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Post by cypherj on Jul 25, 2017 17:25:53 GMT
But to be fair, they always looked the same. You didn't have multiple games with unique Hanar and then all of a sudden have them looking all the same. (Shrug) It's also fair to say that they rebuilt all assets from scratch in the new engine. And that there are no multiple alien head morphs for any of the alien races. Gotta be reasons. I'm just saying that's why people noticed it more. Also, Hanar have never been one of the main races, or had main characters in the game. In ME:A your doctor and the reporter you're talking to are the same person, so it stands out a lot more.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 17:49:45 GMT
Did you notice that you have only one quote from ME1 and most are from ME2 - "The council can kiss my ass." and then you mention the action of hanging up on the council. I would also add that Shepard can say "hold off Joker. We're not sacrificing humans to save the council". excellent Or just before choosing Udina as councilor, Shepard can say "when I saw an opportunity to get rid of the council, I took it". excellent. Shepard has other renegade quotes in the game. I absolutely agree... there are more examples of "renegade" lines in ME1 than were cited. What I was implying, however, is that more people seem to really remember the renegade moments of ME2 as opposed to ME1. There are more "renegade" lines in ME:A than the two instances I cites as well. Overall, I do agree, one could be more renegade in ME1 with Shepard than they can be renegade with Ryder in ME:A1. Still, Ryder's personality can be allowed to shift in ME:A2, if that's what Bioware decides to put into that story and I can see several possible story directions they might take that would logically cause such a personality shift in Ryder. It's not necessary to just eliminate Ryder as a character because he can be further shaped "towards the dark side" by events in any number of sequels.
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Post by fchopin on Jul 25, 2017 18:02:13 GMT
I would not be surprised (if we get another Mass Effect game) if they continue with the destroy ending as cannon from ME3 let’s say 100 years after so we stay in the Milky Way with a new option for a PC to choose a different race and not just human. BioWare insists Mass Effect is a human story. We will not be able to play as non-human in a main game series, not until total change of leadership in BioWare or some other studio gets to make an ME game. I'm sorry, but it's not happening with current BioWare mentality over Mass Effect. I am fine with just human but things change with time so i would not rule it out.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 25, 2017 18:06:53 GMT
BioWare insists Mass Effect is a human story. We will not be able to play as non-human in a main game series, not until total change of leadership in BioWare or some other studio gets to make an ME game. I'm sorry, but it's not happening with current BioWare mentality over Mass Effect. I am fine with just human but things change with time so i would not rule it out. Not with Mass Effect.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 20:15:42 GMT
Maybe they'll leave Ryder and create another protagonist in Andromeda. That can be 5 to 10 years from now though. I actually thought of this even before ME:A was released. But instead of 5 to 10 years, it's 100 to 150 years difference. I was referring to another ME game being released when I said it can be 5 to 10 years from now. Sure, 100 to 150 years after Ryder, why not? Sounds good enough to me.
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Post by glockwheeler on Jul 25, 2017 20:26:31 GMT
Anyone else think that, with the very tepid reaction by most ME fans and the general gaming population/media, it is quite possible that for the next Mass Effect title to be set back in the Milky Way? Before Andromeda released, I was fairly confident that we'd see several games set in the Andromeda galaxy, telling the story of the Ryder family as they seek to find a new home for the Citadel races. But with the unexpectedly low sales and review scores, everything seems to have changed on Biowares end. We still don't know for sure, but it seems as though Montreal has been downsized from a full studio and repurposed as a supplemental team once again. I think it is quite possible Bioware may play it safe on their end, by releasing a game set in the more traditional and well-liked setting of the Milky Way. That way, they can use tried and true settings, fan favorite characters and races, and iconic elements from the trilogy (ME relays, etc.) to win back hardcore fans. What do y'all think? My guess is that they will just pretend Andromeda never happened, And do a sequel set in the Milky way. I certainly hope so.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 25, 2017 20:36:20 GMT
I absolutely agree... there are more examples of "renegade" lines in ME1 than were cited. What I was implying, however, is that more people seem to really remember the renegade moments of ME2 as opposed to ME1. I would guess its because of the renegade interrupts Not sure if I can see Ryder going to the dark side, but I do see her/him having a more firmer tone than the lighthearted tone seen in the game. If that happens, what effect will it have on other characters in the game?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2017 20:43:05 GMT
I absolutely agree... there are more examples of "renegade" lines in ME1 than were cited. What I was implying, however, is that more people seem to really remember the renegade moments of ME2 as opposed to ME1. I would guess its because of the renegade interrupts Not sure if I can see Ryder going to the dark side, but I do see her/him having a more firmer tone than the lighthearted tone seen in the game. If that happens, what effect will it have on other characters in the game? Potentially losing one to two of them... joining up with the exiles??? There are lots of different ways, Bioware could take it.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 25, 2017 21:23:42 GMT
Anyone else think that, with the very tepid reaction by most ME fans and the general gaming population/media, it is quite possible that for the next Mass Effect title to be set back in the Milky Way? Before Andromeda released, I was fairly confident that we'd see several games set in the Andromeda galaxy, telling the story of the Ryder family as they seek to find a new home for the Citadel races. But with the unexpectedly low sales and review scores, everything seems to have changed on Biowares end. We still don't know for sure, but it seems as though Montreal has been downsized from a full studio and repurposed as a supplemental team once again. I think it is quite possible Bioware may play it safe on their end, by releasing a game set in the more traditional and well-liked setting of the Milky Way. That way, they can use tried and true settings, fan favorite characters and races, and iconic elements from the trilogy (ME relays, etc.) to win back hardcore fans. What do y'all think? I hope not. I want to see the series move forwards not backwards. ME:A was a step forward, and I love the game and want to see more of the Andromeda galaxy not the safe boring old MW galaxy that I've seen before, other than a remaster or remake of the MET, I see no reason to go back to the MW just because a bunch of shit gargling fuckwits on Metacritic and Youtube that didn't even play ME:A and are still butthurt that they didn't get their favorite ME3 ending canonized.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Jul 25, 2017 21:31:21 GMT
Andromeda is not a reboot. Soft or otherwise from any of the commonly accepted definitions I've heard. ME:A is spin-off/sequel to the MET, much like how Star Trek: The Next Generation was a spin-off/sequel to the original Star Trek TV show.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Jul 26, 2017 14:03:09 GMT
Andromeda is not a reboot. Soft or otherwise from any of the commonly accepted definitions I've heard. ME:A is spin-off/sequel to the MET, much like how Star Trek: The Next Generation was a spin-off/sequel to the original Star Trek TV show. Exactly I kind of think of MEA as kind of Mass Effect the Next generation
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Post by Iakus on Jul 26, 2017 14:41:59 GMT
I would not be surprised (if we get another Mass Effect game) if they continue with the destroy ending as cannon from ME3 let’s say 100 years after so we stay in the Milky Way with a new option for a PC to choose a different race and not just human. BioWare insists Mass Effect is a human story. We will not be able to play as non-human in a main game series, not until total change of leadership in BioWare or some other studio gets to make an ME game. I'm sorry, but it's not happening with current BioWare mentality over Mass Effect. Even if we did, the experience would just be "human with a funny-shaped head"
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Post by Iakus on Jul 26, 2017 14:43:01 GMT
My guess is that they will just pretend Andromeda never happened, And do a sequel set in the Milky way. I certainly hope so. AS long as we can pretend ME3 never happened either...
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Post by themikefest on Jul 26, 2017 15:10:29 GMT
AS long as we can pretend ME3 never happened either... Its more like ME1/2 never happened since ME3 is the best place to start playing a trilogy
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Post by glockwheeler on Jul 26, 2017 18:56:30 GMT
AS long as we can pretend ME3 never happened either... I hear ya. I liked ME3, with the exception of the last ten minutes or so, but I won't go into that.
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Post by Arcian on Jul 26, 2017 19:22:43 GMT
Not likely. Too many issues with going back other than a prequel story. There are zero issues with going back. The endings can be ignored in favor of something new that doesn't destroy the galaxy. Yes, it will be a retcon, but it will be a retcon of something shitty into something good that BioWare can work with. They already retconned the fuck out of the Trilogy story to enable Andromeda's retarded intergalactic voyage anyway.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 26, 2017 20:28:45 GMT
Not likely. Too many issues with going back other than a prequel story. There are zero issues with going back. The endings can be ignored in favor of something new that doesn't destroy the galaxy. Yes, it will be a retcon, but it will be a retcon of something shitty into something good that BioWare can work with. They already retconned the fuck out of the Trilogy story to enable Andromeda's retarded intergalactic voyage anyway. That's like me saying that there are zero issues going back because they can just canonize Renegade Control. (Hey, it comes with a built-in enemy in Shepard; they can rip off God Emperor of Dune and have it want us to destroy it.)
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Post by kino on Jul 26, 2017 20:35:09 GMT
There are zero issues with going back. The endings can be ignored in favor of something new that doesn't destroy the galaxy. Yes, it will be a retcon, but it will be a retcon of something shitty into something good that BioWare can work with. They already retconned the fuck out of the Trilogy story to enable Andromeda's retarded intergalactic voyage anyway. That's like me saying that there are zero issues going back because they can just canonize Renegade Control. (Hey, it comes with a built-in enemy in Shepard; they can rip off God Emoeror if Dune and have it want us to destroy it.) It'd be even better if they canonized Refuse.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 26, 2017 20:38:12 GMT
There you go. Everything works if we just ignore everyone it doesn't work for.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 22:18:38 GMT
There you go. Everything works if we just ignore everyone it doesn't work for. I think I'm going to do up a plaque with that saying and put it up on my wall. Likes 10X.
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Post by fchopin on Jul 26, 2017 22:24:44 GMT
That's like me saying that there are zero issues going back because they can just canonize Renegade Control. (Hey, it comes with a built-in enemy in Shepard; they can rip off God Emoeror if Dune and have it want us to destroy it.) It'd be even better if they canonized Refuse. What do you mean? All humans die and we play a different race in 50000 years?
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Post by Arcian on Jul 26, 2017 22:36:14 GMT
There are zero issues with going back. The endings can be ignored in favor of something new that doesn't destroy the galaxy. Yes, it will be a retcon, but it will be a retcon of something shitty into something good that BioWare can work with. They already retconned the fuck out of the Trilogy story to enable Andromeda's retarded intergalactic voyage anyway. That's like me saying that there are zero issues going back because they can just canonize Renegade Control. (Hey, it comes with a built-in enemy in Shepard; they can rip off God Emperor of Dune and have it want us to destroy it.) Their design philosophy for Mass Effect has always been that player choice isn't canon. It is canon that the Reapers were defeated at the end of ME3, but how they were defeated is not canon, other than that they were defeated using the Crucible. And since a hypothetical new game wouldn't import save data from the trilogy, that means the ending choices will be irrelevant for the new story unless BioWare actively decides to make them relevant by referencing them in the new game. It's completely absurd how BioWare fans have convinced themselves that the endings can't be touched.
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Post by 10k on Jul 26, 2017 22:49:01 GMT
I'm personally hoping for a remaster of the original trilogy and then a continuation of Shepard's story. Even if that means making destroy canon. Ryder was boring, and Andromeda was boring. Every squad mate was in one of two categories. They were either outshined by their counterparts from the original trilogy (i.e. Cora, Drack, peebee, vetra) or they were duller than watching paint dry (i.e. Liam).
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Post by vonuber on Jul 26, 2017 22:59:50 GMT
I'm personally hoping for a remaster of the original trilogy and then a continuation of Shepard's story. Even if that means making destroy canon. Ryder was boring, and Andromeda was boring. Every squad mate was in one of two categories. They were either outshined by their counterparts from the original trilogy (i.e. Cora, Drack, peebee, vetra) or they were duller than watching paint dry (i.e. Liam). Well I guess it takes all sorts to make the world; I could not think of anything more boring than replaying the entire trilogy yet again but with higher res textures (which I've had through mods anyway) and then seeing the same characters yet again in further games after 100+ hours of them already. Just imagine all the hilarious times we could hear Garrus talk about calibrations! That would be so fresh and new!
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 26, 2017 23:35:48 GMT
It's completely absurd how BioWare fans have convinced themselves that the endings can't be touched. In fairness, BioWare themselves kinda bolstered that sentiment.
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