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Post by Heimdall on Jul 28, 2017 22:01:06 GMT
I don't think this a surprise. I expected EA to make a profit from MEA. Of course it helped revenue in the quarter because that's when it was released. It was released in the previous quarter, though most of this seems to be sales captured in that quarter and counted in this one.
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Post by Daft Arbiter on Jul 28, 2017 22:01:56 GMT
Possibly. It really depends on how extensive the dismantling of Montreal really is. If it's not too severe, then they might indeed keep working on it. Honestly it isn't really clear that Montreal has been dismantled at all. If it hasn't been, then they'll probably keep working on it. Edmonton's busy with Anthem and DA; Austin's still doing SWTOR, right? Either one probably has its hands full.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 28, 2017 22:02:26 GMT
That Andromeda made money was never in question. Being very pessimistic it sold at least 2 mi copies, but almost certainly considerably more. But we still don't know how well it sold or if it met EA's expectations. But I think you're right, and it's what many people believe even since we got the news that Montreal was "axed". Mass Effect will come back, we do know how, but it will most certainly come back. Hopefully in the hands of a more capable development team and/or leadership. Yeah, I'd say it's almost a certainty. Almost no major game franchise truly dies nowadays anyway, but a Mass Effect title in the near future (within 4-5 years) doesn't seem like an unreasonable outcome. Bioware did well enough that there's no reason to preemptively stop further Mass Effect media. But it also means EA is willing to give BW Montreal another chance to learn from it's mistakes and try again with a sequel. Possibly. It really depends on how extensive the dismantling of Montreal really is. If it's not too severe, then they might indeed keep working on it. If I have to guess, they would not use the Montreal studio simply because how negatively it is perceived right now. Even if many people that worked in Andromeda end up working in the next Mass Effect a couple years from now, it would be on a (possibly even new) studio.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 22:04:53 GMT
I don't think this a surprise. I expected EA to make a profit from MEA. Of course it helped revenue in the quarter because that's when it was released. It was released in the previous quarter, though most of this seems to be sales captured in that quarter and counted in this one. That's what I'm referring to, the 1st quarter. The 2nd quarter isn't over yet, so it has to be the first.
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Post by bshep on Jul 28, 2017 22:06:24 GMT
So what are the naysayer's game plan now? when Jason made those articles everyone made them to be the pinnacles of truth. But no one wil defiintely hold debate against these official reports, right? Although on /r/masseffect it seems nothing will budge their MASS EFFECT IS DEAD! mantra. It's pretty disturbing. Ironically, the BSN Boards is 10x more positive or neutral about the state of Mass Effect. "It was good but MAYBE not that good"... That is pretty much how some of them are acting here.
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Post by Heimdall on Jul 28, 2017 22:07:48 GMT
It was released in the previous quarter, though most of this seems to be sales captured in that quarter and counted in this one. That's what I'm referring to, the 1st quarter. The 2nd quarter isn't over yet, so it has to be the first. EA's financial calendar does not align with the calendar year. It was released in Q4 of fiscal year 2017. This past quarter EA just reported on was Q1 of fiscal year 2018.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2017 22:09:13 GMT
That's what I'm referring to, the 1st quarter. The 2nd quarter isn't over yet, so it has to be the first. EA's financial calendar does not align with the calendar year. It was released in Q4 of fiscal year 2017. This pst quarter EA just reported on was Q1 of fiscal year 2018. That's right, I confused fiscal year with actual year, my mistake.
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Post by NeonGummiBear on Jul 28, 2017 23:18:35 GMT
Why is there so much aggressivity from those who absolutely believe that there will be DLC, that MEA was a financial success, etc. and why is there so much misinformation or outright lies? Kotaku's article that is so heavily criticized never said Mass Effect was dead. Here's an except from their article: "That doesn’t mean there will never be another Mass Effect game, of course. It’s unlikely that BioWare will kill the popular sci-fi franchise. But BioWare is letting Mass Effect sit for a while rather than putting staff on Andromeda’s follow-up right away, those sources said." kotaku.com/sources-bioware-montreal-downsized-mass-effect-put-on-1795100285Yet all I read is "Kotaku is clickbait claiming ME is dead!!" I take Kotaku's articles as possible but am neither so quick to dismiss it (and believe blindly the contrary) nor do I believe what they say to be undisputed fact. But what they say only lines up with everything else we've seen/heard. It seems some people really are in an echo chamber, only hearing what they want to hear, becoming aggressive (perhaps "triggered" is a better word) every time someone gives a more nuanced analysis of the situation. Basically to them, MEA was an undisputed financial success, no other way to see the situation, and we should expect to see a buttload of DLC and a sequel soon. There's a difference between being hopeful and looking at these numbers as a good sign, and outright believing that your conclusion is the only valid one, discarding any discordant analyses or counter arguments. Destructoid's analysis of these good numbers take into account the weak line-up of Q1 2016 and ask the good questions. Are these results in line with their expectations? Did the game under, out, or perform as well as they expected to? These are points that need to be taken into consideration, but people here don't want to. Remember when the Tomb Raider reboot sold well, becoming one of the best-selling game of the franchise, yet was still considered a failure by Square Enix? www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-26-tomb-raider-has-sold-3-4-million-copies-failed-to-hit-expectationsThese "good numbers" mean nothing without the correct perspective. I would not be so hasty to jump to conclusions, and I certainly would not be part of those insulting sites that have come to a different one.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 28, 2017 23:26:05 GMT
Why is there so much aggressivity from those who absolutely believe that there will be DLC, that MEA was a financial success, etc. and why is there so much misinformation or outright lies? Kotaku's article that is so heavily criticized never said Mass Effect was dead. Here's an except from their article: "That doesn’t mean there will never be another Mass Effect game, of course. It’s unlikely that BioWare will kill the popular sci-fi franchise. But BioWare is letting Mass Effect sit for a while rather than putting staff on Andromeda’s follow-up right away, those sources said." kotaku.com/sources-bioware-montreal-downsized-mass-effect-put-on-1795100285Yet all I read is "Kotaku is clickbait claiming ME is dead!!" I take Kotaku's articles as possible but am neither so quick to dismiss it (and believe blindly the contrary) nor do I believe what they say to be undisputed fact. But what they say only lines up with everything else we've seen/heard. It seems some people really are in an echo chamber, only hearing what they want to hear, becoming aggressive (perhaps "triggered" is a better word) every time someone gives a more nuanced analysis of the situation. Basically to them, MEA was an undisputed financial success, no other way to see the situation, and we should expect to see a buttload of DLC and a sequel soon. There's a difference between being hopeful and looking at these numbers as a good sign, and outright believing that your conclusion is the only valid one, discarding any discordant analyses or counter arguments. Destructoid's analysis of these good numbers take into account the weak line-up of Q1 2016 and ask the good questions. Are these results in line with their expectations? Did the game under, out, or perform as well as they expected to? These are points that need to be taken into consideration, but people here don't want to. Remember when the Tomb Raider reboot sold well, becoming one of the best-selling game of the franchise, yet was still considered a failure by Square Enix? www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-26-tomb-raider-has-sold-3-4-million-copies-failed-to-hit-expectationsThese "good numbers" mean nothing without the correct perspective. I would not be so hasty to jump to conclusions, and I certainly would not be part of those insulting sites that have come to a different one. Fantastic post, sir.
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Post by smilesja on Jul 28, 2017 23:38:07 GMT
Why is there so much aggressivity from those who absolutely believe that there will be DLC, that MEA was a financial success, etc. and why is there so much misinformation or outright lies? Kotaku's article that is so heavily criticized never said Mass Effect was dead. Here's an except from their article: "That doesn’t mean there will never be another Mass Effect game, of course. It’s unlikely that BioWare will kill the popular sci-fi franchise. But BioWare is letting Mass Effect sit for a while rather than putting staff on Andromeda’s follow-up right away, those sources said." kotaku.com/sources-bioware-montreal-downsized-mass-effect-put-on-1795100285Yet all I read is "Kotaku is clickbait claiming ME is dead!!" I take Kotaku's articles as possible but am neither so quick to dismiss it (and believe blindly the contrary) nor do I believe what they say to be undisputed fact. But what they say only lines up with everything else we've seen/heard. It seems some people really are in an echo chamber, only hearing what they want to hear, becoming aggressive (perhaps "triggered" is a better word) every time someone gives a more nuanced analysis of the situation. Basically to them, MEA was an undisputed financial success, no other way to see the situation, and we should expect to see a buttload of DLC and a sequel soon. There's a difference between being hopeful and looking at these numbers as a good sign, and outright believing that your conclusion is the only valid one, discarding any discordant analyses or counter arguments. Destructoid's analysis of these good numbers take into account the weak line-up of Q1 2016 and ask the good questions. Are these results in line with their expectations? Did the game under, out, or perform as well as they expected to? These are points that need to be taken into consideration, but people here don't want to. Remember when the Tomb Raider reboot sold well, becoming one of the best-selling game of the franchise, yet was still considered a failure by Square Enix? www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-26-tomb-raider-has-sold-3-4-million-copies-failed-to-hit-expectationsThese "good numbers" mean nothing without the correct perspective. I would not be so hasty to jump to conclusions, and I certainly would not be part of those insulting sites that have come to a different one. I think Square had unrealistic expectations for Tomb Raider. That being said, the Kotaku article changed its story multiple times and relied on unverified sources which made people look at it with suspicion. And Destructoid just did a spin on the numbers which put off some people especially me. The bottom line is that EA is happy with ME: A. It's not a failure nor a runaway success. But ME: A sold just enough to satisfy them to instill optimism in Bioware. You're right we don't have the exact numbers since EA doesn't release, but we can assume since they can't really lie in front of investors that EA is happy and there fore DLC will come soon. EA loves their DLCs even Dead Space 3 and Dragon Age 2 received them. I think for a lot of us we just come to the conclusion that ME: A will receive more DLC support.There's just little doubt now that ME: A was a big contributor to EA's increase in revenue and we can come to conclusion that they are happy. And this place FAR from an echo chamber.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 29, 2017 0:04:55 GMT
Why is there so much aggressivity from those who absolutely believe that there will be DLC, that MEA was a financial success, etc. and why is there so much misinformation or outright lies? Kotaku's article that is so heavily criticized never said Mass Effect was dead. Here's an except from their article: "That doesn’t mean there will never be another Mass Effect game, of course. It’s unlikely that BioWare will kill the popular sci-fi franchise. But BioWare is letting Mass Effect sit for a while rather than putting staff on Andromeda’s follow-up right away, those sources said." kotaku.com/sources-bioware-montreal-downsized-mass-effect-put-on-1795100285Yet all I read is "Kotaku is clickbait claiming ME is dead!!" I take Kotaku's articles as possible but am neither so quick to dismiss it (and believe blindly the contrary) nor do I believe what they say to be undisputed fact. But what they say only lines up with everything else we've seen/heard. It seems some people really are in an echo chamber, only hearing what they want to hear, becoming aggressive (perhaps "triggered" is a better word) every time someone gives a more nuanced analysis of the situation. Basically to them, MEA was an undisputed financial success, no other way to see the situation, and we should expect to see a buttload of DLC and a sequel soon. There's a difference between being hopeful and looking at these numbers as a good sign, and outright believing that your conclusion is the only valid one, discarding any discordant analyses or counter arguments. Destructoid's analysis of these good numbers take into account the weak line-up of Q1 2016 and ask the good questions. Are these results in line with their expectations? Did the game under, out, or perform as well as they expected to? These are points that need to be taken into consideration, but people here don't want to. Remember when the Tomb Raider reboot sold well, becoming one of the best-selling game of the franchise, yet was still considered a failure by Square Enix? www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-26-tomb-raider-has-sold-3-4-million-copies-failed-to-hit-expectationsThese "good numbers" mean nothing without the correct perspective. I would not be so hasty to jump to conclusions, and I certainly would not be part of those insulting sites that have come to a different one. I think Square had unrealistic expectations for Tomb Raider. That being said, the Kotaku article changed its story multiple times and relied on unverified sources which made people look at it with suspicion. And Destructoid just did a spin on the numbers which put off some people especially me. The bottom line is that EA is happy with ME: A. It's not a failure nor a runaway success. But ME: A sold just enough to satisfy them to instill optimism in Bioware. You're right we don't have the exact numbers since EA doesn't release, but we can assume since they can't really lie in front of investors that EA is happy and there fore DLC will come soon. EA loves their DLCs even Dead Space 3 and Dragon Age 2 received them. I think for a lot of us we just come to the conclusion that ME: A will receive more DLC support.There's just little doubt now that ME: A was a big contributor to EA's increase in revenue and we can come to conclusion that they are happy. And this place FAR from an echo chamber. Besides the title, what else did it change?
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Post by Arcian on Jul 29, 2017 2:09:34 GMT
In EA’s financials, Mass Effect: Andromeda is held up as the title that drove the company’s financials last quarter, referenced multiple times as a significant factor in generating revenue. "Year-on-year growth was driven by the Mass Effect: Andromeda sales, captured in the quarter and by FIFA,” CFO Blake Jorgensen explains. “Digital net sales were $681 million, a new record for the first quarter, and up $113 million on the year-ago period. The increase reflects strength in live services, together with our mobile business. In addition, Mass Effect: Andromeda was a significant contributor. Full game PC and console downloads generated net sales of $111 million, 32% higher than last year. This was driven by Mass Effect: Andromeda sales captured in the quarter.” That’s three mentions of the RPG having a big sales impact on the business. While it’s difficult to tell if the game is a financial success, EA certainly seem to be suggesting as much. It’s more surprising that BioWare Montreal have been put on ice after release, then. www.pcgamesn.com/mass-effect-andromeda/mass-effect-andromeda-sales-numbers I like how the title states it's a financial success and the author then writes:
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Post by gamersglory on Jul 29, 2017 4:44:04 GMT
I don't think this a surprise. I expected EA to make a profit from MEA. Of course it helped revenue in the quarter because that's when it was released. It was released in the previous quarter, though most of this seems to be sales captured in that quarter and counted in this one. It was released in the last week of Q1. So Q2 would be when you would have time to go through all the finance of what the game brought in plus the game will keep making new sales. Also, it's up to EA when they want to post the gains from ME:A chances are the digital pre order returns from the first week made them delay the earnings tell Q2. When sales stabilized. Also Video game sales as a whole are down quite a bit in the last few years so the game did really well in that aspect.
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Post by The Twilight God on Jul 29, 2017 6:55:39 GMT
Let's put that Eurogamer article in perspective: This is a gaming journalist desperately trying to put a spin on EA saying, " Andromeda made us a lot of money, y'all!" Anything reported that you dislike is clickbait for mindless idiots with 1st grade reading comprehension skills. Anything reported that is to your liking is God's Truth™. Would that be a correct assessment?
So how much money did MEA make EA, pouf?
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Post by darkway1 on Jul 29, 2017 7:12:51 GMT
Worth noting,during the earning call EA also revealed a new Battlefield in 2018,new Star Wars action game 2019 and of course there's Anthem........and yet zero info regarding Mass Effects because....."reasons"???????
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Post by bizantura on Jul 29, 2017 7:37:59 GMT
I am glad MEA isn't the "boondoggle" it was made out by many, journalist and gamers alike. Never the less subjective, scuttlebutt is more real than reality seems to be these days. Curtious banter, friendly discussions are increasingly more difficult. Diversity here and diversity there unless we don't look and feel the same!!! Being a carbon copy molded by society isn't diversity.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 29, 2017 7:50:06 GMT
I am glad MEA isn't the "boondoggle" it was made out by many, journalist and gamers alike. Never the less subjective, scuttlebutt is more real than reality seems to be these days. Curtious banter, friendly discussions are increasingly more difficult. Diversity here and diversity there unless we don't look and feel the same!!! Being a carbon copy molded by society isn't diversity. Kind of why Synthesis fell apart.
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Post by Psychevore on Jul 29, 2017 8:08:57 GMT
Why is there so much aggressivity from those who absolutely believe that there will be DLC, that MEA was a financial success, etc. and why is there so much misinformation or outright lies? Kotaku's article that is so heavily criticized never said Mass Effect was dead. Here's an except from their article: "That doesn’t mean there will never be another Mass Effect game, of course. It’s unlikely that BioWare will kill the popular sci-fi franchise. But BioWare is letting Mass Effect sit for a while rather than putting staff on Andromeda’s follow-up right away, those sources said." kotaku.com/sources-bioware-montreal-downsized-mass-effect-put-on-1795100285Yet all I read is "Kotaku is clickbait claiming ME is dead!!" I take Kotaku's articles as possible but am neither so quick to dismiss it (and believe blindly the contrary) nor do I believe what they say to be undisputed fact. But what they say only lines up with everything else we've seen/heard. It seems some people really are in an echo chamber, only hearing what they want to hear, becoming aggressive (perhaps "triggered" is a better word) every time someone gives a more nuanced analysis of the situation. Basically to them, MEA was an undisputed financial success, no other way to see the situation, and we should expect to see a buttload of DLC and a sequel soon. There's a difference between being hopeful and looking at these numbers as a good sign, and outright believing that your conclusion is the only valid one, discarding any discordant analyses or counter arguments. Destructoid's analysis of these good numbers take into account the weak line-up of Q1 2016 and ask the good questions. Are these results in line with their expectations? Did the game under, out, or perform as well as they expected to? These are points that need to be taken into consideration, but people here don't want to. Remember when the Tomb Raider reboot sold well, becoming one of the best-selling game of the franchise, yet was still considered a failure by Square Enix? www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-26-tomb-raider-has-sold-3-4-million-copies-failed-to-hit-expectationsThese "good numbers" mean nothing without the correct perspective. I would not be so hasty to jump to conclusions, and I certainly would not be part of those insulting sites that have come to a different one. That article used to say pretty much everyone was fired and Mass Effect canned. It was edited multiple times. That's why people say it's clickbait.
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I am glad MEA isn't the "boondoggle" it was made out by many, journalist and gamers alike. Never the less subjective, scuttlebutt is more real than reality seems to be these days. Curtious banter, friendly discussions are increasingly more difficult. Diversity here and diversity there unless we don't look and feel the same!!! Being a carbon copy molded by society isn't diversity. Diversity can kiss my ass.
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It seems odd that if EA is actually happy with how much money ME:A made that BioWare Montreal was essentially cut down and turned into a support studio, which puts the future of Mass Effect in question for the time being. Interesting that this little gem from the Montreal Gazette in April 2017 was never picked up by the likes of Kotaku and other gaming media, yet rumors of a downsizing only a couple of months later spread like wildfire... and yet the Montreal Gazette itself doesn't appear to have picked up on such an apparently sudden reversal of policy: montrealgazette.com/business/local-business/electronic-arts-to-create-500-jobs-in-montreal-after-getting-tax-creditsThat doesn't mean that Kotaku can't be right... but I still think it indicates the existence of a clear bias in the gaming industry to largely report things mostly from a negative perspective when it's about EA and Bioware. I honestly can't remember when I last saw a truly positive article about Bioware in the gaming media. During the Q&A of the earnings call, EA apparently indicated that they were moving (or had moved) Bioware Montreal to be in the same building as their other Montreal operations. There can be a number of business reasons for such things that would not necessarily be related to the performance of ME:A.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 29, 2017 8:29:17 GMT
Why is there so much aggressivity from those who absolutely believe that there will be DLC, that MEA was a financial success, etc. and why is there so much misinformation or outright lies? Kotaku's article that is so heavily criticized never said Mass Effect was dead. Here's an except from their article: "That doesn’t mean there will never be another Mass Effect game, of course. It’s unlikely that BioWare will kill the popular sci-fi franchise. But BioWare is letting Mass Effect sit for a while rather than putting staff on Andromeda’s follow-up right away, those sources said." kotaku.com/sources-bioware-montreal-downsized-mass-effect-put-on-1795100285Yet all I read is "Kotaku is clickbait claiming ME is dead!!" I take Kotaku's articles as possible but am neither so quick to dismiss it (and believe blindly the contrary) nor do I believe what they say to be undisputed fact. But what they say only lines up with everything else we've seen/heard. It seems some people really are in an echo chamber, only hearing what they want to hear, becoming aggressive (perhaps "triggered" is a better word) every time someone gives a more nuanced analysis of the situation. Basically to them, MEA was an undisputed financial success, no other way to see the situation, and we should expect to see a buttload of DLC and a sequel soon. There's a difference between being hopeful and looking at these numbers as a good sign, and outright believing that your conclusion is the only valid one, discarding any discordant analyses or counter arguments. Destructoid's analysis of these good numbers take into account the weak line-up of Q1 2016 and ask the good questions. Are these results in line with their expectations? Did the game under, out, or perform as well as they expected to? These are points that need to be taken into consideration, but people here don't want to. Remember when the Tomb Raider reboot sold well, becoming one of the best-selling game of the franchise, yet was still considered a failure by Square Enix? www.eurogamer.net/articles/2013-03-26-tomb-raider-has-sold-3-4-million-copies-failed-to-hit-expectationsThese "good numbers" mean nothing without the correct perspective. I would not be so hasty to jump to conclusions, and I certainly would not be part of those insulting sites that have come to a different one. That article used to say pretty much everyone was fired and Mass Effect canned. It was edited multiple times. That's why people say it's clickbait. Yes. It reads now nothing like how I remember it being back in June. Here is a link I pulled from an earlier thread here: kotaku.com/sources-mass-effect-andromeda-will-not-get-single-pla-1796548159?utm_campaign=Socialflow_Kotaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=SocialflowIn this version, Jason Schrier ends the article by saying: It should, therefore, not be all that surprising that people have interpreted that to mean he was saying "Mass Effect is dead." I'm finding it interesting that the article NeonGummiBear is citing is from May and the one in the link I grabbed is from June. In the May article, Jason indicates: Whereas, the June article say: I have to wonder why all 4 of his sources from May couldn't confirm the information in the June article.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 29, 2017 8:30:22 GMT
It seems odd that if EA is actually happy with how much money ME:A made that BioWare Montreal was essentially cut down and turned into a support studio, which puts the future of Mass Effect in question for the time being. Interesting that this little gem from the Montreal Gazette in April 2017 was never picked up by the likes of Kotaku and other gaming media, yet rumors of a downsizing only a couple of months later spread like wildfire... and yet the Montreal Gazette itself doesn't appear to have picked up on such an apparently sudden reversal of policy: montrealgazette.com/business/local-business/electronic-arts-to-create-500-jobs-in-montreal-after-getting-tax-creditsThat doesn't mean that Kotaku can't be right... but I still think it indicates the existence of a clear bias in the gaming industry to largely report things mostly from a negative perspective when it's about EA and Bioware. I honestly can't remember when I last saw a truly positive article about Bioware in the gaming media. During the Q&A of the earnings call, EA apparently indicated that they were moving (or had moved) Bioware Montreal to be in the same building as their other Montreal operations. There can be a number of business reasons for such things that would not necessarily be related to the performance of ME:A. Plus again moving personell around by the needs for the company makes perfect sense and is either SOP or where EA is going in recent years.
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Post by bizantura on Jul 29, 2017 9:09:36 GMT
I am glad MEA isn't the "boondoggle" it was made out by many, journalist and gamers alike. Never the less subjective, scuttlebutt is more real than reality seems to be these days. Curtious banter, friendly discussions are increasingly more difficult. Diversity here and diversity there unless we don't look and feel the same!!! Being a carbon copy molded by society isn't diversity. Diversity can kiss my ass. Bioware complied in spades by inserting copy carbon Asari. Money saving too, yay....
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