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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2017 23:45:36 GMT
It's completely absurd how BioWare fans have convinced themselves that the endings can't be touched. In fairness, BioWare themselves kinda bolstered that sentiment. ... by simply refusing time and again to go back to that point and create a direct sequel to the Trilogy. It always could be done... but the bottom line message here has been that Bioware itself does not want to do that... despite how long you (i.e. Arcian) and others have berated them to try to force them to do that. As much as you (i.e. Arcian) want to blame fans who have merely stated their preferences for not having the endings changed, it's really Bioware itself who has been putting up the resistance to changing them. (Sorry, KaiserShep for accidentally flipping into second person.)
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Post by themikefest on Jul 27, 2017 0:00:47 GMT
Refuse could work. Commander dumba** refuses to use the microphone. After a few minutes, a shuttle comes by to see what's going on. Commander dumba** plays stupid explaining that he/she has no idea how to get it to work. Shepard gets back to the Normandy to talk with holo-Hackett. Hackett explains to Shepard that for the last few years, there has been a top secret project on Ilos to reuse the facility to put people in cryo. Shepard and crew head there. The edibot keeps an eye on the pods as everyone sleeps. They wake up however far in the future.
They hop in the Normandy to visit all the homeworlds. They're at a lost for words at what they see. Eventually they come across a new species. I will call them the Unga Bunga's. Shepard explains how they ended up there and that they have plans that could prevent a war with giant robots called reapers.
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Post by alanc9 on Jul 27, 2017 0:05:18 GMT
That's like me saying that there are zero issues going back because they can just canonize Renegade Control. (Hey, it comes with a built-in enemy in Shepard; they can rip off God Emperor of Dune and have it want us to destroy it.) Their design philosophy for Mass Effect has always been that player choice isn't canon. It is canon that the Reapers were defeated at the end of ME3, but how they were defeated is not canon, other than that they were defeated using the Crucible. And since a hypothetical new game wouldn't import save data from the trilogy, that means the ending choices will be irrelevant for the new story unless BioWare actively decides to make them relevant by referencing them in the new game. It's completely absurd how BioWare fans have convinced themselves that the endings can't be touched. OK. So you're down with Renegade Control too|?
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Post by Arcian on Jul 27, 2017 0:18:39 GMT
It's completely absurd how BioWare fans have convinced themselves that the endings can't be touched. In fairness, BioWare themselves kinda bolstered that sentiment. Yeah. That's about half of the reason I despise Andromeda. It's a testament that the integrity of the ME3 endings was more important than the Milky Way storyline continuing after the Reaper War.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 27, 2017 0:27:29 GMT
Their design philosophy for Mass Effect has always been that player choice isn't canon. It is canon that the Reapers were defeated at the end of ME3, but how they were defeated is not canon, other than that they were defeated using the Crucible. And since a hypothetical new game wouldn't import save data from the trilogy, that means the ending choices will be irrelevant for the new story unless BioWare actively decides to make them relevant by referencing them in the new game. It's completely absurd how BioWare fans have convinced themselves that the endings can't be touched. OK. So you're down with Renegade Control too|? Here's another suggestion... Bioware goes with the ME3 ending they allegedly always preferred - Synthesis. The Andromeda Initiative is designed by post-synthesis Milky Way species whose improved intelligence enabled them to solve all of the previous issues with inter-galactic travel. They seek to explore because they are bored with the utopian existence that has become the Milky Way. Since the eyes were a mess anyways, Bioware fixes their animations by just paints all the eyes in ME:A green, retools a few lines and voila... ME:A becomes a direct sequel to ME:3. Along for the journey are several synthecized Reapers who set about building Mass Effect Relays throughout the Andromeda Galaxy as the synthecized Milky Way species set about waging war on the non-synthecized Andromeda organic lifeforms. Having set up Fast Travel points between the two galaxies, the player can choose to play in either one (This is, of course, sarcasm - just in case I have to say it).
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 27, 2017 0:36:29 GMT
In fairness, BioWare themselves kinda bolstered that sentiment. Yeah. That's about half of the reason I despise Andromeda. It's a testament that the integrity of the ME3 endings was more important than the Milky Way storyline continuing after the Reaper War. What storyline? Everyone knows the galaxy is basically glowing green and everyone is happy as a pig in shit anyhow. Harbinger even delivers toys for turians.
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Post by Arcian on Jul 27, 2017 0:44:00 GMT
Their design philosophy for Mass Effect has always been that player choice isn't canon. It is canon that the Reapers were defeated at the end of ME3, but how they were defeated is not canon, other than that they were defeated using the Crucible. And since a hypothetical new game wouldn't import save data from the trilogy, that means the ending choices will be irrelevant for the new story unless BioWare actively decides to make them relevant by referencing them in the new game. It's completely absurd how BioWare fans have convinced themselves that the endings can't be touched. OK. So you're down with Renegade Control too|? Not at all, but if that's where BioWare wants to go (violating their own design philosophy in the process), then that's where they'll go. Same as they did with Andromeda's stupendously idiotic, lore-breaking nonsense premise. The point is that the barriers to a ME3 sequel that a lot of fans on the BSN seems to believe exists, doesn't. Super MAC could wake up tomorrow and go "Fuck it, let's toss my dumbass endings in the garbage and go with something generic and less galaxy-altering so we can salvage the Milky Way as a setting for future games." and build an entirely new story from there. He could just as well toss their design philosophy in the trash and canonize Synthesis. There are no physical laws preventing the development of a ME3 sequel. That's just a myth invented by the BSN hivemind.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 27, 2017 0:44:10 GMT
I'm personally hoping for a remaster of the original trilogy and then a continuation of Shepard's story. Even if that means making destroy canon. Ryder was boring, and Andromeda was boring. Every squad mate was in one of two categories. They were either outshined by their counterparts from the original trilogy (i.e. Cora, Drack, peebee, vetra) or they were duller than watching paint dry (i.e. Liam). Well I guess it takes all sorts to make the world; I could not think of anything more boring than replaying the entire trilogy yet again but with higher res textures (which I've had through mods anyway) and then seeing the same characters yet again in further games after 100+ hours of them already. Just imagine all the hilarious times we could hear Garrus talk about calibrations! That would be so fresh and new! Yes let's please leave the OT and MW alone stick to Andromeda.
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Post by Arcian on Jul 27, 2017 0:49:13 GMT
OK. So you're down with Renegade Control too|? Here's another suggestion... Bioware goes with the ME3 ending they allegedly always preferred - Synthesis. The Andromeda Initiative is designed by post-synthesis Milky Way species whose improved intelligence enabled them to solve all of the previous issues with inter-galactic travel. They seek to explore because they are bored with the utopian existence that has become the Milky Way. Since the eyes were a mess anyways, Bioware fixes their animations by just paints all the eyes in ME:A green, retools a few lines and voila... ME:A becomes a direct sequel to ME:3. Along for the journey are several synthecized Reapers who set about building Mass Effect Relays throughout the Andromeda Galaxy as the synthecized Milky Way species set about waging war on the non-synthecized Andromeda organic lifeforms. Having set up Fast Travel points between the two galaxies, the player can choose to play in either one (This is, of course, sarcasm - just in case I have to say it). Sarcasm or not, the problem with using Synthesis as a template for a new game is that it's utterly conflict-free. A more likely scenario is that the Synthesis seen in the ME3 ending is not the final "singularity state" of synthesis, but rather the first step, and that the ME3 Synthesis sequel would be about the conflict in attaining further steps in the evolution of Synthesis. Of course, Synthesis is completely retarded and would make for an even dumber premise than Andromeda's. But if they did it, they would have to introduce some kind of internal or external conflict or there wouldn't be a story. In fairness, BioWare themselves kinda bolstered that sentiment. ... by simply refusing time and again to go back to that point and create a direct sequel to the Trilogy. It always could be done... but the bottom line message here has been that Bioware itself does not want to do that... despite how long you (i.e. Arcian) and others have berated them to try to force them to do that. As much as you (i.e. Arcian) want to blame fans who have merely stated their preferences for not having the endings changed, it's really Bioware itself who has been putting up the resistance to changing them. (Sorry, KaiserShep for accidentally flipping into second person.) I have questioned people's support of BioWare's moronic actions but I have never actually blamed them for BioWare's moronic actions. The people who liked the endings are a tiny majority in an ocean of people who hated them. I'm fine with people disagreeing with me but misrepresenting the direction of someone's anger is considered a dick move in bird culture.
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Post by Seera1024 on Jul 27, 2017 0:52:53 GMT
In fairness, BioWare themselves kinda bolstered that sentiment. Yeah. That's about half of the reason I despise Andromeda. It's a testament that the integrity of the ME3 endings was more important than the Milky Way storyline continuing after the Reaper War. The thing is, I wouldn't play the game you want unless they released a free DLC for ME3 that allows for the change of the current multiple endings to 1 ending and allows me to import my save. So that my choices matter. And I don't buy games I know I won't play. And honestly, I hold a company in more esteem if they value the integrity of their game's lore (no matter how weak it is at parts) more continuing a story that's come to a good ending point. The latter would honestly feel like to me just milking a dead horse and a cash grab.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 27, 2017 1:00:03 GMT
There are no physical laws preventing the development of a ME3 sequel. That's just a myth invented by the BSN hivemind. Well, "We don't wanna" is about as good a law as any when it comes to slapping together more fiction.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 27, 2017 1:03:06 GMT
There are no physical laws preventing the development of a ME3 sequel. That's just a myth invented by the BSN hivemind. Well, "We don't wanna" is about as good a law as any when it comes to slapping together more fiction. Yup. We don't wanna go back mommy!!!!!! 😁
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Post by Arcian on Jul 27, 2017 1:11:56 GMT
Yeah. That's about half of the reason I despise Andromeda. It's a testament that the integrity of the ME3 endings was more important than the Milky Way storyline continuing after the Reaper War. The thing is, I wouldn't play the game you want unless they released a free DLC for ME3 that allows for the change of the current multiple endings to 1 ending and allows me to import my save. So that my choices matter. Your choices mattered in the trilogy. They don't matter in the new game because it's a new game. I don't want to preserve the choices of the Milky Way, I want to preserve the Milky Way itself. How much fun would a Dragon Age game be if they torched Thedas and moved to a new chunk of rock touched by the Maker? Are you aware that they had to violate the lore of the trilogy to enable Andromeda's intergalactic journey? That train has already sailed, so to speak. Any sequel to ME3 would be thematically and narratively removed from the original trilogy. The trilogy was a struggle against the Reapers, a WW2 in Space if you will. A sequel would be concerned about what would happen to the Milky Way during and after rebuilding. What will the short-term and long-term consequences of a broken cycle be? How will the galaxy rebuild? Which race or nation will rise out of the ashes to assert their power over the Milky Way? Will the Reapers be proven correct in their assertion that the galaxy will consume itself in war without their guiding influence? You've suddenly got a wild and untamed galaxy (due to the Mass Relays exploding) waiting to be rediscovered. There's so much potential in such a Milky Way story. Instead we got "Lel gotta go to Andromeda for no immediately apparent reason and breathe life back into some half-dead rocks!"
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Post by Seera1024 on Jul 27, 2017 1:28:28 GMT
The thing is, I wouldn't play the game you want unless they released a free DLC for ME3 that allows for the change of the current multiple endings to 1 ending and allows me to import my save. So that my choices matter. Your choices mattered in the trilogy. They don't matter in the new game because it's a new game. I don't want to preserve the choices of the Milky Way, I want to preserve the Milky Way itself. How much fun would a Dragon Age game be if they torched Thedas and moved to a new chunk of rock touched by the Maker? Are you aware that they had to violate the lore of the trilogy to enable Andromeda's intergalactic journey? That train has already sailed, so to speak. Any sequel to ME3 would be thematically and narratively removed from the original trilogy. The trilogy was a struggle against the Reapers, a WW2 in Space if you will. A sequel would be concerned about what would happen to the Milky Way during and after rebuilding. What will the short-term and long-term consequences of a broken cycle be? How will the galaxy rebuild? Which race or nation will rise out of the ashes to assert their power over the Milky Way? Will the Reapers be proven correct in their assertion that the galaxy will consume itself in war without their guiding influence? You've suddenly got a wild and untamed galaxy (due to the Mass Relays exploding) waiting to be rediscovered. There's so much potential in such a Milky Way story. Instead we got "Lel gotta go to Andromeda for no immediately apparent reason and breathe life back into some half-dead rocks!" Please actually read what I said. I said I would not buy that game UNLESS my choices in the MET mattered. And the only for your game to be able to do that is if they release a DLC for ME3 to do that. And it would need to be free and not attached to buying the new game. I can headcannon the major point in Andromeda: the drives were pitched to the ship makers but most didn't want to use them for their major ships because the drives were too untested and there was no need for them in the MET due to the relays (which were still usable during the reaper war). Your idea takes player decisions and erases them and says: sorry you're choices in the MET which preceded these games don't matter, you get to play out decisions made by our story writers for what happened during the MET. No thank you. Now, I wouldn't say no to a set of short games that are MET - AU's. Take a certain set of conditions and play a Leviathan or Omega or Lair of the Shadow Broker, or Arrival length story. Then the choices they made could change. Cure genophage in one, pretend to in another. Save the Geth in one and save the Quarians in another. With the player character allowed to choose gender and who they romanced of involved companions if any (of course some of them may be missing due to choices assumed). But a whole game that's set immediately after the MET that ignores the choices that I made? Nope.
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 27, 2017 1:30:55 GMT
How much fun would a Dragon Age game be if they torched Thedas and moved to a new chunk of rock touched by the Maker? Can't lie. I'd pay to see that. Perhaps not the actual torching part, but the new chunk of rock part could be interesting. I guess it would suck if we did that before actually seeing the parts of Thedas we only hear about but never visit.
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Post by rapscallioness on Jul 27, 2017 1:37:57 GMT
I would love to go back to the MW. New PC. New game. Post Reaper invasion when everything is still a friggin shitshow.
And I actually like MEA, but if it came down to either, or, I'd pick MW.
edit: oh, but is it likely? who knows. who knows anything about what they're doing, or thinking right now.
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Post by kino on Jul 27, 2017 1:40:15 GMT
It'd be even better if they canonized Refuse. What do you mean? All humans die and we play a different race in 50000 years? Heh. Yes. We would have to play as Yahg. The Yahg Shepard. HAH! Man, that'd be epic. Detractors are unhappy now? Ah, geez, heads would explode like a scene from Scanners.
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Post by Arcian on Jul 27, 2017 2:21:21 GMT
I would love to go back to the MW. New PC. New game. Post Reaper invasion when everything is still a friggin shitshow. And I actually like MEA, but if it came down to either, or, I'd pick MW. edit: oh, but is it likely? who knows. who knows anything about what they're doing, or thinking right now. Fallout Effect.
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Post by themikefest on Jul 27, 2017 2:32:28 GMT
How much fun would a Dragon Age game be if they torched Thedas and moved to a new chunk of rock touched by the Maker? That might happen if Solas succeeds in the next game. Looking forward to seeing what happens
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 27, 2017 2:43:20 GMT
What do you mean? All humans die and we play a different race in 50000 years? Heh. Yes. We would have to play as Yahg. The Yahg Shepard. HAH! Man, that'd be epic. Detractors are unhappy now? Ah, geez, heads would explode like a scene from Scanners. I'd rather play as Harbinger. "You feel this don't you." "We are your salvation through destruction.." "This hurts you." 😂😁
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Post by rapscallioness on Jul 27, 2017 2:44:45 GMT
I would love to go back to the MW. New PC. New game. Post Reaper invasion when everything is still a friggin shitshow. And I actually like MEA, but if it came down to either, or, I'd pick MW. edit: oh, but is it likely? who knows. who knows anything about what they're doing, or thinking right now. Fallout Effect. Oh, yeah. The whole post apocalyptic genre. But then I like FO so I'd be good with that. edit: DAI, imo, was an apocalyptic storyline, although I didn't feel that sense of devastation and upheaval was communicated well.
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Post by kino on Jul 27, 2017 2:48:43 GMT
Heh. Yes. We would have to play as Yahg. The Yahg Shepard. HAH! Man, that'd be epic. Detractors are unhappy now? Ah, geez, heads would explode like a scene from Scanners. I'd rather play as Harbinger. "You feel this don't you." "We are your salvation through destruction.." "This hurts you." 😂😁 Gods above, that would be amazing. I would totally be down with that.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 27, 2017 2:49:34 GMT
Oh, yeah. The whole post apocalyptic genre. But then I like FO so I'd be good with that. edit: DAI, imo, was an apocalyptic storyline, although I didn't feel that sense of devastation and upheaval was communicated well. Post Apocalyptic ME? Now I love Fallout but HELL NO!!!!
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 27, 2017 2:53:58 GMT
I'd rather play as Harbinger. "You feel this don't you." "We are your salvation through destruction.." "This hurts you." 😂😁 Gods above, that would be amazing. I would totally be down with that. I can see it now. Paragon Harby: "This hurts You." * Fires laser * Renegade Harby: "This hurts you." *Impales you on spike, then fires laser*
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Post by KaiserShep on Jul 27, 2017 2:54:31 GMT
I would love to go back to the MW. New PC. New game. Post Reaper invasion when everything is still a friggin shitshow. And I actually like MEA, but if it came down to either, or, I'd pick MW. edit: oh, but is it likely? who knows. who knows anything about what they're doing, or thinking right now. Fallout Effect. I could get on board with that. The galaxy would certainly feel a whole lot bigger.
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