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Post by griffith82 on Jul 28, 2017 21:26:51 GMT
Story disconnect will occur at different times for different people for different reasons. Most ME players aren't really going to pay attention if the technology that powers the arks violates existing lore or not, so they simply aren't going to care enough to view the MEA premise as lore-breaking. Personally I found that ME2 and 3 violated the pre-existing ME lore to such an extent that it showed Bioware wasn't really interested in creating an internally consistent universe. Therefore I was more inlclined to "just go with it" whenever I came across anything lore breaking. How does the ark violate the lore?
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Post by vonuber on Jul 28, 2017 22:37:23 GMT
So basically you don't care how stupid Bioware makes the story as long as they use resources for the answer is that it? Bring the dead back to life and transport to another galaxy just like that. No, what I am saying is that to be lore consistent that's all you need to say. To play Mass Effect it helps if you leave your brain at the door, given they just made it up as they went along. ME:A just continues from where Bioware left off in that regard.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 29, 2017 0:11:02 GMT
Story disconnect will occur at different times for different people for different reasons. Most ME players aren't really going to pay attention if the technology that powers the arks violates existing lore or not, so they simply aren't going to care enough to view the MEA premise as lore-breaking. Personally I found that ME2 and 3 violated the pre-existing ME lore to such an extent that it showed Bioware wasn't really interested in creating an internally consistent universe. Therefore I was more inlclined to "just go with it" whenever I came across anything lore breaking. How does the ark violate the lore? I guess the ODSY drive, but not really, because there wouldn't have been time for that to roll out and be adopted by the galaxy at large when the reaper war's about to start not long after.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 29, 2017 0:47:45 GMT
How does the ark violate the lore? I guess the ODSY drive, but not really, because there wouldn't have been time for that to roll out and be adopted by the galaxy at large when the reaper war's about to start not long after. The galaxy changed how all their guns work in two years. You think ship engines with effectively unlimited range wouldn't have been adapted in ten?
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 29, 2017 0:48:53 GMT
How does the ark violate the lore? I guess the ODSY drive, but not really, because there wouldn't have been time for that to roll out and be adopted by the galaxy at large when the reaper war's about to start not long after. Yesh I see how some would think that, however with the reveal of why they left it's obvious that it was developed in secret. I'm wondering if the Benefactor has ties to The Illusive Man?
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 29, 2017 1:13:55 GMT
I guess the ODSY drive, but not really, because there wouldn't have been time for that to roll out and be adopted by the galaxy at large when the reaper war's about to start not long after. The galaxy changed how all their guns work in two years. You think ship engines with effectively unlimited range wouldn't have been adapted in ten? Now you've forfeited your right to ever complain about ME2 going to ammo clips.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 29, 2017 1:18:50 GMT
The galaxy changed how all their guns work in two years. You think ship engines with effectively unlimited range wouldn't have been adapted in ten? Now you've forfeited your right to ever complain about ME2 going to ammo clips. Why? Because Bioware is selective in their lore-bending?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 29, 2017 1:23:21 GMT
I guess the ODSY drive, but not really, because there wouldn't have been time for that to roll out and be adopted by the galaxy at large when the reaper war's about to start not long after. Yesh I see how some would think that, however with the reveal of why they left it's obvious that it was developed in secret. I'm wondering if the Benefactor has ties to The Illusive Man? I hope not. I'd prefer the Benefactor be new rather than yet another Cerberus thing. Personally I'm hoping the Benefactor is actually a group of people, sort of like the Illuminati in the Deus Ex franchise.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 29, 2017 1:26:42 GMT
Yesh I see how some would think that, however with the reveal of why they left it's obvious that it was developed in secret. I'm wondering if the Benefactor has ties to The Illusive Man? I hope not. I'd prefer the Benefactor be new rather than yet another Cerberus thing. Personally I'm hoping the Benefactor is actually a group of people, sort of like the Illuminati in the Deus Ex franchise. Well the Benefactor "itself" could be new but he/she would have to be connected to either Cerberus or Hackett in order to know about the Reapers. Current lore states only they plus Anderson and Shepard knew. Unless it's another black is or secret group.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Jul 29, 2017 1:31:07 GMT
I hope not. I'd prefer the Benefactor be new rather than yet another Cerberus thing. Personally I'm hoping the Benefactor is actually a group of people, sort of like the Illuminati in the Deus Ex franchise. Well the Benefactor "itself" could be new but he/she would have to be connected to either Cerberus or Hackett in order to know about the Reapers. Current lore states only they plus Anderson and Shepard knew. Unless it's another black is or secret group. Not necessarily. The Shadow Broker also knew and even Liara was on the right track before meeting Shepard, so they can argue others figured it out as well. Plus according to the game they knew something was coming but didn't know it was the Reapers specifically until after ME1 with Shepard talking about them. And yes I'm saying it is a secret group, hence the Illuminati example. A group of influential and powerful people who operate within the shadows. Now if it is a group I could see The Illusive Man having been a member, but broke away wanting to do his solution over theirs'.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 29, 2017 1:34:42 GMT
Well the Benefactor "itself" could be new but he/she would have to be connected to either Cerberus or Hackett in order to know about the Reapers. Current lore states only they plus Anderson and Shepard knew. Unless it's another black is or secret group. Not necessarily. The Shadow Broker also knew and even Liara was on the right track before meeting Shepard, so they can argue others figured it out as well. Plus according to the game they knew something was coming but didn't know it was the Reapers specifically until after ME1 with Shepard talking about them. And yes I'm saying it is a secret group, hence the Illuminati example. A group of influential and powerful people who operate within the shadows. Now if it is a group I could see The Illusive Man having been a member, but broke away wanting to do his solution over theirs'. Hmmm I like the way you think.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 29, 2017 1:58:38 GMT
I guess the ODSY drive, but not really, because there wouldn't have been time for that to roll out and be adopted by the galaxy at large when the reaper war's about to start not long after. Not the whole galaxy, but a few ships could be outfitted with the new drive before the reapers show up. Not sure what difference it would have made when facing the reapers
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Post by Arcian on Jul 29, 2017 2:00:54 GMT
How does the ark violate the lore? I guess the ODSY drive, but not really, because there wouldn't have been time for that to roll out and be adopted by the galaxy at large when the reaper war's about to start not long after. The ODSY is a sum of different technologies, each of which would be useful to the war effort. The war effort doesn't need ships that can travel to other galaxies, but it needs ships that don't have to stop and discharge and hence expose themselves to an attack by the reapers, and ships that can collect fuel in transit from interstellar space instead of having to access fuel depots or planetside facilities that will expose them to attacks by the reapers. The galaxy changed how all their guns work in two years. You think ship engines with effectively unlimited range wouldn't have been adapted in ten? Now you've forfeited your right to ever complain about ME2 going to ammo clips. ME2's mistake wasn't introducing heat sinks, it was to completely remove cooldown-based weapons from the game's weapon pool. Ideally, weapon modding should have been kept for ME2 and allow the player to install and uninstall heat sinks for every available weapon in the game.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 29, 2017 2:24:33 GMT
I guess the ODSY drive, but not really, because there wouldn't have been time for that to roll out and be adopted by the galaxy at large when the reaper war's about to start not long after. The ODSY is a sum of different technologies, each of which would be useful to the war effort. The war effort doesn't need ships that can travel to other galaxies, but it needs ships that don't have to stop and discharge and hence expose themselves to an attack by the reapers, and ships that can collect fuel in transit from interstellar space instead of having to access fuel depots or planetside facilities that will expose them to attacks by the reapers. Now you've forfeited your right to ever complain about ME2 going to ammo clips. ME2's mistake wasn't introducing heat sinks, it was to completely remove cooldown-based weapons from the game's weapon pool. Ideally, weapon modding should have been kept for ME2 and allow the player to install and uninstall heat sinks for every available weapon in the game. To the first part I see your point but I contend this was developed in secret and whoever the Benefactor is wants to keep it that way. The second part eh I hated the cool down so I loved that they ditched it (at the time.) Much preferred the balance they achieved in ME3.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 29, 2017 2:31:23 GMT
I guess the ODSY drive, but not really, because there wouldn't have been time for that to roll out and be adopted by the galaxy at large when the reaper war's about to start not long after. Not the whole galaxy, but a few ships could be outfitted with the new drive before the reapers show up. Not sure what difference it would have made when facing the reapers It'd really be best suited for running and hiding....perhaps to a new galaxy.
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Post by Iakus on Jul 29, 2017 2:45:12 GMT
Well the Benefactor "itself" could be new but he/she would have to be connected to either Cerberus or Hackett in order to know about the Reapers. Current lore states only they plus Anderson and Shepard knew. Unless it's another black is or secret group. Not necessarily. The Shadow Broker also knew and even Liara was on the right track before meeting Shepard, so they can argue others figured it out as well. Plus according to the game they knew something was coming but didn't know it was the Reapers specifically until after ME1 with Shepard talking about them. And yes I'm saying it is a secret group, hence the Illuminati example. A group of influential and powerful people who operate within the shadows. Now if it is a group I could see The Illusive Man having been a member, but broke away wanting to do his solution over theirs'. Still kinda hoping it was the geth
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Post by Iakus on Jul 29, 2017 2:46:25 GMT
Not the whole galaxy, but a few ships could be outfitted with the new drive before the reapers show up. Not sure what difference it would have made when facing the reapers It'd really be best suited for running and hiding....perhaps to a new galaxy. Just travel to the dark between the stars for a couple centuries. There's so much empty space out there the Reapers would never find them
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 29, 2017 3:03:06 GMT
Not necessarily. The Shadow Broker also knew and even Liara was on the right track before meeting Shepard, so they can argue others figured it out as well. Plus according to the game they knew something was coming but didn't know it was the Reapers specifically until after ME1 with Shepard talking about them. And yes I'm saying it is a secret group, hence the Illuminati example. A group of influential and powerful people who operate within the shadows. Now if it is a group I could see The Illusive Man having been a member, but broke away wanting to do his solution over theirs'. Still kinda hoping it was the geth The quarians would die from all the salt built up in their suits.
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Post by Steelcan on Jul 29, 2017 3:12:36 GMT
guys, it was Cerberus
just saying
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Post by Arcian on Jul 29, 2017 3:27:42 GMT
guys, it was Cerberus just saying Of course it was, it's not called the Illusive Initiative for nothing.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 29, 2017 4:37:11 GMT
guys, it was Cerberus just saying Barla Von scoffs at this.
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Post by SKAR on Jul 29, 2017 6:18:57 GMT
Andromeda has more secrets to be unveiled. I hope so. If there is dlc or another game, I hope they step it up a notch or two. Hopefully something better than the Kett and Archon. I like the kett as the enemy but i'm really looking for to discovering the secrets of the Jardaan.
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Post by The Twilight God on Jul 29, 2017 6:44:04 GMT
Anyone else think that, with the very tepid reaction by most ME fans and the general gaming population/media, it is quite possible that for the next Mass Effect title to be set back in the Milky Way? Before Andromeda released, I was fairly confident that we'd see several games set in the Andromeda galaxy, telling the story of the Ryder family as they seek to find a new home for the Citadel races. But with the unexpectedly low sales and review scores, everything seems to have changed on Biowares end. We still don't know for sure, but it seems as though Montreal has been downsized from a full studio and repurposed as a supplemental team once again. I think it is quite possible Bioware may play it safe on their end, by releasing a game set in the more traditional and well-liked setting of the Milky Way. That way, they can use tried and true settings, fan favorite characters and races, and iconic elements from the trilogy (ME relays, etc.) to win back hardcore fans. What do y'all think? There was a time I would say that unless it was Destroy ending canon no one would accept it.
But I think the ME crowd would buy anything Bioware put out. Even if it picked up on a nonsensical premise and they continued taking a dump on their own lore.
There is an easy solution for going forward. Bioware simply needs to take it.
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Post by vonuber on Jul 29, 2017 7:28:17 GMT
There is an easy solution for going forward. Bioware simply needs to take it. Yup - ME:A2.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 29, 2017 7:38:18 GMT
Anyone else think that, with the very tepid reaction by most ME fans and the general gaming population/media, it is quite possible that for the next Mass Effect title to be set back in the Milky Way? Before Andromeda released, I was fairly confident that we'd see several games set in the Andromeda galaxy, telling the story of the Ryder family as they seek to find a new home for the Citadel races. But with the unexpectedly low sales and review scores, everything seems to have changed on Biowares end. We still don't know for sure, but it seems as though Montreal has been downsized from a full studio and repurposed as a supplemental team once again. I think it is quite possible Bioware may play it safe on their end, by releasing a game set in the more traditional and well-liked setting of the Milky Way. That way, they can use tried and true settings, fan favorite characters and races, and iconic elements from the trilogy (ME relays, etc.) to win back hardcore fans. What do y'all think? There was a time I would say that unless it was Destroy ending canon no one would accept it.
But I think the ME crowd would buy anything Bioware put out. Even if it picked up on a nonsensical premise and they continued taking a dump on their own lore.
There is an easy solution for going forward. Bioware simply needs to take it.
Well, nonsensical premises is kind of Bio's MO (dumping on lore's as much a tradition as Thanksgiving dinner), but if people really are willing to just buy anything they make, wouldn't any solution be an easy one? :sure:
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