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Post by Sanunes on Jul 21, 2017 19:04:59 GMT
Regarding DLC, one thing I don't get is why people assume if we don't get any this year, we'll never get any at all? BW went through a lot of complications this year, not just exclusive to MEA, so basing a DLC timeline on past games where they were on a proper schedule is only setting people up to be disappointed. DLC is gong to happen, but chances are it'll be next year. Anthem's team is not 100% MEA's team either, so that is no excuse and Anthem has been delayed until the Fall next year, so MEA DLC in the Spring would not hurt it. I would honestly rather wait until 2018 to get a decent DLC without tons of bugs and issues, then something rushed just to please people who were mostly spurred into action over an article with no credence whatsoever. The thing about additional content for a game is there is only a certain window where it stays profitable, its why DLC has become more popular with developers and publishers over expansion packs. Generally the optimum window length is 12 months, but the longer they wait to release DLC the lower the pool of players that will buy it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 19:06:13 GMT
Regarding DLC, one thing I don't get is why people assume if we don't get any this year, we'll never get any at all? BW went through a lot of complications this year, not just exclusive to MEA, so basing a DLC timeline on past games where they were on a proper schedule is only setting people up to be disappointed. DLC is gong to happen, but chances are it'll be next year. Anthem's team is not 100% MEA's team either, so that is no excuse and Anthem has been delayed until the Fall next year, so MEA DLC in the Spring would not hurt it. I would honestly rather wait until 2018 to get a decent DLC without tons of bugs and issues, then something rushed just to please people who were mostly spurred into action over an article with no credence whatsoever. The thing about additional content for a game is there is only a certain window where it stays profitable, its why DLC has become more popular with developers and publishers over expansion packs. Generally the optimum window length is 12 months, but the longer they wait to release DLC the lower the pool of players that will buy it. That still takes us into the Spring, and they just basically relaunched the game after patch 1.09, so I don't see a problem.
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Post by phoenix64 on Jul 21, 2017 19:29:40 GMT
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 21, 2017 19:37:10 GMT
Suikoden, please... play the game. Find the areas you disliked and write about them. That's helpful. Kicking BioWare is also fine by me... once you made your point. Your point is made. To the point now, that I want to literally headbutt you. You're funny. You are funny, but stop being mean. You can be real funny and provide great sources of entertainment. It's four months... and you're still at it. That's not commendable. Do better. Please. That's the thing - this is me doing the best I can. There is so much disinformation out there regarding Andromeda from my perspective. So much SJW garbage, so much misinformation regarding sales, its reception - everything. This is a vacuum of positivity for Andromeda on the internet - the hardcore of the hardcore, and information related on this site will spread. I'm merely trying to make sure that what's spread is accurate. You might not agree with me on what I consider accurate - and frankly I don't care - I just want to get the information out there that people can interpret how they will. More than anything, what drives me the most, is how many people are "settling" for the mediocrity that is Andromeda. Even praising it for it's faults - shunning all critical thinking And attempts at dialogue. Constructive criticism veiled in "Andromeda is teh best thing ever" isn't doing the devs any favours. I want them to hear loud and clear that they fucked up and that this lack of quality is not acceptable.It's not like you ever misrepresented the sales figures, or the reception of this game, right? Like, neveeerrr everrrr. And maybe you should look around on the internet if you think this place is a vaccuum of positivity about ME:A. Because I see people begging for DLC on Twitter, largely positive topics on Reddit and so on. But you never misrepresent anything, right? Neverr, everrr.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Jul 21, 2017 19:41:10 GMT
That's the thing - this is me doing the best I can. There is so much disinformation out there regarding Andromeda from my perspective. So much SJW garbage, so much misinformation regarding sales, its reception - everything. This is a vacuum of positivity for Andromeda on the internet - the hardcore of the hardcore, and information related on this site will spread. I'm merely trying to make sure that what's spread is accurate. You might not agree with me on what I consider accurate - and frankly I don't care - I just want to get the information out there that people can interpret how they will. More than anything, what drives me the most, is how many people are "settling" for the mediocrity that is Andromeda. Even praising it for it's faults - shunning all critical thinking And attempts at dialogue. Constructive criticism veiled in "Andromeda is teh best thing ever" isn't doing the devs any favours. I want them to hear loud and clear that they fucked up and that this lack of quality is not acceptable.It's not like you ever misrepresented the sales figures, or the reception of this game, right? Like, neveeerrr everrrr. And maybe you should look around on the internet if you think this place is a vaccuum of positivity about ME:A. Because I see people begging for DLC on Twitter, largely positive topics on Reddit and so on. But you never misrepresent anything, right? Neverr, everrr. Lol didn't this forum say reddit was just a hive of negativity? Man, the mental gymnastics some people go through
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 21, 2017 19:44:41 GMT
It's not like you ever misrepresented the sales figures, or the reception of this game, right? Like, neveeerrr everrrr. And maybe you should look around on the internet if you think this place is a vaccuum of positivity about ME:A. Because I see people begging for DLC on Twitter, largely positive topics on Reddit and so on. But you never misrepresent anything, right? Neverr, everrr. Lol didn't this forum say reddit was just a hive of negativity? Man, the mental gymnastics some people go through This forum has a voice now?
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 21, 2017 19:45:12 GMT
It's not like you ever misrepresented the sales figures, or the reception of this game, right? Like, neveeerrr everrrr. And maybe you should look around on the internet if you think this place is a vaccuum of positivity about ME:A. Because I see people begging for DLC on Twitter, largely positive topics on Reddit and so on. But you never misrepresent anything, right? Neverr, everrr. Lol didn't this forum say reddit was just a hive of negativity? Man, the mental gymnastics some people go through The... forum says things to you?
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Post by suikoden on Jul 21, 2017 19:45:47 GMT
That's the thing - this is me doing the best I can. There is so much disinformation out there regarding Andromeda from my perspective. So much SJW garbage, so much misinformation regarding sales, its reception - everything. This is a vacuum of positivity for Andromeda on the internet - the hardcore of the hardcore, and information related on this site will spread. I'm merely trying to make sure that what's spread is accurate. You might not agree with me on what I consider accurate - and frankly I don't care - I just want to get the information out there that people can interpret how they will. More than anything, what drives me the most, is how many people are "settling" for the mediocrity that is Andromeda. Even praising it for it's faults - shunning all critical thinking And attempts at dialogue. Constructive criticism veiled in "Andromeda is teh best thing ever" isn't doing the devs any favours. I want them to hear loud and clear that they fucked up and that this lack of quality is not acceptable.It's not like you ever misrepresented the sales figures, or the reception of this game, right? Like, neveeerrr everrrr. And maybe you should look around on the internet if you think this place is a vaccuum of positivity about ME:A. Because I see people begging for DLC on Twitter, largely positive topics on Reddit and so on. But you never misrepresent anything, right? Neverr, everrr. You see things through your Bioware tinted glasses. I believe in everything I've posted - I think a lot of you do too or you wouldn't attempt to derail every thread I create. If what I'm posting is so ridiculous, I'd think you wouldn't bother to post a response in the first place - the fact that many of you do - is telling. I'm confident enough in my stance to avoid the positive threads because I see them for what they are - the same clearly cannot be said for some of Andromeda's defenders.
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Post by DragonRacer on Jul 21, 2017 20:06:18 GMT
Lol didn't this forum say reddit was just a hive of negativity? Man, the mental gymnastics some people go through This forum has a voice now? We're apparently a homogeneous hive mind or something. Or maybe we're like the Geth? Hell of a time forming consensus on anything, though...
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 21, 2017 20:14:51 GMT
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Post by smilesja on Jul 21, 2017 20:25:13 GMT
It's not like you ever misrepresented the sales figures, or the reception of this game, right? Like, neveeerrr everrrr. And maybe you should look around on the internet if you think this place is a vaccuum of positivity about ME:A. Because I see people begging for DLC on Twitter, largely positive topics on Reddit and so on. But you never misrepresent anything, right? Neverr, everrr. I'm confident enough in my stance to avoid the positive threads because I see them for what they are - the same clearly cannot be said for some of Andromeda's defenders. What do you see them for? Tell us.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 21, 2017 20:33:18 GMT
I'm confident enough in my stance to avoid the positive threads because I see them for what they are - the same clearly cannot be said for some of Andromeda's defenders. What do you see them for? Tell us. Let's just keep this thread on track please and avoid where this is going.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 21, 2017 20:35:13 GMT
What do you see them for? Tell us. Let's just keep this thread on track please and avoid where this is going. Edit: Fine.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 21, 2017 20:41:08 GMT
Regarding DLC, one thing I don't get is why people assume if we don't get any this year, we'll never get any at all? BW went through a lot of complications this year, not just exclusive to MEA, so basing a DLC timeline on past games where they were on a proper schedule is only setting people up to be disappointed. DLC is gong to happen, but chances are it'll be next year. Anthem's team is not 100% MEA's team either, so that is no excuse and Anthem has been delayed until the Fall next year, so MEA DLC in the Spring would not hurt it. I would honestly rather wait until 2018 to get a decent DLC without tons of bugs and issues, then something rushed just to please people who were mostly spurred into action over an article with no credence whatsoever. I think you are stretching it. Nothing wrong being optimistic but waiting til 2018 to release the first SP DLC is something that is not feasible and I cant think of ANY game that waited that long to recieve its first DLC, especially a game with the reputation of MEA. Also I find it funny how people keep moving the goal post. First it was July/August for the 1st DLC, then Sep/Oct, I think a few people here said N7 Day/Holiday 2017, and now 2018? But Hope > Logic If Bioware doesnt mention anything by the end of September then its over folks.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 20:44:14 GMT
Regarding DLC, one thing I don't get is why people assume if we don't get any this year, we'll never get any at all? BW went through a lot of complications this year, not just exclusive to MEA, so basing a DLC timeline on past games where they were on a proper schedule is only setting people up to be disappointed. DLC is gong to happen, but chances are it'll be next year. Anthem's team is not 100% MEA's team either, so that is no excuse and Anthem has been delayed until the Fall next year, so MEA DLC in the Spring would not hurt it. I would honestly rather wait until 2018 to get a decent DLC without tons of bugs and issues, then something rushed just to please people who were mostly spurred into action over an article with no credence whatsoever. I think you are stretching it. Nothing wrong being optimistic but waiting til 2018 to release the first SP DLC is something that is not feasible and I cant think of ANY game that waited that long to recieve its first DLC, especially a game with the reputation of MEA. Also I find it funny how people keep moving the goal post. First it was July/August for the 1st DLC, then Sep/Oct, I think a few people here said N7 Day/Holiday 2017, and now 2018? But Hope > Logic If Bioware doesnt mention anything by the end of September then its over folks. Hun you going around laughing at people in threads that you shouldn't even post since they support DLC and you don't want any is what I call funny, but funny in a sad, I feel sorry for you type of way.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 20:44:55 GMT
"Electronic Arts has some plans for the upcoming Gamescom conference in August. It’s announced a live show on August 21st that starts at 9:30 AM PT/12:30 PM ET/6:30 CEST that will feature some live matches, new gameplay footage and a few surprises." This could be the DLC you've been waiting for - if not, I think that might be it for Andromeda. gamingbolt.com/ea-gamescom-conference-scheduled-for-august-21stMaybe. I think it's interesting that they put 'surprises' in there. I also think the timing would fit for DLC announcement since I predict it will coincide with that Sept date for book release. But I don't know if they ever have announced dlc at conferences. I never really paid attention. I don't really think that would be it for andromeda. I feel like now that Casey is back things will be turning around.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 21, 2017 20:52:00 GMT
Regarding DLC, one thing I don't get is why people assume if we don't get any this year, we'll never get any at all? BW went through a lot of complications this year, not just exclusive to MEA, so basing a DLC timeline on past games where they were on a proper schedule is only setting people up to be disappointed. DLC is gong to happen, but chances are it'll be next year. Anthem's team is not 100% MEA's team either, so that is no excuse and Anthem has been delayed until the Fall next year, so MEA DLC in the Spring would not hurt it. I would honestly rather wait until 2018 to get a decent DLC without tons of bugs and issues, then something rushed just to please people who were mostly spurred into action over an article with no credence whatsoever. 2018 for a first DLC is really pushing it, moreso if they insist on keeping radio silence.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 20:54:49 GMT
Regarding DLC, one thing I don't get is why people assume if we don't get any this year, we'll never get any at all? BW went through a lot of complications this year, not just exclusive to MEA, so basing a DLC timeline on past games where they were on a proper schedule is only setting people up to be disappointed. DLC is gong to happen, but chances are it'll be next year. Anthem's team is not 100% MEA's team either, so that is no excuse and Anthem has been delayed until the Fall next year, so MEA DLC in the Spring would not hurt it. I would honestly rather wait until 2018 to get a decent DLC without tons of bugs and issues, then something rushed just to please people who were mostly spurred into action over an article with no credence whatsoever. 2018 for a first DLC is really pushing it, moreso if they insist on keeping radio silence. Well maybe the fans should not have started kicking and screaming and acting like babies when they wanted to delay the game, and stopped flipping out over the romances and how ugly Sara looked, and BW might have being able to focus on moving forward sooner.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 21:05:15 GMT
Suikoden, please... play the game. Find the areas you disliked and write about them. That's helpful. Kicking BioWare is also fine by me... once you made your point. Your point is made. To the point now, that I want to literally headbutt you. You're funny. You are funny, but stop being mean. You can be real funny and provide great sources of entertainment. It's four months... and you're still at it. That's not commendable. Do better. Please. That's the thing - this is me doing the best I can. There is so much disinformation out there regarding Andromeda from my perspective. So much SJW garbage, so much misinformation regarding sales, its reception - everything. This is a vacuum of positivity for Andromeda on the internet - the hardcore of the hardcore, and information related on this site will spread. I'm merely trying to make sure that what's spread is accurate.You might not agree with me on what I consider accurate - and frankly I don't care - I just want to get the information out there that people can interpret how they will. More than anything, what drives me the most, is how many people are "settling" for the mediocrity that is Andromeda. Even praising it for it's faults - shunning all critical thinking And attempts at dialogue. Constructive criticism veiled in "Andromeda is teh best thing ever" isn't doing the devs any favours. I want them to hear loud and clear that they fucked up and that this lack of quality is not acceptable.Yeah but accurate based on how you feel about the game. Clearly not accurate for all. It's really an opinion you have. Yes if you are referring to the story being not as awesome as some of MET then sure. Yeah if it was released in an unpolished state. I don't get the SJW stuff but I sort of tune all that crap out. I personally think it's nice that they try to appeal to a diverse demographic and if they didn't I would be more put off by it because this ain't 1950. You are really all about 'constructive criticism' which is fine but it is criticism nevertheless. Plenty of us love it. I think of it a bit like how you can watch an old sci show that fucks up on science, some of the acting is a bit subpar, the CGI is comical and even maybe aspect of the story are mystery theater 3000 joke worthy, but the show is fun and something about it just hits a cord with you. So you love it anyway despite that some people don't and find countless flaws with it. The show still had a fan base. It still did well and people still watch it in reruns. That's sort of how I see it. You're condemning people for their preference to enjoy something. You're essentially calling them idiots in an indirect manner because we are shunning critical thinking. I beg to differ. I think most of us have that critical thinking and instead of attacking something we choose to say 'but it's fun!' Critical thinking is useful but it also makes you or people in general (me for example) bitchy complainers. I personally learned some time back that criticizing things puts me in a bad mood because I see faults and never have fun. Nobody is really saying it's the best thing ever (MEA) but we are saying that we like and enjoy it. There's a difference. In fact, I have seen plenty of people admit to some faults. But we still love it. Why is that such an issue for you? I suspect it might be that you fear BW will never make a game you enjoy and that you really enjoyed like MET and other BW games. But if people have fun with this one and you don't make sure people hate it accordingly then all they will do is make this type of game that you hate. Well, I doubt that will happen again. I am sure they are all sufficiently horrified still from the media backlash and that is probably why Hudson is back in house. Maybe relax and find something fun to do instead of repeating over and over that you think the game sucked. They got that message. It's out there. No need to keep chanting it ad nauseum.
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Post by kino on Jul 21, 2017 21:06:29 GMT
it's not coming Well, damn. I didn't expect anything from GamesCom anyway. From the way it sounds BioWare isn't going to have a presence there in any form. Not DA4, ME:A or Anthem. GamesCom seems to be a time when EA is showing their games coming out this year, particularly during the holidays.
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Post by malgus on Jul 21, 2017 21:07:10 GMT
Regarding DLC, one thing I don't get is why people assume if we don't get any this year, we'll never get any at all? BW went through a lot of complications this year, not just exclusive to MEA, so basing a DLC timeline on past games where they were on a proper schedule is only setting people up to be disappointed. DLC is gong to happen, but chances are it'll be next year. Anthem's team is not 100% MEA's team either, so that is no excuse and Anthem has been delayed until the Fall next year, so MEA DLC in the Spring would not hurt it. I would honestly rather wait until 2018 to get a decent DLC without tons of bugs and issues, then something rushed just to please people who were mostly spurred into action over an article with no credence whatsoever. 2018 for a first DLC is really pushing it, moreso if they insist on keeping radio silence. It all depends on the size of the dlc, for exemple with ME 2 and kasumi dlc, it was like 2 months after the release, while for jaws of hakon it was four months because the dlc was bigger so was longer to make. In the case of ME 3, leviathan was released 6 months after the release, but its because the EC (due to the backlash of the ending) took them both ressources and time so any story dlc would have been delaid in their schedule. It took more time for Leviathan to be release despite the fact that he was smaller than jaws of hakon. Same thing for MEA, the huge backlash against facial animation and bugs have taken the attention, ressources and manpower of Bioware. So it would have delaid any dlc schedule, if they intend to do both a huge dlc AND taking into account the fact that the huge patching would have taken away their ressources, it might take way more time to come with SP dlc for MEA.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 21:12:00 GMT
2018 for a first DLC is really pushing it, moreso if they insist on keeping radio silence. It all depends on the size of the dlc, for exemple with ME 2 and kasumi dlc, it was like 2 months after the release, while for jaws of hakon it was four months because the dlc was bigger so was longer to make. In the case of ME 3, leviathan was released 6 months after the release, but its because the EC (due to the backlash of the ending) took them both ressources and time so any story dlc would have been delaid in their schedule. It took more time for Leviathan to be release despite the fact that he was smaller than jaws of hakon. Same thing for MEA, the huge backlash against facial animation and bugs have taken the attention, ressources and manpower of Bioware. So it would have delaid any dlc schedule, if they intend to do both a huge dlc AND taking into account the fact that the huge patching would have taken away their ressources, it might take way more time to come with SP dlc for MEA. Basically this is what happened. BW made MEA and planned to take extra time to polish it up. Both EA and fans said March or else, so they rushed it out to meet the deadline. What happens next? Fans attack the game for its animations. BW fixes it. Not good enough. Sara is still ugly. BW fixes it. Still not pretty enough. BW fixes it. Now she's too pretty. Lets got back to patch 1.05. Romances. BW makes a mistake. The gay players point it out. BW fixes it. Memes made up of poor face animations flood the net. BW fixes it. Bugs reported throughout all 9 patches. BW fixes it. Game is relaunched with a new, shiny look in July. The month they would have likely launched it if allowed the first time. DLC is not even a storyboard thought atm. Now they have time to work on one if peope shut the hell up and let them!
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Post by malgus on Jul 21, 2017 21:19:22 GMT
It all depends on the size of the dlc, for exemple with ME 2 and kasumi dlc, it was like 2 months after the release, while for jaws of hakon it was four months because the dlc was bigger so was longer to make. In the case of ME 3, leviathan was released 6 months after the release, but its because the EC (due to the backlash of the ending) took them both ressources and time so any story dlc would have been delaid in their schedule. It took more time for Leviathan to be release despite the fact that he was smaller than jaws of hakon. Same thing for MEA, the huge backlash against facial animation and bugs have taken the attention, ressources and manpower of Bioware. So it would have delaid any dlc schedule, if they intend to do both a huge dlc AND taking into account the fact that the huge patching would have taken away their ressources, it might take way more time to come with SP dlc for MEA. Basically this is what happened. BW made MEA and planned to take extra time to polish it up. Both EA and fans said March or else, so they rushed it out to meet the deadline. What happens next? Fans attack the game for its animations. BW fixes it. Not good enough. Sara is still ugly. BW fixes it. Still not pretty enough. BW fixes it. Now she's too pretty. Lets got back to patch 1.05. Romances. BW makes a mistake. The gay players point it out. BW fixes it. Memes made up of poor face animations flood the net. BW fixes it. Bugs reported throughout all 9 patches. BW fixes it. Game is relaunched with a new, shiny look in July. The month they would have likely launched it if allowed the first time. DLC is not even a storyboard thought atm. Now they have time to work on one if peope shut the hell up and let them! Well I don't think people should shut up if they want SP dlc, the hashtag Savethequarians cannot hurt anyone, as long as its said respectfully... They need to know people are interested in more SP content.
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Post by sageoflife on Jul 21, 2017 21:19:24 GMT
Anytime someone insists that "SJW nonsense" is a problem with Andromeda, it instantly wipes out their credibility. Like they think no one knows what that's code for.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 21, 2017 21:20:14 GMT
2018 for a first DLC is really pushing it, moreso if they insist on keeping radio silence. Well maybe the fans should not have started kicking and screaming and acting like babies when they wanted to delay the game, and stopped flipping out over the romances and how ugly Sara looked, and BW might have being able to focus on moving forward sooner. EA/BioWare did indeed delay the game and stated they would do so again if it made the game better: EA Says It Would Delay Mass Effect Andromeda Again If It Makes the Game BetterThe initial delay was probably warranted in order to ship a functional product, if that 18-month development cycle is to be believed (and it looks very believable). After that they didn't delay it any further, but that has probably more to do with releasing the game before the end of Q4 than fan feedback. After all, they got a lot of negative feedback after the trial and they released the game anyway. In the end, EA/BioWare made a conscious (corporate) decision to release the game on March regardless of its state. I wouldn't try to shift responsibility for that decision to the fans.
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