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Post by setokaiba on Jul 29, 2017 23:30:01 GMT
The content in the game is intended for all players, and compared to the other characters with gender gated romances (Cassandra, Sera and Blackwall), Dorian's was positioned later in the game, and was more misleading in terms of the potential for success with the gated gender. What's so "god forbid" about making gay romances on the equal footing in their presentation with the straight ones? It's not particularly fun to flirt, then find out it's not going to work, then reroll. From how late Dorian came in the game, how important he is in the plot, and how great of a char he was, it would have been better if his relationship was open to both genders, and one of the earlier males companions were gender gated. Initially, they did the same with Jaal, but luckily, thy amended it, opening the romance with a plot-important, appealing character who joins late in the game to both genders. Yeah, all players, including gay ones. We had to wait 14 years (since BG2 and the first romances) to get a romanceable gay companion in a BW game. It's particularly great that we got to romance a story relevant character. That is on equal footing with the straight romances. Your insinuation that homosexuality should be reserved for less awesome and less plot relevant characters is just insulting. We've been ignored for a long time, it's time we also get some characters others can be envious of. Again, Dorian should have turned down the flirting, that was their mistake. Making him bi would not have been better. I've heard the same about Sam in ME3, and I'd really like straight people to stop trying to take away the very little gay representation we have in games. What are you talking about? If every romance option is bi nothing is getting taken away from anyone but instead they adding a option that wasn't there. If Suvi turned bi right now in a patch what would change? Suvi can still be romanced by Female Ryder just like Jaal can be but none of you complained they was taking something away from straight woman. You'll still get your representations, which is stupid in the first place because video games are an art and they should be whatever the artist wants it to be not pander to any group so they can feel better about themselves. But that's different topic. Bottom line is making everyone bi takes nothing away from anyone you can still pretend that person is gay, straight, or bi if you want to. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Jul 29, 2017 23:43:32 GMT
Yeah, all players, including gay ones. We had to wait 14 years (since BG2 and the first romances) to get a romanceable gay companion in a BW game. It's particularly great that we got to romance a story relevant character. That is on equal footing with the straight romances. Your insinuation that homosexuality should be reserved for less awesome and less plot relevant characters is just insulting. We've been ignored for a long time, it's time we also get some characters others can be envious of. Again, Dorian should have turned down the flirting, that was their mistake. Making him bi would not have been better. I've heard the same about Sam in ME3, and I'd really like straight people to stop trying to take away the very little gay representation we have in games. What are you talking about? If every romance option is bi nothing is getting taken away from anyone but instead they adding a option that wasn't there. If Suvi turned bi right now in a patch what would change? Suvi can still be romanced by Female Ryder just like Jaal can be but none of you complained they was taking something away from straight woman. You'll still get your representations, which is stupid in the first place because video games are an art and they should be whatever the artist wants it to be not pander to any group so they can feel better about themselves. But that's different topic. Bottom line is making everyone bi takes nothing away from anyone you can still pretend that person is gay, straight, or bi if you want to. Bi characters are great, but they should not be stand ins for gay and lesbian characters. Bi representation is not the same thing as gay representation, because if you haven't noticed, gay != bi. Especially since most bi characters we had predominantly display opposite-sex attraction making the bi representation pretty invisible, unless you actively search it out. Personally I could do with less games pandering to straight people. Representation only seems stupid, when you never had to go without. |
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Jul 30, 2017 0:17:39 GMT
She's the worst character in the game IMO. I'd pay money for a mod to change her shitty voice to something normal. Her shitty voice is also known as a Scottish accent. Look it up, it's a real country with actual people and everything. I'm well aware of that. I don't like her voice. I hated it in Fallout and I hate it even more in MEA. So spare me the crybaby bitch routine. |
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Post by mannyray on Jul 30, 2017 0:31:01 GMT
Her shitty voice is also known as a Scottish accent. Look it up, it's a real country with actual people and everything. I'm well aware of that. I don't like her voice. I hated it in Fallout and I hate it even more in MEA. So spare me the crybaby bitch routine. Actually you seem more upset about Suvi's accent, going so far to be inflammatory by calling it abnormal. So who is crying, really? |
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Post by Lorn on Jul 30, 2017 0:34:26 GMT
What are you talking about? If every romance option is bi nothing is getting taken away from anyone but instead they adding a option that wasn't there. If Suvi turned bi right now in a patch what would change? Suvi can still be romanced by Female Ryder just like Jaal can be but none of you complained they was taking something away from straight woman. You'll still get your representations, which is stupid in the first place because video games are an art and they should be whatever the artist wants it to be not pander to any group so they can feel better about themselves. But that's different topic. Bottom line is making everyone bi takes nothing away from anyone you can still pretend that person is gay, straight, or bi if you want to. Bi characters are great, but they should not be stand ins for gay and lesbian characters. Bi representation is not the same thing as gay representation, because if you haven't noticed, gay != bi. Especially since most bi characters we had predominantly display opposite-sex attraction making the bi representation pretty invisible, unless you actively search it out. Personally I could do with less games pandering to straight people. Representation only seems stupid, when you never had to go without. Poor bisexual people, they get hated on by teh evil straightz as well as gays...  |
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Post by setokaiba on Jul 30, 2017 0:39:57 GMT
What are you talking about? If every romance option is bi nothing is getting taken away from anyone but instead they adding a option that wasn't there. If Suvi turned bi right now in a patch what would change? Suvi can still be romanced by Female Ryder just like Jaal can be but none of you complained they was taking something away from straight woman. You'll still get your representations, which is stupid in the first place because video games are an art and they should be whatever the artist wants it to be not pander to any group so they can feel better about themselves. But that's different topic. Bottom line is making everyone bi takes nothing away from anyone you can still pretend that person is gay, straight, or bi if you want to. Bi characters are great, but they should not be stand ins for gay and lesbian characters. Bi representation is not the same thing as gay representation, because if you haven't noticed, gay != bi. Especially since most bi characters we had predominantly display opposite-sex attraction making the bi representation pretty invisible, unless you actively search it out. Personally I could do with less games pandering to straight people. Representation only seems stupid, when you never had to go without. My point is that you take nothing away if every romance option is bi. The character is just as straight as he is gay and I'm fine with that. I don't care if my someone in a video game only like woman or nice butts. Please don't use the "straight white male" card on a straight black male lol. |
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Post by setokaiba on Jul 30, 2017 0:45:17 GMT
Bi characters are great, but they should not be stand ins for gay and lesbian characters. Bi representation is not the same thing as gay representation, because if you haven't noticed, gay != bi. Especially since most bi characters we had predominantly display opposite-sex attraction making the bi representation pretty invisible, unless you actively search it out. Personally I could do with less games pandering to straight people. Representation only seems stupid, when you never had to go without. Poor bisexual people, they get hated on by teh evil straightz as well as gays... That's what those scumbags deserves. Sitting on their fence liking both men and women instead of picking a side like everyone else.  |
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Post by DragonRacer on Jul 30, 2017 0:48:44 GMT
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Post by Rouccoco on Jul 30, 2017 0:52:34 GMT
The character is just as straight as he is gay and I'm fine with that. That's not how bisexuality works. And please don't tell me, what representation is and isn't worthy. |
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Post by Lorn on Jul 30, 2017 0:53:23 GMT
The character is just as straight as he is gay and I'm fine with that. And please don't tell me, what representation is and isn't worthy. Please, enlighten us novices about how bisexuality works oh great senpai... |
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Post by mannyray on Jul 30, 2017 0:56:29 GMT
Bi characters are great, but they should not be stand ins for gay and lesbian characters. Bi representation is not the same thing as gay representation, because if you haven't noticed, gay != bi. Especially since most bi characters we had predominantly display opposite-sex attraction making the bi representation pretty invisible, unless you actively search it out. Personally I could do with less games pandering to straight people. Representation only seems stupid, when you never had to go without. My point is that you take nothing away if every romance option is bi. The character is just as straight as he is gay and I'm fine with that. I don't care if my someone in a video game only like woman or nice butts. Please don't use the "straight white male" card on a straight black male lol. One interesting thing in SWTOR is any companion character you get that was implemented after the original ones you picked up with your class missions was romanceable by either. The player decided if the comp was gay or straight. It's an equitable way to do it, although for immersion I've preferred the npc's preference is already decided. It makes the player feel like their npc companion is more real in one aspect. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Jul 30, 2017 0:56:32 GMT
But you see, that's not how supply and demand works. Video games are a product, not your personal soapbox. There was enough demand for LGBT characters in BW games, and there is enough demand for more and more games, both indie and mainstream, to include gay characters. LGBT people are paying customers too. |
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Post by fiannawolf on Jul 30, 2017 0:57:11 GMT
Yes, because its so very kind of people to assume that someone who is bi is automatically so very "selfish" for not committing to one gender or the other. Just maybe...perhaps...they haven't met the person they want to be with yet. *shocking* I know.
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Post by Rouccoco on Jul 30, 2017 1:00:49 GMT
That's not how bisexuality works.And please don't tell me, what representation is and isn't worthy. Please, enlighten us novices about how bisexuality works oh great senpai... Bisexuality is on a spectrum, they can have preferences, most bisexual people are not split 50/50 gay/straight.  |
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Post by Lorn on Jul 30, 2017 1:02:57 GMT
Please, enlighten us novices about how bisexuality works oh great senpai... Bisexuality is on a spectrum, they can have preferences, most bisexual people are not split 50/50 gay/straight. So, you're saying bisexuality isn't a thing. Good to know... |
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Post by Rouccoco on Jul 30, 2017 1:07:26 GMT
Bisexuality is on a spectrum, they can have preferences, most bisexual people are not split 50/50 gay/straight. So, you're saying bisexuality isn't a thing. Good to know...  Don't you have a bridge to guard or something. |
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Post by Lorn on Jul 30, 2017 1:12:03 GMT
So, you're saying bisexuality isn't a thing. Good to know... Don't you have a bridge to guard or something. You're the one that is decrying bisexual people. |
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Post by Rouccoco on Jul 30, 2017 1:12:32 GMT
There was enough demand for LGBT characters in BW games, and there is enough demand for more and more games, both indie and mainstream, to include gay characters. LGBT people are paying customers too.And that is the key, they are paying customers too, more specifically, a small portion of the customer base.
You want to transform a product in your image in order to "teach a lesson" to those evil straights. I'm sure it will sell like hotcakes! Well, at least among those that like the idea of "teaching a lesson".
Unfortunately for you and your fantasies, most gamers are not interested in your ideological crusade, and many others are liable to decide to teach a lesson of their own a company that decides to go down that road. Shitting on the vast majority of your customers and "teaching them a lesson" isn't a great way to do PR.
My straight comment was sarcastic, no need for all those strawmen and "quotes" I supposedly wrote. You're the ones trying to find an agenda in simply having gay characters in a game. "Oh they're there to start an ideological crusade! And make the straight gamers feel bad about themselves!" |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jul 30, 2017 1:21:32 GMT
I was wondering when Politic Thread Trolls™ would be here :poop:
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Post by Dirk on Jul 30, 2017 1:28:20 GMT
What are you talking about? If every romance option is bi nothing is getting taken away from anyone but instead they adding a option that wasn't there. If Suvi turned bi right now in a patch what would change? Suvi can still be romanced by Female Ryder just like Jaal can be but none of you complained they was taking something away from straight woman. You'll still get your representations, which is stupid in the first place because video games are an art and they should be whatever the artist wants it to be not pander to any group so they can feel better about themselves. But that's different topic. Bottom line is making everyone bi takes nothing away from anyone you can still pretend that person is gay, straight, or bi if you want to. Bi characters are great, but they should not be stand ins for gay and lesbian characters. Bi representation is not the same thing as gay representation, because if you haven't noticed, gay != bi. Especially since most bi characters we had predominantly display opposite-sex attraction making the bi representation pretty invisible, unless you actively search it out. Personally I could do with less games pandering to straight people. Representation only seems stupid, when you never had to go without. Great points. I think there are two topics at play: representation and romance. All-bi approach would be excellent for romance but it would be bad for representation. Meanwhile representing gay, lesbian, and straight characters would be that they cannot be romanced by all. The best way to go with this imo is to have a variety of lgbt characters along with straight characters while giving equal romance options, such as the 2/2/2 approach (with all options have more or less equal content). Edit: I forget to mention about another approach where all LIs are bi, but there are non-LI and plot-important characters that are lgbt. I think this is another way to have both great romance options and representation. |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jul 30, 2017 1:29:24 GMT
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jul 30, 2017 1:31:35 GMT
I dont have arguments with walls That response seems like trolling to me. Le gasp. Trolling trolls is not trolling™ didnt you learn this in troll school or what |
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Post by Davrin's boobs on Jul 30, 2017 1:36:27 GMT
Trolling trolls is not trolling™ But if trolling someone who trolls trolls isn't trolling, how can you distinguish between the real trolls and the fake trolls? Does it depend on the ideology of the "troll"?
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Post by Lorn on Jul 30, 2017 1:37:54 GMT
I was wondering when Politic Thread Trolls™ would be here :poop: Oh boy! So first I'm told I don't matter, and then I'm told I'm a troll (twice)! So much for being open minded... |
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Post by Rouccoco on Jul 30, 2017 1:38:36 GMT
Bi characters are great, but they should not be stand ins for gay and lesbian characters. Bi representation is not the same thing as gay representation, because if you haven't noticed, gay != bi. Especially since most bi characters we had predominantly display opposite-sex attraction making the bi representation pretty invisible, unless you actively search it out. Personally I could do with less games pandering to straight people. Representation only seems stupid, when you never had to go without. Great points. I think there are two topics at play: representation and romance. All-bi approach would be excellent for romance but it would be bad for representation. Meanwhile representing gay, lesbian, and straight characters would be that they cannot be romanced by all. The best way to go with this imo is to have a variety of lgbt characters along with straight characters while giving equal romance options, such as the 2/2/2 approach (with all options have more or less equal content). Edit: I forget to mention about another approach where all LIs are bi, but there are non-LI and plot-important characters that are lgbt. I think this is another way to have both great romance options and representation. Yeah, I liked DAI's approach the best. Equal amount of choices, even representation. The 4 bi approach would be ok, if they actually acknowledged their sexualities and not leave it to meta knowledge. Fallout 4 was great for romance options, for example, but did nothing for representation. Until you romanced them with both protagonists there was no way of knowing that they're actually bisexual. Most people assumed they were straight (I saw a lot of people say that about Danse). |
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