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Post by Psychevore on Jul 28, 2017 19:49:05 GMT
Good to see the usual suspects hoping beyond hope that the franchise they supposely love is cancelled. Weirdos. Not the franchise, just everything/anything to do with Andromeda. Hopefully then Bioware will go in a completely different direction more akin to the trilogy - like what happened with DA2 -> Inquisition. Yes, because Inquisition is like Origins. Come on now.
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Post by suikoden on Jul 28, 2017 19:52:46 GMT
Not the franchise, just everything/anything to do with Andromeda. Hopefully then Bioware will go in a completely different direction more akin to the trilogy - like what happened with DA2 -> Inquisition. Yes, because Inquisition is like Origins. Come on now. Less linear than DA2 - and brings back the tactical camera from Origins. DA2 is the action adventure "push a button something awesome happens" black sheep of the franchise.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 28, 2017 19:55:20 GMT
If the game was a financial success then they would be getting ready for MEA 2 and many DLC’s but I don’t see any evidence for this. Let’s just say the game made enough money to cover the cost with some left over. I think that is the best they will get from me. Similar situation to Dragon Age 2 perhaps, which took a pause and came back with the GOTY DAI... That pause mainly came from switching to Frostbite engine, which at the time lacked any dev tools for making RPG's.
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 28, 2017 19:58:00 GMT
Yes, because Inquisition is like Origins. Come on now. Less linear than DA2 - and brings back the tactical camera from Origins. DA2 is the action adventure "push a button something awesome happens" black sheep of the franchise. Are you serious right now? That makes it like Origins? I guess you weren't around when the game released and this forum was filled with people saying the game was absolute trash and nothing like Origins. Oh, and also how it was a failure and the end of the franchise. Kinda exactly like what you've been doing with Andromeda for the past 6 months. Wonder what Bioware did to people to make them this upset about their games. Also, that tactical camera was a mess. How you dare bring it up as a good thing is beyond me.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jul 28, 2017 19:59:43 GMT
It seems odd that if EA is actually happy with how much money ME:A made that BioWare Montreal was essentially cut down and turned into a support studio, which puts the future of Mass Effect in question for the time being. From the sounds of it, MEA was a success in spite of its release controversy. Montreal didn't do as well as they could have, but if the game makes money, it makes money. This probably ensures that even if Montreal never works on singleplayer ME content again, some arm of Bioware will.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 28, 2017 20:13:23 GMT
It seems odd that if EA is actually happy with how much money ME:A made that BioWare Montreal was essentially cut down and turned into a support studio, which puts the future of Mass Effect in question for the time being. From the sounds of it, MEA was a success in spite of its release controversy. Montreal didn't do as well as they could have, but if the game makes money, it makes money. This probably ensures that even if Montreal never works on singleplayer ME content again, some arm of Bioware will. That Andromeda made money was never in question. Being very pessimistic it sold at least 2 mi copies, but almost certainly considerably more. But we still don't know how well it sold or if it met EA's expectations. But I think you're right, and it's what many people believe even since we got the news that Montreal was "axed". Mass Effect will come back, we do know how, but it will most certainly come back. Hopefully in the hands of a more capable development team and/or leadership.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 28, 2017 20:15:05 GMT
It seems odd that if EA is actually happy with how much money ME:A made that BioWare Montreal was essentially cut down and turned into a support studio, which puts the future of Mass Effect in question for the time being. From the sounds of it, MEA was a success in spite of its release controversy. Montreal didn't do as well as they could have, but if the game makes money, it makes money. This probably ensures that even if Montreal never works on singleplayer ME content again, some arm of Bioware will. But it also means EA is willing to give BW Montreal another chance to learn from it's mistakes and try again with a sequel.
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Post by pouf on Jul 28, 2017 20:16:49 GMT
Being very pessimistic it sold at least 2 mi copies, but almost certainly considerably more. Seeing as people have used actual logic to prove that the first-week sales were at least three million, the word you're looking for isn't "pessimistic", it's "delusional".
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 28, 2017 20:17:10 GMT
That Andromeda made money was never in question. Eh, yes it wa... You literary just contradicted yourself! Right in following sentence!
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 28, 2017 20:21:00 GMT
That Andromeda made money was never in question. Eh, yes it wa... You literary just contradicted yourself! Right in following sentence! How's that? 2 mi units sold is quite a considerable number. ME2 for example shipped that number of units in its first week and it was quite acceptable.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 28, 2017 20:23:50 GMT
Being very pessimistic it sold at least 2 mi copies, but almost certainly considerably more. Seeing as people have used actual logic to prove that the first-week sales were at least three million, the word you're looking for isn't "pessimistic", it's "delusional". I don't know which logic people used. We have very little data for how many units MEA sold, I only remember the US numbers that were roughly 1 mi and multiplied by two. I honestly have no idea how much units Andromeda sold and I'm not interested in that because it's a very pointless discussion. We know Andromeda sold a notable number. That's about it for me.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 28, 2017 20:29:36 GMT
How's that? 2 mi units sold is quite a considerable number. ME2 for example shipped that number of units in its first week and it was quite acceptable. 1. ME2 wasn't released on PS3 until a year later, otherwise ME2 would have sold 3 million copies on first week. 2. EA expected 3 million copies to be sold on first week, to be on par with ME3. Anything less would have been a failure for EA.
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Post by pouf on Jul 28, 2017 20:31:08 GMT
I don't know which logic people used. Horizon: Zero Dawn sold 2.6 million in its first two weeks. ME:A had sold more than H:ZD by the end of March, even though H:ZD had been released the month before. So, based on those numbers, three million is a conservative estimate for ME:A sales.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 28, 2017 20:33:51 GMT
As I said, discussing sales number is a fruitless endeavour. But I believe I don't think any report release so far allow us to say Andromeda met EA's expectations.
Which is also relative. Tomb Raider reboot failed to meet Square Enix's expectations, yet it got a terrific sequel that I consider to be the best Tomb Raider game ever released.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jul 28, 2017 20:36:50 GMT
From the sounds of it, MEA was a success in spite of its release controversy. Montreal didn't do as well as they could have, but if the game makes money, it makes money. This probably ensures that even if Montreal never works on singleplayer ME content again, some arm of Bioware will. That Andromeda made money was never in question. Being very pessimistic it sold at least 2 mi copies, but almost certainly considerably more. But we still don't know how well it sold or if it met EA's expectations. But I think you're right, and it's what many people believe even since we got the news that Montreal was "axed". Mass Effect will come back, we do know how, but it will most certainly come back. Hopefully in the hands of a more capable development team and/or leadership. Yeah, I'd say it's almost a certainty. Almost no major game franchise truly dies nowadays anyway, but a Mass Effect title in the near future (within 4-5 years) doesn't seem like an unreasonable outcome. Bioware did well enough that there's no reason to preemptively stop further Mass Effect media. From the sounds of it, MEA was a success in spite of its release controversy. Montreal didn't do as well as they could have, but if the game makes money, it makes money. This probably ensures that even if Montreal never works on singleplayer ME content again, some arm of Bioware will. But it also means EA is willing to give BW Montreal another chance to learn from it's mistakes and try again with a sequel. Possibly. It really depends on how extensive the dismantling of Montreal really is. If it's not too severe, then they might indeed keep working on it.
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Post by natetrace on Jul 28, 2017 21:00:11 GMT
I'm glad ME:A was able to do something at least, though the people who want to see it fail will find a way around this information. Even if Andromeda was a massive success, I'm not convinced it would be prioritized over Anthem and DA4. I feel like at most we would (could) still see at least one DLC with other loose threads tied up in comics. Perhaps they've decided to hold off on it until post DA4. Anthem will continue to get support, the DA4 team could be moved elsewhere after it's release.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Jul 28, 2017 21:33:54 GMT
I'm glad ME:A was able to do something at least, though the people who want to see it fail will find a way around this information. Even if Andromeda was a massive success, I'm not convinced it would be prioritized over Anthem and DA4. I feel like at most we would (could) still see at least one DLC with other loose threads tied up in comics. Perhaps they've decided to hold off on it until post DA4. Anthem will continue to get support, the DA4 team could be moved elsewhere after it's release. Another ME game won't be prioritized till Anthem and DA4 is out, because Bioware has expanded into multiple studios it'll be a rotating wheel where one game is top priority, once it's out the next franchise launch is top priority, then into the next until it's ME *insert name* turn. It'll be a few years before it's most likely even hinted that it's in development. DLC for Andromeda is much more closer to occur cause it won't take a whole studio to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 21:36:27 GMT
The future of Mass Effect isn't in question just because they're not working on the sequel right this second, unlike what a clickbait-peddling hack wants to con people into believing. The obvious conclusion is that BioWare Montreal staff are needed to support Andromeda post-launch as well as help with Anthem and Battlefront II. Anyone pretending standard industry practice of staff being moved to other projects after a game's launch is a bad sign is trying to mislead people. It's potentially a bad sign for those who were wanting another Mass Effect game in the near future, because without the studio that was making it we're not going to see work on one even begin until Montreal has been brought out of a support role. We're looking at 3-5 years before release once they actually start working on it. Also while it's standard to shift staff around after a launch, it's not as standard to shift the focus of an entire studio when they're coming off a game you're saying was a financial success. I don't think that's quite how it works. IIRC, fully staffed, full production for MEA only took ~ 18 months. I believe the reality is that each franchise has a small core team (consisting primarily of leads in their respective areas) that is fully devoted to that franchise. They're the ones who determine the scope, storyline, quest structure, choose character/archetype concepts, art styles, mechanics, etc. I also believe that once they've figured out what they think they want to build, they prepare a budget to present to EA for funding/green-lighting. Once the project is approved, the core team can start nailing down designs - starting at higher levels, then drilling down to the point where you have a design (and perhaps some prototypes) with enough detail that a production worker can actually produce that piece of work. The core team probably already has some high-level concepts cooked up for MEA2 - they did build some story threads into MEA that they apparently intend to develop down the line. The vast majority of the production staff will move from project to project, franchise to franchise, depending on where they're needed and which project is in full production. At this point in time, it's apparently Anthem. DA4 may be the next BioWare franchise to move to full production (it's probably still in pre-prod at this point).
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Post by obatalaryder on Jul 28, 2017 21:36:35 GMT
So what are the naysayer's game plan now? when Jason made those articles everyone made them to be the pinnacles of truth.
But no one wil defiintely hold debate against these official reports, right?
Although on /r/masseffect it seems nothing will budge their MASS EFFECT IS DEAD! mantra. It's pretty disturbing.
Ironically, the BSN Boards is 10x more positive or neutral about the state of Mass Effect.
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Post by Heimdall on Jul 28, 2017 21:38:18 GMT
But it also means EA is willing to give BW Montreal another chance to learn from it's mistakes and try again with a sequel. Possibly. It really depends on how extensive the dismantling of Montreal really is. If it's not too severe, then they might indeed keep working on it. Honestly it isn't really clear that Montreal has been dismantled at all.
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Post by OdanUrr on Jul 28, 2017 21:38:58 GMT
So what are the naysayer's game plan now?
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 28, 2017 21:40:17 GMT
Two positive earnings reports for Andromeda certainly point to more optimism rather than more skepticism regarding all things Andromeda and Mass Effect.
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Post by Croatsky on Jul 28, 2017 21:41:22 GMT
So what are the naysayer's game plan now? when Jason made those articles everyone made them to be the pinnacles of truth. But no one wil defiintely hold debate against these official reports, right? Although on /r/masseffect it seems nothing will budge their MASS EFFECT IS DEAD! mantra. It's pretty disturbing. Ironically, the BSN Boards is 10x more positive or neutral about the state of Mass Effect. It feels like all the most negative parts of official BSN moved to reddit.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 21:54:38 GMT
I don't think this a surprise. I expected EA to make a profit from MEA. Of course it helped revenue in the quarter because that's when it was released.
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Post by Serza on Jul 28, 2017 21:57:10 GMT
So what are the naysayer's game plan now? when Jason made those articles everyone made them to be the pinnacles of truth. But no one wil defiintely hold debate against these official reports, right? Although on /r/masseffect it seems nothing will budge their MASS EFFECT IS DEAD! mantra. It's pretty disturbing. Ironically, the BSN Boards is 10x more positive or neutral about the state of Mass Effect. It feels like all the most negative parts of official BSN moved to reddit. *scoffs* Good riddance if so.
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