1.09 as the release version

You're welcome. 

If you didn't think it was you, you would have had the good sense to ignore the comment entirely. I never said all people who don't like it are like that. You just self identified yourself as this person. 

Hmmm, I think the original version of the last animation worked as she's just been brought back from death, the grimaces make it look like she's in pain and I've seen that facial expression on athletes who've injured themselves (I mean actually injured themselves and not those twits who fake injuries and overreact to get a rival sent off) on the pitch

The original tempest reveal made me laugh because Ryder's smile made it look like they were shipsexual and wanted to bang the Tempest

yeah it wasn't on 1.05 but it certainly is now. I'm thankful that I asw a diamond through the clouds which were hte bugs whic hgave me reason t othink just be patient and Boiware will fix this and I' mglad I was patient as it now looks and plays much better. There still are 1 or 2 minor problems but the worst have definitely been dealt with now and the diamond that was in the rough is now shining bright.

Unquestionably a lot of the real reputation damage caused would have been averted, and there would be much more certainty on the game’s DLC and of future titles. My score on release was a 4/10, and I’d have given it at least a 6/10 had it came out in the 1.09 state. I’d have still been disappointed for sure, but it wouldn’t have put me off getting DLC or the next titles.

There was still issues, fair patches of the writing was feeling rushed, jumbled and inconsistent. A lot of the mechanics are basically the same to what we’ve already had in ME3/DAI, so that resulted in many side quests being a travel far & fetch thing. They bloat the game time you play sure, but most are ultimately worthless.

A simple point I must make again though, and I’ll keep making it. “Haters” didn’t trash the reputation of MEA. Bioware did that just fine on their own by making a bad job of putting it together, and EA as well for giving the thumbs up to release it despite the state it was in. Yes we know why that was the case, that isn’t in an excuse. This is AAA level stuff and people are paying at that level of price to reflect that.

Why is Battlefield Earth such an infamous and well known movie? Because those making it did such a bad job putting it together, you were better setting your cash for the entrance fee on fire than going to see it. The story and concepts for Battlefield Earth were fine, and even could have been pretty cool, but that was wrecked with how it all got cobbled together. If it were competently made, at worst it would have been just an average sci-fi movie that everyone quickly forgot about.

Same with MEA, the story and concepts they wanted to do aren’t bad and also could be very cool. The damage got done in how they made it, and that was despite being in the full knowledge MEA would be under a tough microscope being the first game since ME3! It’s not our fault as the gamer/buyer that Mass Effect is currently in murky waters. If you don’t want bad scores/lower sales, then don’t release games that clearly aren’t ready to be! Don’t blame your target audience for having brains to see that it isn’t, and giving feedback reflecting that.

It would have saved them from the onslaught of memes for sure. But that's about it. The only way you would think that it would have made a huge difference is if you think the animations and bugs were the only thing of any substance wrong with the game.

Any reviews critiquing the entire game I doubt would change much. A lot of reviews I've watched/read said things like let's address the elephant in the room first, the animations. Then they went on to still list flaws with the game. Those things didn't change with the patches. Also, if people didn't finish the game, or only played it once and put it down, I doubt seeing the game after the patches would change anything that caused them to do so.

Then you have people (They are out there) who just didn't like it because it wasn't the OT, so obviously these opinions would be unchanged.

I really liked the end of ME3 - I could live with Andromeda's animations if the story was on par with the trilogy, or if I thought the companions were any good.

Basically writing and dialogue ruined the game for me - the animations just accentuate these issues when Ryder pulls one of her trademark goofy smirks during a heavy scene.

What's a fuckwit exactly?

to a lot of people it is. Let's just hope bioware continues to stick to their guns.

I think it would have mattered in it's own way...I think it would have balanced the critical reception of the game, giving us some critics that hated it and some that liked it because then we'd only have subject matter that is subjective to opinions. As broken as it was, it gave people factual reasons to dislike the game that aren't a matter of opinion (IE: the ground not rendering).

As to how people responded to it, I think it would have probably worked out like DA2 did. Your dedicated haters would be there, pissed because Ryder isn't Shepard 2.0 or whatever other trilogy comfort they can't find in Andromeda, your crazy people that think Bioware releases perfect games and then people who can actually judge the game on standalone merits.

The funny thing about all that, when DA:2 was released, so many people hated on it because it wasn't DAO: 2, but eventually it had it's own following and people don't really hate on it anymore...
Sadly, hating on Andromeda will likely continue for awhile and I'm not sure it's going to build enough steam to get the same kind of following...

That's cool.

I'm one of the people who liked MEA more than ME2.

Yeah that wouldn't surprise me.

More of a DA2 reception, generally.

AKA the game in the series that rocked the user ratings and didn't have the best critic ratings, didn't do as totally well as hoped (in player response and financially), but still probably enough to continue the series and do it better next time, as well as still carry along people who did play/start with it and actually really enjoy what it did have to offer in its own way.

I think I was more negative about this in March but after 1.09 and chances of SP DLC still in my consideration, I'm thinking it'll 'just' be the ME DA2, instead of just maybe the ME Death.


MEA will always be utterly better as a game itself than ME1 in nearly all aspects though. That's, sure, not a giant feat with how dated ME1 is now, but it does mean that I have my zone exploration focused ME game 'overwriting' most desire I might have to turn to play ME1 again. Yay! Was getting tired of it .