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Post by Steelcan on Jul 29, 2017 13:40:49 GMT
There is an easy solution for going forward. Bioware simply needs to take it. Yup - ME:A2. sure that's an easy solution, but Christ I hope they resist the temptation to continue this "saga"
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Post by vonuber on Jul 29, 2017 13:53:03 GMT
sure that's an easy solution, but Christ I hope they resist the temptation to continue this "saga" Eh, I hope they do. It's got promise, and more importantly, no real plot baggage to carry on to the next one.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 29, 2017 14:43:46 GMT
sure that's an easy solution, but Christ I hope they resist the temptation to continue this "saga" Eh I want them to. It be a gigantic waste if they don't.
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Post by kino on Jul 29, 2017 14:52:28 GMT
There is an easy solution for going forward. Bioware simply needs to take it. Yup - ME:A2. Exactly. Now that the development tools are built, assets created and universe defined ME:A2 makes the most sense.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 29, 2017 16:32:37 GMT
sure that's an easy solution, but Christ I hope they resist the temptation to continue this "saga" Is there really a difference? A good or bad game won't really be determined by whether or not they continue with [at least most of] the characters or setting anyway.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 29, 2017 16:37:57 GMT
Exactly. Now that the development tools are built, assets created and universe defined ME:A2 makes the most sense. Agreed. Let's hope it happens.
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Post by mannyray on Jul 29, 2017 16:48:56 GMT
I sincerely hope they do not pander to the screaming minority and return to the Milky Way. That would impose a canon ending which would negate much of the storytelling upside of the original trilogy. That would be akin to a direct sequel to Baldur's Gate 2 imposing a canon ending and making user choice irrelevant. As clunky as the writing was for ME:A they have a decent premise and an intriguing new setting with more possibilities. Roll with it.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 29, 2017 17:33:24 GMT
sure that's an easy solution, but Christ I hope they resist the temptation to continue this "saga" What are you pushing as an alternative? I'm having trouble keeping everyone's preferences straight.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 29, 2017 17:42:35 GMT
I sincerely hope they do not pander to the screaming minority and return to the Milky Way. That would impose a canon ending which would negate much of the storytelling upside of the original trilogy. That would be akin to a direct sequel to Baldur's Gate 2 imposing a canon ending and making user choice irrelevant. As clunky as the writing was for ME:A they have a decent premise and an intriguing new setting with more possibilities. Roll with it. This. I honestly cannot get my head around why anyone would think that returning the series to the Milky Way will make anything better. We've literally got a galaxy three times the size of MW right there in the game and MEA has sorted the intro part. The MW is done, now. The OT answered all of the big questions over its run.
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Post by Reorte on Jul 29, 2017 17:52:35 GMT
I'd like the Milky Way mess to be sorted out (in the right way of course) - I never thought that going to Andromeda was really justified in the first place. But given that they went there there's plenty to be expanded on, the problems with the game weren't down to the setting. I still think all the exploration stuff could've bene done within the Milky Way (it's easily big enough), but we're in Andromeda now too, make the most of it. Just dont' belittile the differences and the fact that it was a big undertaking from the in-universe perspective.
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Post by Steelcan on Jul 29, 2017 17:53:14 GMT
sure that's an easy solution, but Christ I hope they resist the temptation to continue this "saga" What are you pushing as an alternative? I'm having trouble keeping everyone's preferences straight. I mean ideally, head back to the Milky Way, canonize Destroy as the canonical continuity of the ME verse, take it from there.
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Post by Steelcan on Jul 29, 2017 17:54:48 GMT
sure that's an easy solution, but Christ I hope they resist the temptation to continue this "saga" Eh, I hope they do. It's got promise, and more importantly, no real plot baggage to carry on to the next one. Sure, because there wasn't much of a plot, or interesting characters to see more of, or exciting new things to explore All we got was retreads of things done better.
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Post by Steelcan on Jul 29, 2017 17:58:11 GMT
sure that's an easy solution, but Christ I hope they resist the temptation to continue this "saga" Is there really a difference? A good or bad game won't really be determined by whether or not they continue with [at least most of] the characters or setting anyway. I mean sure not directly, but I'm inspired by their handling of the setting and characters in the first one, why would I think they would do better going forwards? Unless they Red Wedding the entire cast and shove off to a new cluster
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Post by Steelcan on Jul 29, 2017 17:59:48 GMT
sure that's an easy solution, but Christ I hope they resist the temptation to continue this "saga" Eh I want them to. It be a gigantic waste if they don't. Andromeda was the giant waste from the get go
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Post by mannyray on Jul 29, 2017 18:01:10 GMT
What are you pushing as an alternative? I'm having trouble keeping everyone's preferences straight. I mean ideally, head back to the Milky Way, canonize Destroy as the canonical continuity of the ME verse, take it from there. If you canonize an ending for the ME trilogy you pretty much explosively deficate all over those games. Plus, the "well it's big enough" isn't really valid for continuing in the Milky Way. Travel was far too easy by that point to protect the trilogy ending and leave it there. I don't understand how some can't see that some group of people with means would want an "exit strategy" for humanity in case of failure. Seems pretty obvious to me. For those who lament the the bad (even by video game standards) writing in much of ME:A they can't see how staying or returning to the Milky Way is infinitely worse as a premise before there is even a story to screw up.
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Post by Steelcan on Jul 29, 2017 18:06:33 GMT
I mean ideally, head back to the Milky Way, canonize Destroy as the canonical continuity of the ME verse, take it from there. If you canonize an ending for the ME trilogy you pretty much explosively deficate all over those games. Plus, the "well it's big enough" isn't really valid for continuing in the Milky Way. Travel was far too easy by that point to protect the trilogy ending and leave it there. I don't understand how some can't see that some group of people with means would want an "exit strategy" for humanity in case of failure. Seems pretty obvious to me. For those who lament the the bad (even by video game standards) writing in much of ME:A they can't see how staying or returning to the Milky Way is infinitely worse as a premise before there is even a story to screw up. Well personally I just don't give a shit about the other endings and the people who chose them, much like I don't care about people who killed Shepard in ME2. I think there's more opportunities for going back to the Milky Way than is in Andromeda, hell it could even be a prequel or something. Just anything but more Andromeda
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 29, 2017 18:08:02 GMT
What are you pushing as an alternative? I'm having trouble keeping everyone's preferences straight. I mean ideally, head back to the Milky Way, canonize Destroy as the canonical continuity of the ME verse, take it from there. How on earth would this fix anything?
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Post by Steelcan on Jul 29, 2017 18:14:55 GMT
I mean ideally, head back to the Milky Way, canonize Destroy as the canonical continuity of the ME verse, take it from there. How on earth would this fix anything? I would be spared further interaction with Andromeda's setting, characters, enemy types, and maps
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Post by kino on Jul 29, 2017 18:18:57 GMT
What are you pushing as an alternative? I'm having trouble keeping everyone's preferences straight. I mean ideally, head back to the Milky Way, canonize Destroy as the canonical continuity of the ME verse, take it from there. I just don't see a canon ending being the answer. You go with Destroy, which I agree would be the easier solution, you're going to destroy the stories of anyone who picked Control, Synthesize and, though it was added later, Refuse. I can't see doing that as getting fans to buy into the game premise any longer. If anything it'd chase fans away and that's just throwing away money.
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Post by jaegerbane on Jul 29, 2017 18:19:24 GMT
How on earth would this fix anything? I would be spared further interaction with Andromeda's setting, characters, enemy types, and maps You could just achieve that by not playing the game.
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Post by Steelcan on Jul 29, 2017 18:20:39 GMT
I mean ideally, head back to the Milky Way, canonize Destroy as the canonical continuity of the ME verse, take it from there. I just don't see a canon ending being the answer. You go with Destroy, which I agree would be the easier solution, you're going to destroy the stories of anyone who picked Control, Synthesize and, though it was added later, Refuse. I can't see doing that as getting fans to buy into the game premise any longer. If anything it'd chase fans away and that's just throwing away money. Well tough shit for them. I know this isn't going to happen, I'm just saying what I'd like, not what is feasible
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Post by mannyray on Jul 29, 2017 18:20:49 GMT
If you canonize an ending for the ME trilogy you pretty much explosively deficate all over those games. Plus, the "well it's big enough" isn't really valid for continuing in the Milky Way. Travel was far too easy by that point to protect the trilogy ending and leave it there. I don't understand how some can't see that some group of people with means would want an "exit strategy" for humanity in case of failure. Seems pretty obvious to me. For those who lament the the bad (even by video game standards) writing in much of ME:A they can't see how staying or returning to the Milky Way is infinitely worse as a premise before there is even a story to screw up. Well personally I just don't give a shit about the other endings and the people who chose them, much like I don't care about people who killed Shepard in ME2. I think there's more opportunities for going back to the Milky Way than is in Andromeda, hell it could even be a prequel or something. Just anything but more Andromeda You haven't articulated a single reason why retreading the MW in light of the obvious pitfalls is a good idea you just want it. Maybe you hate the game but the setting is a nonissue.
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Post by Steelcan on Jul 29, 2017 18:21:19 GMT
I would be spared further interaction with Andromeda's setting, characters, enemy types, and maps You could just achieve that by not playing the game. true, but I want more Mass Effect, I just don't want more ME: Andromeda
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Post by Steelcan on Jul 29, 2017 18:22:35 GMT
Well personally I just don't give a shit about the other endings and the people who chose them, much like I don't care about people who killed Shepard in ME2. I think there's more opportunities for going back to the Milky Way than is in Andromeda, hell it could even be a prequel or something. Just anything but more Andromeda You haven't articulated a single reason why retreading the MW in light of the obvious pitfalls is a good idea you just want it. Maybe you hate the game but the setting is a nonissue. Retreading the MW is Andromeda's job already. Going back to the Milky Way at least drops all the pretenses from it. Besides, I'm not putting forth a serious idea for BioWare to follow, I'm talking about my own personal preferences.
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Post by mannyray on Jul 29, 2017 18:35:53 GMT
You haven't articulated a single reason why retreading the MW in light of the obvious pitfalls is a good idea you just want it. Maybe you hate the game but the setting is a nonissue. Retreading the MW is Andromeda's job already. Going back to the Milky Way at least drops all the pretenses from it. Besides, I'm not putting forth a serious idea for BioWare to follow, I'm talking about my own personal preferences. Fair enough and I agree the Nexus, among other things are elements redone for this spinoff, but it's a lousy premise to keep the series in the Milky Way for myriad reasons above, and your preferences for setting would be part of a game that would have been a true financial disaster, in my opinion. It's bad writing. Even worse than the Nickelodeon tween romance arcs in ME:A
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