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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 21, 2017 21:23:12 GMT
It all depends on the size of the dlc, for exemple with ME 2 and kasumi dlc, it was like 2 months after the release, while for jaws of hakon it was four months because the dlc was bigger so was longer to make. In the case of ME 3, leviathan was released 6 months after the release, but its because the EC (due to the backlash of the ending) took them both ressources and time so any story dlc would have been delaid in their schedule. It took more time for Leviathan to be release despite the fact that he was smaller than jaws of hakon. Same thing for MEA, the huge backlash against facial animation and bugs have taken the attention, ressources and manpower of Bioware. So it would have delaid any dlc schedule, if they intend to do both a huge dlc AND taking into account the fact that the huge patching would have taken away their ressources, it might take way more time to come with SP dlc for MEA. Basically this is what happened. BW made MEA and planned to take extra time to polish it up. Both EA and fans said March or else, so they rushed it out to meet the deadline. What happens next? Fans attack the game for its animations. BW fixes it. Not good enough. Sara is still ugly. BW fixes it. Still not pretty enough. BW fixes it. Now she's too pretty. Lets got back to patch 1.05. Romances. BW makes a mistake. The gay players point it out. BW fixes it. Memes made up of poor face animations flood the net. BW fixes it. Bugs reported throughout all 9 patches. BW fixes it. Game is relaunched with a new, shiny look in July. The month they would have likely launched it if allowed the first time. DLC is not even a storyboard thought atm. Now they have time to work on one if peope shut the hell up and let them!I don't think that's how companies work.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 21:24:26 GMT
Basically this is what happened. BW made MEA and planned to take extra time to polish it up. Both EA and fans said March or else, so they rushed it out to meet the deadline. What happens next? Fans attack the game for its animations. BW fixes it. Not good enough. Sara is still ugly. BW fixes it. Still not pretty enough. BW fixes it. Now she's too pretty. Lets got back to patch 1.05. Romances. BW makes a mistake. The gay players point it out. BW fixes it. Memes made up of poor face animations flood the net. BW fixes it. Bugs reported throughout all 9 patches. BW fixes it. Game is relaunched with a new, shiny look in July. The month they would have likely launched it if allowed the first time. DLC is not even a storyboard thought atm. Now they have time to work on one if people shut the hell up and let them! Well I don't think people should shut up if they want SP dlc, the hashtag Savethequarians cannot hurt anyone, as long as its said respectfully... They need to know people are interested in more SP content. Shut up about DLC? No. I am talking about more complaints that make them add more patches that are unnecessary.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 21:35:02 GMT
Well maybe the fans should not have started kicking and screaming and acting like babies when they wanted to delay the game, and stopped flipping out over the romances and how ugly Sara looked, and BW might have being able to focus on moving forward sooner. EA/BioWare did indeed delay the game and stated they would do so again if it made the game better: EA Says It Would Delay Mass Effect Andromeda Again If It Makes the Game BetterThe initial delay was probably warranted in order to ship a functional product, if that 18-month development cycle is to be believed (and it looks very believable). After that they didn't delay it any further, but that has probably more to do with releasing the game before the end of Q4 than fan feedback. After all, they got a lot of negative feedback after the trial and they released the game anyway. In the end, EA/BioWare made a conscious (corporate) decision to release the game on March regardless of its state. I wouldn't try to shift responsibility for that decision to the fans. Oh not all the blame, but the fans have been very disgusting since the game launched and didn't deserve half of what BW gave them imo.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 21, 2017 21:52:19 GMT
2018 for a first DLC is really pushing it, moreso if they insist on keeping radio silence. Well maybe the fans should not have started kicking and screaming and acting like babies when they wanted to delay the game, and stopped flipping out over the romances and how ugly Sara looked, and BW might have being able to focus on moving forward sooner. I didnt know that the fans have the power to make devs release unfinished games. If thats the case, all we have to do is kick and scream and we can get Kingdom Hearts 3, Cyberpunk 2078, and Metroid Prime 4 early? Also wasnt it Bioware that something in the vein of, "they will have to pull it from their dead hands" in relation to not releasing an unfinished game. .....so.....what happened?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 21:53:54 GMT
Well maybe the fans should not have started kicking and screaming and acting like babies when they wanted to delay the game, and stopped flipping out over the romances and how ugly Sara looked, and BW might have being able to focus on moving forward sooner. I didnt know that the fans have the power to make devs release unfinished games. If thats the case, all we have to do is kick and scream and we can get Kingdom Hearts 3, Cyberpunk 2078, and Metroid Prime 4 early? Also wasnt it Bioware that something in the vein of, "they will have to pull it from their dead hands" in relation to not releasing an unfinished game. .....so.....what happened? You do know "unfinished" means a game you can't complete right? lol I don't know about your game, but I was able to finish mine just fine in March!
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 21, 2017 21:59:31 GMT
I didnt know that the fans have the power to make devs release unfinished games. If thats the case, all we have to do is kick and scream and we can get Kingdom Hearts 3, Cyberpunk 2078, and Metroid Prime 4 early? Also wasnt it Bioware that something in the vein of, "they will have to pull it from their dead hands" in relation to not releasing an unfinished game. .....so.....what happened? You do know "unfinished" means a game you can't complete right? lol I don't know about your game, but I was able to complete mine just fine in March! A game can be playable from start to end but still need polishing.....like with animations.....and bugs.....which Bioware didnt polish before launch. So I ask again, if I kick and scream will Nintendo release Metroid Prime 4 before they are ready? Will Square Enix release KH3 this fall instead of 2018? How about Cyberpunk 2077, think kicking and screaming will get the game out for Holiday 2018 instead of 2019?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 22:01:28 GMT
You do know "unfinished" means a game you can't complete right? lol I don't know about your game, but I was able to complete mine just fine in March! A game can be playable from start to end but still need polishing.....like with animations.....and bugs.....which Bioware didnt polish before launch. So I ask again, if I kick and scream will Nintendo release Metroid Prime 4 before they are ready? Will Square Enix release KH3 this fall instead of 2018? How about Cyberpunk 2077, think kicking and screaming will get the game out for Holiday 2018 instead of 2019? Oh boo hoo the animations were't 100% perfect in the year 2017 where everything is so real my computer melts! The game is unplayable now! This is why BW should stop catering to the kicking and screaming.
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Post by majesticjazz on Jul 21, 2017 22:23:31 GMT
A game can be playable from start to end but still need polishing.....like with animations.....and bugs.....which Bioware didnt polish before launch. So I ask again, if I kick and scream will Nintendo release Metroid Prime 4 before they are ready? Will Square Enix release KH3 this fall instead of 2018? How about Cyberpunk 2077, think kicking and screaming will get the game out for Holiday 2018 instead of 2019? Oh boo hoo the animations were't 100% perfect in the year 2017 where everything is so real my computer melts! The game is unplayable now! This is why BW should stop catering to the kicking and screaming. So you are saying the vanilla MEA was just fine and shouldnt have had patches? And I wonder if Nintendo, Valve, Blizzard, and CDPR caters to the kicking and screaming?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2017 22:26:28 GMT
Oh boo hoo the animations were't 100% perfect in the year 2017 where everything is so real my computer melts! The game is unplayable now! This is why BW should stop catering to the kicking and screaming. So you are saying the vanilla MEA was just fine and shouldnt have had patches? It didn't bother me at all. In fact I never even paid any attention to the animations. It's a game, so I did what a gamer does. Explored. Fought enemies. Unlocked achievements. Completed missions, and beat the game. The animations were so far forgotten that when I came here and saw all the memes, I was seriously confused and had to actually look for it the next time I played. I was so swept up in the story, characters and combat, I cared about nothing else. MEA also had things DAI lacked, so for me it was an upgrade from DAI. MEA had hair that moves (all hair, not just one like Sera's in DAI), very detailed textures, natural face expressions (yes even the ones made fun of are expressions we all make in our daily life, and we look just as stupid, but don't notice since we are not watching ourselves) and clothes that moved freely and not stiff at all like Solas' or Viv's outfits. The skin was real as heck too and the planets were breathtaking with natural looking flowing water and gorgeous foliage. Clouds that moved in the sky! Tons of banter! A beautiful vehicle to drive in while we listened to that banter. I could go on!
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Jul 21, 2017 23:08:32 GMT
I'm trying to be positive here - what with Casey back in charge, DLC might not be all that bad. I was wrong.
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Post by rapscallioness on Jul 21, 2017 23:30:32 GMT
So, DA, ME and Anthem will not be at EA.com's "Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious - But wait there's Moar!! Gamescom Bonanza11!!!" presentation? That leaves us with what? SW? Madden? NBA, something or another? Is it that time of year again?
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 21, 2017 23:36:09 GMT
That I read both posts in Maury Povich's voice makes me angry and confused.
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Post by Sanunes on Jul 21, 2017 23:36:49 GMT
Oh boo hoo the animations were't 100% perfect in the year 2017 where everything is so real my computer melts! The game is unplayable now! This is why BW should stop catering to the kicking and screaming. So you are saying the vanilla MEA was just fine and shouldnt have had patches? And I wonder if Nintendo, Valve, Blizzard, and CDPR caters to the kicking and screaming? I wouldn't say the fans impacted the games, but at the same time all those companies have released things that if BioWare did it the internet would melt down. Breath of the Wild, that game first doesn't seem to be a Zelda game to me has a lot of the same problems that Andromeda does, what makes it worse from my experience was (as Jim Sterling called it) the weapon fragility system. I played it for a couple of hours and then moved on. Valve is a different animal now for frankly they don't see interested in making games at all, they just let things go until governments start to take notice such as the gambling and the refund system. Both Valve turned a blind eye to until regulators started to investigate. Blizzard released Diablo 2 and only really fixed the game with the expansion. CDPR is pretty close, but they did go back and release an overhauled UI for Witcher 3 and with the first Witcher game they did have the sex for cards mechanic and frankly combat has been clunky at best for me in all three games. The only strength I see in their games is the fixed protagonist. I guess I am just saying no developer is perfect and when people make BioWare out to be a hack of a developer because of the condition of Andromeda I don't think they paid much attention to the faults of the other games.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 21, 2017 23:39:20 GMT
It's not like you ever misrepresented the sales figures, or the reception of this game, right? Like, neveeerrr everrrr. And maybe you should look around on the internet if you think this place is a vaccuum of positivity about ME:A. Because I see people begging for DLC on Twitter, largely positive topics on Reddit and so on. But you never misrepresent anything, right? Neverr, everrr. Lol didn't this forum say reddit was just a hive of negativity? Man, the mental gymnastics some people go through I was pretty sure this forum said that reddit was a surprisingly good place for porn.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 21, 2017 23:40:04 GMT
Anytime someone insists that "SJW nonsense" is a problem with Andromeda, it instantly wipes out their credibility. Like they think no one knows what that's code for. Studies show that 1 out of every 6 people who use "SJW" don't actually know what "SJW" stands for.
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Post by malgus on Jul 21, 2017 23:41:31 GMT
Lol didn't this forum say reddit was just a hive of negativity? Man, the mental gymnastics some people go through I was pretty sure this forum said that reddit was a surprisingly good place for porn. Nah tumblr is a good place for that,
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Post by malgus on Jul 21, 2017 23:42:04 GMT
Anytime someone insists that "SJW nonsense" is a problem with Andromeda, it instantly wipes out their credibility. Like they think no one knows what that's code for. Studies show that 1 out of every 6 people who use "SJW" don't actually know what "SJW" stands for.
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Post by shechinah on Jul 22, 2017 0:02:11 GMT
Lol didn't this forum say reddit was just a hive of negativity? Man, the mental gymnastics some people go through I was pretty sure this forum said that reddit was a surprisingly good place for porn. Personally, I think Tumblr is the better place for porn including in terms of quality. Art in general, really. By the way, how come nobody told me that this forum has gained sapience, developed a capacity for speech and is apparently partaking in discussions? I feel like that's something we should probably talk about.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Jul 22, 2017 0:27:22 GMT
Now tigerlily is gone too. I'm starting to doubt this is just them taking a break
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 22, 2017 0:56:24 GMT
Now tigerlily is gone too. I'm starting to doubt this is just them taking a break I was a bit taken aback by this too.
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 22, 2017 1:03:32 GMT
Now tigerlily is gone too. I'm starting to doubt this is just them taking a break What do you think it is, then?
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 22, 2017 1:12:13 GMT
I was pretty sure this forum said that reddit was a surprisingly good place for porn. Personally, I think Tumblr is the better place for porn including in terms of quality. Art in general, really. By the way, how come nobody told me that this forum has gained sapience, developed a capacity for speech and is apparently partaking in discussions? I feel like that's something we should probably talk about. It's the singularity. If it asks "Does this forum have a soul?" kill it. Kill it with fire.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 22, 2017 1:29:16 GMT
Now tigerlily is gone too. I'm starting to doubt this is just them taking a break What do you think it is, then? The Nothing?
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 22, 2017 1:29:52 GMT
What do you think it is, then? The Nothing? Maybe. Or the Noid.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 22, 2017 1:30:45 GMT
Now tigerlily is gone too. I'm starting to doubt this is just them taking a break What do you think it is, then? It's a nothingburger.
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