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Post by Qolx on Jul 30, 2017 22:37:46 GMT
Hello, BSN colleagues! I guess I have to post a few clarifications here: Croatsky I am also an investor. The statement you made in the thread you linked is absolutely wrong. The redditor that came to your "defense" was talking about development costs, not investments. She or he was talking about something completely different. You were wrong. kino Yes, merging two separate subsidiaries with different tax, debt, etc liabilities would at least be reviewed under Canada's Competition Act; there are also tax incentives that may or may not apply, debt obligations, organizational structure, and other legal considerations. However, my point is that it is probably more beneficial for EA to keep BioWare Corp and Motive as distinct and separate entities. BW Montreal is a division of BioWare Corp. It'd be easier for EA to simply tell BW to order BW Montreal to work for Motive. Listen, I don't care if you people are dedicated and hopeful but at least take the time to understand how things work.
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 30, 2017 22:47:34 GMT
So am I running for the hills or not? This forum's so confusing. To the best of my knowledge, Bioware Montreal (a studio that was shut down months ago) has now been increased in size and moved into a new office, which in troll land means the opposite of every aspect. I think. I was under the impression the new people were hired for EA Motive, which is a new studio they are building. Bioware will function as an subordinate developer working on Motive's own projects. Or at least that it sounds like from Bioware official note: "With our BioWare and Motive teams sharing studio space in Montreal, we have BioWare team members joining Motive projects that are underway. We’re also ramping up teams on other BioWare projects in development."
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Post by SofNascimento on Jul 30, 2017 22:49:10 GMT
Hey dude, I hope you don't mind me quoting you here. I thought the elegant thing to do was to send you a message on reddit but then I thought it wasn't needed.
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Post by colfoley on Jul 30, 2017 22:52:25 GMT
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Post by Qolx on Jul 30, 2017 22:59:39 GMT
Hey dude, I hope you don't mind me quoting you here. I thought the elegant thing to do was to send you a message on reddit but then I thought it wasn't needed. It's fine, thank you for the thought
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 30, 2017 23:01:39 GMT
Hello, BSN colleagues! I guess I have to post a few clarifications here: Croatsky I am also an investor. The statement you made in the thread you linked is absolutely wrong. The redditor that came to your "defense" was talking about development costs, not investments. She or he was talking about something completely different. You were wrong. kino Yes, merging two separate subsidiaries with different tax, debt, etc liabilities would at least be reviewed under Canada's Competition Act; there are also tax incentives that may or may not apply, debt obligations, organizational structure, and other legal considerations. However, my point is that it is probably more beneficial for EA to keep BioWare Corp and Motive as distinct and separate entities. BW Montreal is a division of BioWare Corp. It'd be easier for EA to simply tell BW to order BW Montreal to work for Motive. Listen, I don't care if you people are dedicated and hopeful but at least take the time to understand how things work. We'll take as much time as you took to explain how Croatsky was wrong. Which was none. LoL some rando on the internet comes onto a forum and... what... folks are supposed to be impressed or something?
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Post by kino on Jul 30, 2017 23:02:11 GMT
It's based on someone repeating a small part of a statement the CFO made during the Q&A. Here's the full CFO statement; Q: I was wondering, can you tease out what you mentioned earlier on the step-up in OpEx maybe on the R&D side with the new genres. And perhaps how much of the increase is more a timing issue versus a higher run rate for R&D? A: So we will have a slightly higher run rate for R&D. We're building out a new studio in Montréal, as we've told everyone. And we've hired over 100 people into that studio that are brand-new to EA. This is to build the new IP around Jade Raymond's team that she's been building. I was in that studio last month. And it's a wonderful new addition to our team. And we brought our BioWare Montréal team into that same facility. So they now all sit in one new studio together. We're obviously investing in Anthem, which everyone got a chance to see at E3. That's out of the BioWare Edmonton team and are very excited -- they're very excited. We'll see some increases around that in terms of spending. And then we're continuing to invest across all of our network and platform activities. I don't see any of those going beyond the targets that we've talked about, trying to keep R&D expense in the 21% to 22% of revenue range, but it is -- the goal is to drive new revenue. And if for some reason we weren't able to drive new revenue, clearly, that would be overspending, but we're very confident that we can drive new revenue around the action genre and continuing live service build-out across all of our products. Yep, nothing there about divisional merger. And both divisions still publicize the separate entities and addresses on their websites: oh, and further: Q: Why do gaming websites have a comments section on their articles now? A: So that the initial level of stupid has further to go... Yeah, when I saw someone make the comment that Montreal was the, and this is from the comment, last remnant of Bioware left, other Bioware locations got merged with EA already over the last 3 years I realized that there's no sense in trying to comment on that particular site. It's just not worth the effort.
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Post by Qolx on Jul 30, 2017 23:07:37 GMT
@faceman My explanation (and another redditor's) is right there in that reddit thread Croatsky linked. Feel free to read it if you're interested. And no, you don't need to be impressed or anything of the sort. I explained why the OP (here and on reddit) were wrong about "merger" rumors.
BW Montreal still exists as a support studio and is working for EA Motive now. Jason Schreier's article seems to be highly accurate at least up to Jul 31 2017 (before Hudson replaces Flynn). That's all there is to it.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 30, 2017 23:11:22 GMT
Hello, BSN colleagues! I guess I have to post a few clarifications here: Croatsky I am also an investor. The statement you made in the thread you linked is absolutely wrong. The redditor that came to your "defense" was talking about development costs, not investments. She or he was talking about something completely different. You were wrong. kino Yes, merging two separate subsidiaries with different tax, debt, etc liabilities would at least be reviewed under Canada's Competition Act; there are also tax incentives that may or may not apply, debt obligations, organizational structure, and other legal considerations. However, my point is that it is probably more beneficial for EA to keep BioWare Corp and Motive as distinct and separate entities. BW Montreal is a division of BioWare Corp. It'd be easier for EA to simply tell BW to order BW Montreal to work for Motive. Listen, I don't care if you people are dedicated and hopeful but at least take the time to understand how things work. We'll take as much time as you took to explain how Croatsky was wrong. Which was none. LoL some rando on the internet comes onto a forum and... what... folks are supposed to be impressed or something? This. Is there anyway you can prove that your an investor? That's like saying, "I have three sources that prove there won't be any dlc."
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Post by kino on Jul 30, 2017 23:13:32 GMT
Hello, BSN colleagues! I guess I have to post a few clarifications here: Croatsky I am also an investor. The statement you made in the thread you linked is absolutely wrong. The redditor that came to your "defense" was talking about development costs, not investments. She or he was talking about something completely different. You were wrong. kino Yes, merging two separate subsidiaries with different tax, debt, etc liabilities would at least be reviewed under Canada's Competition Act; there are also tax incentives that may or may not apply, debt obligations, organizational structure, and other legal considerations. However, my point is that it is probably more beneficial for EA to keep BioWare Corp and Motive as distinct and separate entities. BW Montreal is a division of BioWare Corp. It'd be easier for EA to simply tell BW to order BW Montreal to work for Motive. Listen, I don't care if you people are dedicated and hopeful but at least take the time to understand how things work. No, it wouldn't. M&A procedures don't exist for two wholly owned subsidiaries of EA. If EA wanted to fold BioWare Montreal into Motive it would simply dissolve the studio and reassign the employees. That's it. The Competition Act is to prevent monopolization of an industry and promote competition. Since BioWare and Motive are owned by EA this wouldn't be a monopolization of an industry. How things work...geebus.
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Post by linksocarina on Jul 30, 2017 23:14:48 GMT
Just out of interest, why is Bioware Montreal the only studio who could produce DLC? No but it was what they were known for since 2010. Andromeda was their first big game...
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Post by Qolx on Jul 30, 2017 23:37:24 GMT
Hello, BSN colleagues! I guess I have to post a few clarifications here: Croatsky I am also an investor. The statement you made in the thread you linked is absolutely wrong. The redditor that came to your "defense" was talking about development costs, not investments. She or he was talking about something completely different. You were wrong. kino Yes, merging two separate subsidiaries with different tax, debt, etc liabilities would at least be reviewed under Canada's Competition Act; there are also tax incentives that may or may not apply, debt obligations, organizational structure, and other legal considerations. However, my point is that it is probably more beneficial for EA to keep BioWare Corp and Motive as distinct and separate entities. BW Montreal is a division of BioWare Corp. It'd be easier for EA to simply tell BW to order BW Montreal to work for Motive. Listen, I don't care if you people are dedicated and hopeful but at least take the time to understand how things work. No, it wouldn't. M&A procedures don't exist for two wholly owned subsidiaries of EA. If EA wanted to fold BioWare Montreal into Motive it would simply dissolve the studio and reassign the employees. That's it. The Competition Act is to prevent monopolization of an industry and promote competition. Since BioWare and Motive are owned by EA this wouldn't be a monopolization of an industry. How things work...geebus. No, you are wrong. EA can and has merged two wholly owned subsidiaries before: arstechnica.com/gaming/2009/06/ea-combines-bioware-and-mythic-into-new-rpgmmo-group/kotaku.com/5302069/ea-combines-mythic-and-bioware-into-a-giant-rpg-robotwww.gamasutra.com/view/news/115171/Interview_Muzyka_On_EAs_New_BioWareMythic_RPG_TeamUp.phpTechnically, a consolidation but the point applies. Edit: I made a reading comprehension error there. My mistake. You are correct. EA can dissolve BW Montreal and reassign the employees to Motive. I already said there's little reason to do that. EA can just put them in the same building and have them work the same projects. Exactly what they did.
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Post by kino on Jul 30, 2017 23:54:14 GMT
Quite aware of BW and Mythic, it happened in 2009, and it proves my point. No regulatory approval needed for two wholly owned subsidiaries of the same company. It's not an M&A in the sense of separate companies becoming one entity, it's subsidiary consolidation. You seem to be ignoring the Acquisition part behind Mergers and Acquisition (M&A). Check with an independent expert if you want. I'd recommend it.
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Post by SofaJockey on Jul 30, 2017 23:54:26 GMT
Hello, BSN colleagues! I guess I have to post a few clarifications here: Croatsky I am also an investor. The statement you made in the thread you linked is absolutely wrong. The redditor that came to your "defense" was talking about development costs, not investments. She or he was talking about something completely different. You were wrong. kino Yes, merging two separate subsidiaries with different tax, debt, etc liabilities would at least be reviewed under Canada's Competition Act; there are also tax incentives that may or may not apply, debt obligations, organizational structure, and other legal considerations. However, my point is that it is probably more beneficial for EA to keep BioWare Corp and Motive as distinct and separate entities. BW Montreal is a division of BioWare Corp. It'd be easier for EA to simply tell BW to order BW Montreal to work for Motive. Listen, I don't care if you people are dedicated and hopeful but at least take the time to understand how things work. We'll take as much time as you took to explain how Croatsky was wrong. Which was none. LoL some rando on the internet comes onto a forum and... what... folks are supposed to be impressed or something? Qolx was behind the Sinclair Networks de-scamming, so I'm already impressed. Either way, if I understand it correctly, there's no evidence here of corporate entity merger. And the extent to which one division sub-contracts resource to another (temporarily or entirely) is not going to be in the public domain. So all we're doing here is reflecting our own preconceptions, yes?
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on Jul 30, 2017 23:58:32 GMT
We'll take as much time as you took to explain how Croatsky was wrong. Which was none. LoL some rando on the internet comes onto a forum and... what... folks are supposed to be impressed or something? Qolx was behind the Sinclair Networks de-scamming, so I'm already impressed. If he's going to impress me, he's going to have to be less condescending in his posts.
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Post by kino on Jul 31, 2017 0:02:40 GMT
Qolx was behind the Sinclair Networks de-scamming, so I'm already impressed. If he's going to impress me, he's going to have to be less condescending in his posts. Seconded.
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Post by griffith82 on Jul 31, 2017 0:14:21 GMT
So much crow to be eaten. That day is coming. Oh it will be one fine one at that. That's not a very healthy attitude. Would you like people to deride you for being wrong about something? Pfft if I ate crow for every time I've been wrong in my life.....😉😁
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Post by Qolx on Jul 31, 2017 0:16:06 GMT
I'm sorry if my posting style comes across as conceited. I'll be less blunt and use more smileys if that helps @andrew Waples you'll have to give me the same benefit of the doubt given to the guy "defending" Croatsky. They never proved they were an investor, either. kino Correct. The regulatory aspect is only one part. There are also financial considerations such as how debt would be restructured, accounting practices, any potential liabilities, outstanding contractual obligations, etc. Lawyer stuff (disclosure: I ain't a lawyer). It's not just a matter of saying "you two are merged." These things need to be structured properly. M&A is the topic. I'm ignoring the acquisition part because there is no acquisition here only "merger" rumors. Mergers or acquisitions can be independent of one another. SofaJockey Exactly! This is subcontracting handled internally whatever way EA sets up its accounting practices.
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Post by kino on Jul 31, 2017 0:39:44 GMT
I'm sorry if my posting style comes across as conceited. I'll be less blunt and use more smileys if that helps kino Correct. The regulatory aspect is only one part. There are also financial considerations such as how debt would be restructured, accounting practices, any potential liabilities, outstanding contractual obligations, etc. Lawyer stuff (disclosure: I ain't a lawyer). It's not just a matter of saying "you two are merged." These things need to be structured properly. M&A is the topic. I'm ignoring the acquisition part because there is no acquisition here only "merger" rumors. Mergers or acquisitions can be independent of one another. SofaJockey Exactly! This is subcontracting handled internally whatever way EA sets up its accounting practices. You're own your own. If you're an investor then you should get whoever manages your portfolio to explain this to you.
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Post by Qolx on Jul 31, 2017 0:48:42 GMT
I'm sorry if my posting style comes across as conceited. I'll be less blunt and use more smileys if that helps kino Correct. The regulatory aspect is only one part. There are also financial considerations such as how debt would be restructured, accounting practices, any potential liabilities, outstanding contractual obligations, etc. Lawyer stuff (disclosure: I ain't a lawyer). It's not just a matter of saying "you two are merged." These things need to be structured properly. M&A is the topic. I'm ignoring the acquisition part because there is no acquisition here only "merger" rumors. Mergers or acquisitions can be independent of one another. SofaJockey Exactly! This is subcontracting handled internally whatever way EA sets up its accounting practices. You're own your own. If you're an investor then you should get whoever manages your portfolio to explain this to you. Sorry, I don't follow. I know what M&As are. Here is a brief explanation. I brought up M&A because that is the topic under which this and reddit's discussions fall. In any event, this thread is somewhat derailed so let me briefly summarize my point: BW Montreal is a division of BW Corp. BWM is currently a support studio assigned to EA Motive projects. No merger has taken place. Well, GoT starts in a few mins. Later, folks!
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Post by maximusarael020 on Jul 31, 2017 1:10:20 GMT
Whelp, I don't really have much to add, just that reading the OP only gives me the impression that EA consolidated their studios in Montreal to one building instead of separate buildings. I don't think that means that Bioware Montreal has been absorbed by EA Motive. Nothing in what anyone from EA has said suggests that that is true.
There's a strip mall in town here. There's both a Gamestop and a Qdoba in the same building, but I don't think they're owned by the same people.
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Post by kino on Jul 31, 2017 1:12:12 GMT
You're own your own. If you're an investor then you should get whoever manages your portfolio to explain this to you. Sorry, I don't follow. I know what M&As are. Here is a brief explanation. I brought up M&A because that is the topic under which this and reddit's discussions fall. In any event, this thread is somewhat derailed so let me briefly summarize my point: BW Montreal is a division of BW Corp. BWM is currently a support studio assigned to EA Motive projects. No merger has taken place. Well, GoT starts in a few mins. Later, folks! There is no BioWare Corp. Hasn't been since EA bought them out. To be clear, I don't believe you know what you're talking about.
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Post by Warrick on Jul 31, 2017 1:16:09 GMT
it sounds like BioWare Montreal still exists, at least in name. Much like Bioware itself. It still exists, at least in name.
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Post by Andrew Waples on Jul 31, 2017 1:34:25 GMT
I'm sorry if my posting style comes across as conceited. I'll be less blunt and use more smileys if that helps @andrew Waples you'll have to give me the same benefit of the doubt given to the guy "defending" Croatsky. Interesting...answer. If it's a confidential thing, I'll understand. However, I got burned in believing that the Sinclare Networks hoax was real, because it looked real. It turned for the better but you have to understand, I now carry a bucket of skeptism, now when it comes to these kinds of things.
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Post by Qolx on Jul 31, 2017 3:53:27 GMT
kino Your disbelief is immaterial. You have already shown me you have very limited knowledge about the topic. Here is the 2012 SEC EDGAR archive for EA; click on SUBSIDIARIES OF THE REGISTRANT link and the first item you'll see is BioWare ULC. Check out Form 10-K, that's the official form of the EA shareholders's annual report people love to "parse" around here. Here is a Bloomberg overview of BioWare ULC. Subsidiary. It exists as a legal entity. Anyways, I'm tired of this nonsense. Nice chatting with you Andrew Waples That is a healthy attitude. I respect it and recommend it. It's a privacy issue. I'm just a regular 9-5 Joe that invests, nothing fancy.
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