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Post by dmc1001 on Jul 28, 2017 7:11:58 GMT
I'm not voting because I have split feelings. I think that, yes, overall it would have been received better. However, the bullshit evasiveness with the m/m romances and implication that a decent human male/human male could exist would still have left me disappointed.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 28, 2017 9:19:33 GMT
... There were barely any criticism when the game released about the move to Andromeda, that was fine. Same for Ryder. ... Honestly, I can recall significant wailing about the move to Andromeda and protagonist change on BSN Prime (alongside excitement), so it's another half-filled glass situation in my view.
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Post by link2twenty on Jul 28, 2017 9:27:03 GMT
... There were barely any criticism when the game released about the move to Andromeda, that was fine. Same for Ryder. ... Honestly, I can recall significant wailing about the move to Andromeda and protagonist change on BSN Prime (alongside excitement), so it's another half-filled glass situation in my view. And months of, "Where's Shepard?"
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Post by shechinah on Jul 28, 2017 10:59:16 GMT
Now, this is the prime example of being delusional. There were barely any criticism when the game released about the move to Andromeda, that was fine. Same for Ryder. He will never be the favorite protagonist but that's to be expected. The game just doesn't measure to other titles, it doesn't match nor raises the bar. It's that simple. If it's not considered by many as a better game than HZD, BoTW and TW3, there's a reason for that, and maybe you should put aside your bias tinted glasses and try to understand that. That's not at all how I remember things: there were plenty of criticisms thrown Andromeda's way including aboout it's premise which some felt violated segments of the Mass Effect lore. With a bit of digging, I may be able to find some of these.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 28, 2017 15:42:51 GMT
I still don't see much difference ... unless you speaking of real subtle. .....unless you mean the black boxes around the 1.09 gifs. Then again I don't see emotion unless very widely exaggerated and if that is what this is all about again... I would much rather have the Planet fall on Habitat 7 be controllable than have to view as cutscene.
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Post by laudable11 on Jul 28, 2017 15:50:55 GMT
Can't patch subpar writing.
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Post by sil on Jul 28, 2017 16:09:35 GMT
Can't patch subpar writing. You can, actually.
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Post by Heimdall on Jul 28, 2017 16:44:14 GMT
Now, this is the prime example of being delusional. There were barely any criticism when the game released about the move to Andromeda, that was fine. Same for Ryder. He will never be the favorite protagonist but that's to be expected. The game just doesn't measure to other titles, it doesn't match nor raises the bar. It's that simple. If it's not considered by many as a better game than HZD, BoTW and TW3, there's a reason for that, and maybe you should put aside your bias tinted glasses and try to understand that. That's not at all how I remember things: there were plenty of criticisms thrown Andromeda's way including aboout it's premise which some felt violated segments of the Mass Effect lore. With a bit of digging, I may be able to find some of these. See if the old Ark Theory thread has survived on fextralife, fun times, much wailing and gnashing of teeth.
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Post by shechinah on Jul 28, 2017 19:30:40 GMT
That's not at all how I remember things: there were plenty of criticisms thrown Andromeda's way including aboout it's premise which some felt violated segments of the Mass Effect lore. With a bit of digging, I may be able to find some of these. See if the old Ark Theory thread has survived on fextralife, fun times, much wailing and gnashing of teeth. This one? fextralife.com/forums/t404119/ark-theory/?sid=3fcbd12fd1f19a1cad20cf223201074eIt's interesting to see people now complain about the inclusion of the old races and so many of the old Mass Effect elements when back on the old forums, there were more than a few who were worried and some that complained about the possibility that Andromeda would not resemble Mass Effect enough. Don't mistake me, I'm not saying that it's the same people.
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Post by Heimdall on Jul 28, 2017 19:52:17 GMT
See if the old Ark Theory thread has survived on fextralife, fun times, much wailing and gnashing of teeth. This one? fextralife.com/forums/t404119/ark-theory/?sid=3fcbd12fd1f19a1cad20cf223201074eIt's interesting to see people now complain about the inclusion of the old races and so many of the old Mass Effect elements when back on the old forums, there were more than a few who were worried and some that complained about the possibility that Andromeda would not resemble Mass Effect enough. Don't mistake me, I'm not saying that it's the same people. Kinda funny reading my first post in that thread. I got a lot right, and a few things wrong. I actually thought MEA would take place a few centuries after resettlement in Andromeda.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Jul 28, 2017 21:09:46 GMT
None of you understood what I was saying. The move to Andromeda, wasn't painted in a bad way by critics, it wasn't a common complaint like the dull writing, uninspiring companions, the animations, bugs and etc. And the same can be said about Ryder. Ryder was criticized whenever the dialogue tree appeared, since it's not a really deep one, and that's a legit thing. MEA was reviewed by what it is, and the score it got reflected that.
Posters, YouTube comments or anything of that shit didn't review the game, because they're shit posting all the time, and can't judge a game without being extremely biased so I really - really wouldn't consider that.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 28, 2017 21:19:22 GMT
Can't patch subpar writing. Except quality of said writing is subjective.😉
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Post by geralt on Jul 28, 2017 22:14:28 GMT
Can't patch subpar writing. Except quality of said writing is subjective.😉 Not all quality of writing is down to subjectivity. For example, here are some things mentioned from the early cutscenes involving Ryder for the first time: After initial contact with the scourge we’re told main power is out, we’ve lost telemetry and that power reserves won’t “last”, nothing to mention how long is that support to be. (Required for building tension and to quantify the urgency to the player.) No explanation as to what happened with all those power reserves built up in the 600 years of travel, Alec mentions when power goes out, it's out for good, despite going to FTL generates the ship power. SAM tells us the cloud is dampening sensors, so the planet can’t be scanned to find out what the deal is with it. So we’ve regained telemetry now in the space of a few seconds? Then Alec says it’s up to him to find an alternative if this planet is a bust, how will that be done Alec if ark ends adrift like you say it will when the power goes? Then Captain Dunsail says we need teams to repair the sensors ASAP, that we’re “blind out here” but SAM just said moments ago the energy field was dampening our sensors - huh? So what is it, are the sensors out or not? Nothing subjective there, that's a portion of bad writing.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 28, 2017 23:07:15 GMT
... There were barely any criticism when the game released about the move to Andromeda, that was fine. Same for Ryder. ... Honestly, I can recall significant wailing about the move to Andromeda and protagonist change on BSN Prime (alongside excitement), so it's another half-filled glass situation in my view. So can I I remember a lot of people being upset about Shep's story being over and not being in the MW anymore. Personally while I understood people's concerns I agreed that if the series was to continue it needed to move onto something fresh after that story. So in my opinion they made the right decision. It was more the troubled development cycle that for me stopping MEA quite reaching the heights that some would have liked but it looks like it's done well enough to justify it's existence so I'm happy with that.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 29, 2017 2:05:39 GMT
Except quality of said writing is subjective.😉 Not all quality of writing is down to subjectivity. For example, here are some things mentioned from the early cutscenes involving Ryder for the first time: After initial contact with the scourge we’re told main power is out, we’ve lost telemetry and that power reserves won’t “last”, nothing to mention how long is that support to be. (Required for building tension and to quantify the urgency to the player.) No explanation as to what happened with all those power reserves built up in the 600 years of travel, Alec mentions when power goes out, it's out for good, despite going to FTL generates the ship power. S AM tells us the cloud is dampening sensors, so the planet can’t be scanned to find out what the deal is with it. So we’ve regained telemetry now in the space of a few seconds?Then Alec says it’s up to him to find an alternative if this planet is a bust, how will that be done Alec if ark ends adrift like you say it will when the power goes? Then Captain Dunsail says we need teams to repair the sensors ASAP, that we’re “blind out here” but SAM just said moments ago the energy field was dampening our sensors - huh? So what is it, are the sensors out or not? Nothing subjective there, that's a portion of bad writing. Well first off: 600 years is a long time. Also if you didn't read all the info in the exploration of the Hyperion - the ship was breaking down in route to Andromeda. Secondly show me proof the FTL generates power? I thought I read that the power came from the Element Zero harnessed from the empty void space between the galaxies. Thirdly it is most likely that sensors are not "down" per-Se. But more likely that they are as SAM said being dampened. You should be aware that sensors in most science fiction are a complex system of mostly software and some hardware that work together to show whats there. Like current Radar is composed of a rotating dish and computer software that reads the incoming data. Data that when received may not be completely understood without ALL the data: receive data about the planet buy yet don't know about the vaults. So more likely than not they need repairs to either the hardware or the software but not the whole bloody thing. Otherwise the information that they are receiving is not complete and is a distorted picture. As the energy cloud probably did damage to the software and is causing glitching. Like seeing a plane on glitchy radar that disappears and appears again. Everyone claims aliens when all that is needed is a new LCD screen to fix a damaged monitor.
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Post by geralt on Jul 29, 2017 3:15:06 GMT
Well first off: 600 years is a long time. Also if you didn't read all the info in the exploration of the Hyperion - the ship was breaking down in route to Andromeda. Secondly show me proof the FTL generates power? I thought I read that the power came from the Element Zero harnessed from the empty void space between the galaxies. Glad you asked, both the codex and initiative promotion material tells us so, and it's pretty clear on it as well. Pre-release briefing video: "With the Arks unable to refuel by traditional means in dark space, the journey to Andromeda is only made possible by the ODSY Drive System. The ODSY is a massive experimental drive core specifically designed for this trans-galactic voyage. It is capable of recycling static energy that would typically cause a starship to explode, instead storing it to power the Ark’s primary systems. Meanwhile, an electromagnetic ram-scoop will gather hydrogen from the Ark’s surroundings, converting it into fuel as needed." Codex: "The ODSY (out-galaxy distributed static sync) drive core is designed to minimize static build-up, and transfers the remaining charge to specially designed capacitors attached to the core. The recycled electricity is used to run ship systems, reducing power requirements and lowering heat generation. Cross-galaxy, the arks gathered hydrogen using an electromagnetic ramscoop, converting it into protons with an ionizing laser. Proton collision in the arks' fusion reactors provided power for their thrusters." Thirdly it is most likely that sensors are not "down" per-Se. That isn't the case from the dialogue, it's specifically said we are "blind" and that the sensors need repaired, not much room for other interpretation. But more likely that they are as SAM said being dampened. Where is the evidence for this? The writing is contradictory, simple as that. There is a big difference between something being offline, and being impaired, as that tells us they function to at least a certain level to be able to determine that impairment. You should be aware that sensors in most science fiction are a complex system of mostly software and some hardware that work together to show whats there. Like current Radar is composed of a rotating dish and computer software that reads the incoming data. Data that when received may not be completely understood without ALL the data: receive data about the planet buy yet don't know about the vaults. So more likely than not they need repairs to either the hardware or the software but not the whole bloody thing. Otherwise the information that they are receiving is not complete and is a distorted picture. As the energy cloud probably did damage to the software and is causing glitching. Like seeing a plane on glitchy radar that disappears and appears again. Everyone claims aliens when all that is needed is a new LCD screen to fix a damaged monitor. "Most" science fiction sensors are not Mass Effect sensors, and are all therefore completely irreverent to any discussion. I'm not sure what point is trying to be made there in doing so. When at sublight speeds, the ships use LADAR: "Active sensors are radars and high resolution ladars (LAser Detection And Ranging) that emit a "ping" of energy and "listen" for return signals. Ladars have a narrower field of view than radar, but ladar resolution allows images of detected objects to be assembled. Active sensors are useless when a ship is moving at FTL speeds." The problem is you're using words like "probably" or "likely", and then filling in any gaps with your own speculation. That in itself demonstrates the shoddy writing of this portion of the story. Now there are times when it is good to be asking questions or speculating with your own ideas. A good example off the top of my head is the whale song from Star Trek IV. They writers had to fight the studio against subtitling the whale song interaction with the probe. That's a good example of what an audience should be racking their brains over thinking about, not over the very basic stuff like I've cited. There's plenty more. Though it be too time consuming to go into much more than that.
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Post by Steelcan on Jul 29, 2017 3:27:18 GMT
I think it would have gotten a better reception in that the memes about the game wouldn't have taken of.
But I don't think it really deserves to be considered better, it still has so many shortcomings
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Jul 29, 2017 4:28:18 GMT
Glad you asked, both the codex and initiative promotion material tells us so, and it's pretty clear on it as well.
Pre-release briefing video:
"With the Arks unable to refuel by traditional means in dark space, the journey to Andromeda is only made possible by the ODSY Drive System. The ODSY is a massive experimental drive core specifically designed for this trans-galactic voyage. It is capable of recycling static energy that would typically cause a starship to explode, instead storing it to power the Ark’s primary systems. Meanwhile, an electromagnetic ram-scoop will gather hydrogen from the Ark’s surroundings, converting it into fuel as needed."
Codex:
"The ODSY (out-galaxy distributed static sync) drive core is designed to minimize static build-up, and transfers the remaining charge to specially designed capacitors attached to the core. The recycled electricity is used to run ship systems, reducing power requirements and lowering heat generation.
Cross-galaxy, the arks gathered hydrogen using an electromagnetic ramscoop, converting it into protons with an ionizing laser. Proton collision in the arks' fusion reactors provided power for their thrusters."
Where is the evidence for this? The writing is contradictory, simple as that. There is a big difference between something being offline, and being impaired, as that tells us they function to at least a certain level to be able to determine that impairment. "Most" science fiction sensors are not Mass Effect sensors, and are all therefore completely irreverent to any discussion. I'm not sure what point is trying to be made there in doing so. When at sublight speeds, the ships use LADAR: " Active sensors are radars and high resolution ladars (LAser Detection And Ranging) that emit a "ping" of energy and "listen" for return signals. Ladars have a narrower field of view than radar, but ladar resolution allows images of detected objects to be assembled. Active sensors are useless when a ship is moving at FTL speeds." The problem is you're using words like "probably" or "likely", and then filling in any gaps with your own speculation. That in itself demonstrates the shoddy writing of this portion of the story. Now there are times when it is good to be asking questions or speculating with your own ideas. A good example off the top of my head is the whale song from Star Trek IV. They writers had to fight the studio against subtitling the whale song interaction with the probe. That's a good example of what an audience should be racking their brains over thinking about, not over the very basic stuff like I've cited. There's plenty more. Though it be too time consuming to go into much more than that. Ok then I will try not to be as theoretical. Thank you for the clarification of the energy cycling system. However all that refers to is hydrogen and protons and radiation emitted from the Ark and recollected to basically keep the lights on -auxilary power. Not the method of main power related to Element Zero -which is usually the main power source for ships in MASS EFFECT. Also as to the transverse between galaxies and 600 years -I am not referring to the Promotional nor the Codex information. I am referring to the Padds on the Hyperion that you can pick up and read that indicate failures of ship hardware in route to Andromeda. As to sensors ... You even know which sensors they talking about? Its sounds as if you are referring to active sensors only. According to that definition ACTIVE sensors are ONLY used at FTL. I doubt they are using ACTIVE sensors at the hovering state they are in Andromeda. It is the Passive sensors that are being used and that alone is a whole other ball game. For passive sensors can cover almost anything: life support, engines, shields weapons, external view, ect. For that reason she could mean they are blind on any number of internal issues. Sr. Ryder confirms it with when he states that when the power goes out and stays out... A sure indicator that the passive sensors of life support and or cryo-pod support are at the very least down and need of repair. That does not mean the the passive sensors telling them they have arrived and where they are in Andromeda are down. Also these external passive sensors that tell them where they are as SAM said being dampned. Dampned- a word that itself alone does not mean disabled but lessen, to weaken, to make less intense. Thus in the common-sense term the sensors would be blind to what would be far off while still working close up. Again however in the real-world and in science there are passive sensors for EVERY INTERNAL SYSTEM in a functioning ship. Also would it not be safe to infer that the Hyperion only got damaged on the right side so it is possible that repair is needed on the right side while the left side is fine?
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Post by The Twilight God on Jul 29, 2017 6:58:43 GMT
Wouldn't it be received better even after just the first update. I mean... it was panned pretty hard. They really had nowhere to go but up.
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Post by clips7 on Jul 29, 2017 15:05:51 GMT
Can't patch subpar writing. This...even with patch 1.09, the game is a solid 8 for me....story and characters is, and will continue to be Andromeda's biggest flaws....
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Post by Fiery Phoenix on Jul 29, 2017 15:09:52 GMT
Almost definitely. Its technical issues at launch were a major reason for the whole debacle.
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