Wavebend. During the stream Billy dismissed people ranting about how the new weapon variants were added as a money grab as "conspiracy theories". So here you discussing that offhost headshot issues are a thing and soon you may be labeled as Supreme Commander of the conspiracy theorists or something.

Also I guess I didn't hear the part about him talking about the "netcode" when watching the stream initially. I don't like that he's so nitpicky on that. He's technically right, netcode isn't a real thing as far as terminology goes but that's because not every gamer is a computer scientist so it emerged as sort of a blanket statement to describe everyone's issues how a game is able to handle lag (which always exists and the *good* games are able to mask it fairly well so that it's not that annoying to players). He knows what people are talking about and what they mean when they say "netcode" very well, he's just being contrary for the sake of being contrary.

More and more, I feel like Billy has become the Mouth of Sauron, with his EA overlords forcing him to spew this stuff.

Of course EA are less an "all seeing eye" and more an "unseeing cataract", and I meant no offence to Sauron by the comparison.

Speechless, really.

answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Multiplayer-headshots-don-t-register-if-you-aren-t-host/td-p/5972449

EA community manager experienced the issue himself.

Add your own details to the bug thread and maybe it'll get elevated.



As for Billy, he's a producer. They have their hands in a little bit of everything, but aren't the best sources of details. They've said before that have QA (still) so I'm not worried that Billy's results are the end-all of an issue. I have been concerned about how they do latency testing, though, since long before this. Sounds like they're almost strictly in-house and not real-world.

Maybe he was speaking the ultimate truth: now a Biower dev has explicitly admitted there is no netcode in this game, that explains all.

We're literally playing an online game that doesn't even have netcode, so you know where all these problems come from.

As a dev myself, I'm not enclined to shit on devs, but this video makes him look like an asshole. When I make mistakes, I admit it and don't try to shit on users because they're not using the right terms.

My own gameplay: xboxclips.com/JRandall0308/cbf334aa-6692-4308-bf43-0a4796d787cf
0:30 freeze a Kett Chosen, no credits for what appears to be headshots
0:38 but this counts a headshot: aiming at his arm
0:39 headshot kill (note reticle) but no Concussive weapon detonation
1:19 head exploded but no reticle color nor Concussive detonation
2:17 headshot kill on Wraith (note reticle and points) but no Concussive weapon detonation
2:27 headshot kill on Destined (note reticle and points) but no Concussive weapon detonation

Lenny Busker's gameplay:
0:38 headshot registers (yes)
1:05 headshot does NOT register (no)
1:26 yes
1:30 yes
1:38 no
1:46 yes
1:50 unclear
1:55 yes
2:08 yes
2:12 unclear (Wraith) - can't see points
3:02 yes
3:06 yes
3:42 yes? (can't see points)
4:13 yes
4:38 yes
4:58 - 5:01 go frame by frame: trigger is pulled when reticle is NOT on Sharpshooter's head, but Lenny gets credit for headshot anyway
5:14 yes (Berserker)
5:18 no (same Berskerer)

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My Internet is as fast as I can get in my locality. If Bioware would like to say that people in your average Midwest American city don't have good enough Internet then I literally don't know what to say.

I can't speak for Lenny's internet but I am going to go out on a limb and guess he is not using his cellphone as a hotspot.

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Please, please do 'Me Too' and 'Grant XP' the bug report on EA Answers HQ. That link again:
answers.ea.com/t5/Bug-Reports/Multiplayer-headshots-don-t-register-if-you-aren-t-host/td-p/5972449

He's partly right. MEAMP has no netcode. Other games (BF1 is a good example because Frostbite) have excellent netcode. I don't know what they did different, besides servers, but it works. Hang on... Could it be the SERVERS?!
Got one idea to fix it though; instead of having the client check with host if events really played out like the client did and then send back to client what went down according to host, make the clientside events update the host's data. That way it doesn't matter if the client's data is out of sync; if the player hits headshots on where he sees the target, the host gets an update that that enemy got hit in the face.

But I have no idea if peer to peer can be set up like that.