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Post by jaegerbane on Aug 2, 2017 11:01:30 GMT
I'm simply questioning his account because it doesn't match what's actually happening, at least not in the way he described. But it does. Dude, I really can't be bothered to go through another one of these 'black is white' arguments. When you downsize something, or scale down something, or reduce it in any shape or form, you mean that it is being made less. You do not mean that you are adding it to another entity in its entirety and then expanding that entity. If a company goes bust it is not referred to as 'being downsized'. If I consolidate debts that does not mean I've paid up. If I say I'm going to eat less then I'm clearly not doing that if I simply shift all the same food to the end of the day. Now, if he didn't actually know that was what was happening - and he'd just been told 'ermahgerd they're dropping like flies'... then fair enough, but then that becomes a question of how much authority his source actually has. Inside of an NDA, stuff like this would have been common knowledge amongst the devs. If he did know it was happening but chose to represent it in a one-sided fashion (i.e. THEY'RE DOWNSIZING THE OFFICE (because they're moving us to a bigger one and merging with another studio)) then I can't be sure what else he chose to massage for his article. This goes back to all that stuff you were going on about how 'by 'never' he just meant 'during an <arbitrary time period I've made up>''. You're reading what you want him to say. And I really don't care what your impression of the article is, I'm interested in what it actually says vs what is happening.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Aug 2, 2017 11:06:13 GMT
Anyone who thinks this forum is too negative and biased against BioWare and so on has clearly not been around for very long. I started on BSN just after ME3, imagine if you will the carnage. Yeah. Anyone who thinks the BSN is upset with ME:A should have seen it on March 6th 2012. Dozens of threads about the endings were created every second. I don't think I have ever seen a forum move that fast or that angrily. No game will ever be able to top that reception. What MEA got was tame by comparison. Hell, even with that mess it got dlc.
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Post by cypherj on Aug 2, 2017 11:07:57 GMT
I don't know why people are calling this a merger, it's not a merger. A merger would be if EA and Bioware weren't already affiliated and decided to get together, and now you have two CEOs, two CFO, two Chairman of the board, etc, etc.
All these developers already work for EA. They were going hire 100 people, knew they couldn't fit them all in their current facility, so they built a new one and put all teams in the city there.
The only question is...
A) Are the teams just sharing a building?
or
B) Were Bioware Montreal developers reduced or completely absorbed by EA Motive.
If it's B, Bioware Montreal was reduced and assigned to EA Motive to work on an a new IP, those developers aren't going to be coming back to work on anything for Bioware for a long time, if ever.
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Post by jaegerbane on Aug 2, 2017 11:23:35 GMT
I don't know why people are calling this a merger, it's not a merger. A merger would be if EA and Bioware weren't already affiliated and decided to get together, and now you have two CEOs, two CFO, two Chairman of the board, etc, etc. Shorthand, I'd assume. Technically what you're talking about is a corporate merger, but the concept of a 'merger between two teams' is reasonably well-known. As for A or B - tbh, since they're already employees of the same company, I'm not sure what the difference between them is. I very much doubt they'll keep entire teams intact if you're bringing in two whole groups of new people.
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Post by cypherj on Aug 2, 2017 11:35:35 GMT
I don't know why people are calling this a merger, it's not a merger. A merger would be if EA and Bioware weren't already affiliated and decided to get together, and now you have two CEOs, two CFO, two Chairman of the board, etc, etc. Shorthand, I'd assume. Technically what you're talking about is a corporate merger, but the concept of a 'merger between two teams' is reasonably well-known. As for A or B - tbh, since they're already employees of the same company, I'm not sure what the difference between them is. I very much doubt they'll keep entire teams intact if you're bringing in two whole groups of new people. It's a huge difference. One would mean that Bioware Montreal is still fully functioning team capable of working on larger projects and the other means that they don't have the staff for anything more than small support projects.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 11:48:24 GMT
I don't know why people are calling this a merger, it's not a merger. A merger would be if EA and Bioware weren't already affiliated and decided to get together, and now you have two CEOs, two CFO, two Chairman of the board, etc, etc. All these developers already work for EA. They were going hire 100 people, knew they couldn't fit them all in their current facility, so they built a new one and put all teams in the city there. The only question is... A) Are the teams just sharing a building? or Were Bioware Montreal developers reduced or completely absorbed by EA Motive. If it's B, Bioware Montreal was reduced and assigned to EA Motive to work on an a new IP, those developers aren't going to be coming back to work on anything for Bioware for a long time, if ever. The second probably. In their latest rep, they stated Hudson is at the head of Bioware Edmonton and Austin, Montreal not even being mentioned.
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Post by jaegerbane on Aug 2, 2017 12:14:06 GMT
Shorthand, I'd assume. Technically what you're talking about is a corporate merger, but the concept of a 'merger between two teams' is reasonably well-known. As for A or B - tbh, since they're already employees of the same company, I'm not sure what the difference between them is. I very much doubt they'll keep entire teams intact if you're bringing in two whole groups of new people. It's a huge difference. One would mean that Bioware Montreal is still fully functioning team capable of working on larger projects and the other means that they don't have the staff for anything more than small support projects. Well, they did say it was being 'merged', which would be a strange term to use for 'sharing an office'. He might have been talking purely about real estate though, but I doubt it. Having said that, I'm not sure its either. It sounds like they're basically consolidating their entire Montreal presence into a single studio, but I'd assume the teams are kept together as there's not a lot to gain for breaking up that many people when they're all in the same building.
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Post by Sartoz on Aug 2, 2017 12:50:05 GMT
-(_MEA_)-
And that is how EA gets rid of unprofitable studios.
Negative reviews, clearly, torpedoed the EA CEO's expectations of 3M sales during the first week. The studio had one primary goal... make up for ME3's ending fiasco. It failed in a spectacular fashion, mainly due to the wonky cinematics.
The result was expected ( to me anyway)... chop-chop Montreal.
Now, does anyone here think that Anthem is a MUST_BE_SUCCESS story?
Looking beyond Anthem is DA4 and FB has never been kind to RPG designs. DAI proved it was difficult to code. MEA proved it was difficult to code (internet articles). I wonder what ML has in mind for the fourth DA game.
EDIT: A magic action shooter?
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 2, 2017 13:00:55 GMT
-(_MEA_)-
And that is how EA gets rid of unprofitable studios.
Negative reviews, clearly, torpedoed the EA CEO's expectations of 3M sales during the first week. The studio had one primary goal... make up for ME3's ending fiasco. It failed in a spectacular fashion, mainly due to the wonky cinematics.
The result was expected ( to me anyway)... chop-chop Montreal.
Now, does anyone here think that Anthem is a MUST_BE_SUCCESS story?
Looking beyond Anthem is DA4 and FB has never been kind to RPG designs. DAI proved it was difficult to code. MEA proved it was difficult to code (internet articles). I wonder what ML has in mind for the fourth DA game.
EDIT: A magic action shooter?
I think a lot of those difficulties will be mitigated by the time we get to Dragon Age 4. I suspect that we will see a lot more work poured into it due to the criticisms we have seen so far.
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Post by fchopin on Aug 2, 2017 13:05:07 GMT
-(_MEA_)-
And that is how EA gets rid of unprofitable studios.
Negative reviews, clearly, torpedoed the EA CEO's expectations of 3M sales during the first week. The studio had one primary goal... make up for ME3's ending fiasco. It failed in a spectacular fashion, mainly due to the wonky cinematics.
The result was expected ( to me anyway)... chop-chop Montreal.
Now, does anyone here think that Anthem is a MUST_BE_SUCCESS story?
Looking beyond Anthem is DA4 and FB has never been kind to RPG designs. DAI proved it was difficult to code. MEA proved it was difficult to code (internet articles). I wonder what ML has in mind for the fourth DA game.
EDIT: A magic action shooter?
I would not surprised if Bioware stops making RPG's in a few years. The only salvation i see is Casey Hudson maybe trying to stop this from happening.
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Post by foxhole on Aug 2, 2017 13:08:52 GMT
Someone on Twitter: Is there any chance of an Xbox One X patch for Mass Effect Andromeda? Ian S. Frazier: No idea, sorry. I'm no longer with BioWare, but you could ask someone in Edmonton.
So Frazier is no longer with Bioware and questions about Andromeda are answering folks at Edmonton. Interesting. I think Montreal is really dead.
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Post by correctamundo on Aug 2, 2017 13:10:10 GMT
Negative reviews, clearly, torpedoed the EA CEO's expectations of 3M sales during the first week.
Clearly? So exactly how many did they sell then?
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Post by corsair on Aug 2, 2017 13:11:31 GMT
Someone on Twitter: Is there any chance of an Xbox One X patch for Mass Effect Andromeda? Ian S. Frazier: No idea, sorry. I'm no longer with BioWare, but you could ask someone in Edmonton. So Frazier is no longer with Bioware and questions about Andromeda are answering folks at Edmonton. Interesting. I think Montreal is really dead. Well, confirmed at last. Seems that Edmonton has the ME franchise now.
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 2, 2017 13:12:51 GMT
Someone on Twitter: Is there any chance of an Xbox One X patch for Mass Effect Andromeda? Ian S. Frazier: No idea, sorry. I'm no longer with BioWare, but you could ask someone in Edmonton. So Frazier is no longer with Bioware and questions about Andromeda are answering folks at Edmonton. Interesting. I think Montreal is really dead. Well, confirmed at last. Seems that Edmonton has the ME franchise now. So we will pick it up in 6 or so years then.
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Post by foxhole on Aug 2, 2017 13:19:06 GMT
Someone on Twitter: Is there any chance of an Xbox One X patch for Mass Effect Andromeda?
Ian S. Frazier: No idea, sorry. I'm no longer with BioWare, but you could ask someone in Edmonton.
So Frazier is no longer with Bioware and questions about Andromeda are answering folks at Edmonton. I think Montreal is really dead.
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Post by Jeremiah12LGeek on Aug 2, 2017 13:20:40 GMT
I guess there's always room for more threads about it.
Edit: This made more sense when it was the second post in a separate thread.
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Post by corsair on Aug 2, 2017 13:21:13 GMT
Someone on Twitter: Is there any chance of an Xbox One X patch for Mass Effect Andromeda? Ian S. Frazier: No idea, sorry. I'm no longer with BioWare, but you could ask someone in Edmonton. So Frazier is no longer with Bioware and questions about Andromeda are answering folks at Edmonton. I think Montreal is really dead. Yes, it seems so
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Post by jaegerbane on Aug 2, 2017 13:22:04 GMT
Someone on Twitter: Is there any chance of an Xbox One X patch for Mass Effect Andromeda? Ian S. Frazier: No idea, sorry. I'm no longer with BioWare, but you could ask someone in Edmonton. So Frazier is no longer with Bioware and questions about Andromeda are answering folks at Edmonton. Interesting. I think Montreal is really dead. Yikes, did his leaving just happen? I can't work out if Edmonton is just answering questions or whether they've been handling the MP up until now.
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Post by correctamundo on Aug 2, 2017 13:23:51 GMT
Someone on Twitter: Is there any chance of an Xbox One X patch for Mass Effect Andromeda? Ian S. Frazier: No idea, sorry. I'm no longer with BioWare, but you could ask someone in Edmonton. So Frazier is no longer with Bioware and questions about Andromeda are answering folks at Edmonton. Interesting. I think Montreal is really dead. Yup, they are slow to update their home page but Hudson is GM of Bioware Edmonton and Austin, no mention of Montreal. Bioware is hiring but only to Edmonton and Austin.
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Post by jaegerbane on Aug 2, 2017 13:27:01 GMT
Someone on Twitter: Is there any chance of an Xbox One X patch for Mass Effect Andromeda? Ian S. Frazier: No idea, sorry. I'm no longer with BioWare, but you could ask someone in Edmonton. So Frazier is no longer with Bioware and questions about Andromeda are answering folks at Edmonton. Interesting. I think Montreal is really dead. Yup, they are slow to update their home page but Hudson is GM of Bioware Edmonton and Austin, no mention of Montreal. Bioware is hiring but only to Edmonton and Austin. Yeah, that would make sense as the described 100+ coming in alongside Montreal'ers would have been hired under Motive.
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Post by bigbad on Aug 2, 2017 13:28:05 GMT
Someone on Twitter: Is there any chance of an Xbox One X patch for Mass Effect Andromeda? Ian S. Frazier: No idea, sorry. I'm no longer with BioWare, but you could ask someone in Edmonton. So Frazier is no longer with Bioware and questions about Andromeda are answering folks at Edmonton. Interesting. I think Montreal is really dead. Yikes, did his leaving just happen? I can't work out if Edmonton is just answering questions or whether they've been handling the MP up until now. His follow up tweet from justa couple minutes ago: "Oh, I'm still around. Just with EA Motive now, that's all. Can't talk about what I'm working on yet, though."
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Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2017 13:29:22 GMT
I guess there's always room for more threads about it. You know what this place is like. Each topic has to have at least 3 threads about it, all saying the same things with the same people in them...
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Aug 2, 2017 13:29:41 GMT
Bu.... But.... But MEA is my favoritest game evar! It had to have sold well i luvs it, me precious!
This is rather satisfying, frankly. That studio sucked ass.
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Post by BadgerladDK on Aug 2, 2017 13:35:18 GMT
Someone on Twitter: Is there any chance of an Xbox One X patch for Mass Effect Andromeda? Ian S. Frazier: No idea, sorry. I'm no longer with BioWare, but you could ask someone in Edmonton. So Frazier is no longer with Bioware and questions about Andromeda are answering folks at Edmonton. Interesting. I think Montreal is really dead. And Ian's follow-up answer, just for the "it's not a merger" crowd: "I'm with EA Motive now, following the recent merger. Not much to say beyond that at the moment, since the game I'm on now is unannounced"
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