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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 5, 2017 2:42:18 GMT
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Post by mannyray on Aug 5, 2017 2:48:55 GMT
After looking at the body model for Ryder, I don't see any sort of "uglification" from the real person to the cgi rendering. The only thing I see is that she looks so different because the cgi isn't wearing much, if any makeup. Those who want to don the tinfoil hat can soothe the hurt by going in the character editor ingame and slap all the rouge, eyeliner, lipgloss, etc. on her and there ya go!
Why is no one up in arms about how the Asari look now? Even in ME 1-3 they all looked alike (with a few exceptions) but they looked very exotic in their beauty. In this game they look very ordinary and unmemorable in the face, except for the lone variant PeeBee who's really cute. If any characters may have been victims of uglification on purpose it was the Asari.
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Post by bshep on Aug 5, 2017 2:54:12 GMT
You know i just realized... We NEVER have this conversation about men in Bioware games. It isn't because they're super-hunks, either - because they most assuredly aren't. The only male character in all of ME that I think is hunkworthy is Kaidan. Look at all of the other prominent male characters - Anderson, Hackett, Bailey, Joker, all of the male squaddies and crew members - there's not a looker in the lot of them aside from Kaidan. They're all just average looking fellas (though if they were women, they'd be called fugly). But you're right - nobody complains about male looks. It's only the females who are heavily scrutinized and raked over the coals repeatedly. There must be a conspiracy here somewhere. Sheploo is pretty too, don't forget him.
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The Asari are victims of cost-cutting, lol. Maybe that's a microcosm of the entire game, including human facial appearances.
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Post by slimgrin727 on Aug 5, 2017 2:57:04 GMT
Have to be honest here. ME2 was the last game where Bioware did great character design. Everything after that seems subpar...or confused.
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Post by bshep on Aug 5, 2017 3:07:44 GMT
Have to be honest here. ME2 was the last game where Bioware did great character design. Everything after that seems subpar...or confused. Ew...
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Post by jamiecotc on Aug 5, 2017 3:18:10 GMT
BW took a lot of heat for the likes of Miranda, some stating that although she was a great character, her costume was laughable. They took they same heat for Morrigan's appearance in DA:O too. The thing is BW LOVES to overcorrect. So, when they take heat for something, they either cut it out or refashion it. For the record, I thought Cassandras was gorgeous.
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Post by ruggly on Aug 5, 2017 3:28:45 GMT
I thought Cassandras was gorgeous. I agree. I would love to have that facial structure
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Post by mannyray on Aug 5, 2017 4:14:16 GMT
The Asari are victims of cost-cutting, lol. Maybe that's a microcosm of the entire game, including human facial appearances. I'd lay money on cost being the first reason, as that was probably why they all looked alike in ME 1-3, but why not just use the same facial model from the original trilogy then? It would have involved less cost than making this new Asari face that's exceedingly bland.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 5, 2017 4:30:41 GMT
Honestly, this is why more people don't bother voicing their opinions anymore. Arguing that certain standards for beauty exist in the world is stupid because every already knows it's true.
But that doesn't stop some loud mouth individuals from arguing agaisnt it and trying to demonizing people for thinking it. This is why the term SJW gets thrown around an insult now. Yes, attractiveness is subjective to some degree. But its not to the degree you are trying to make it out to be. If you are ugly there's not someone out there who finds you beautiful. There are lines for beauty and ugliness that are universal. If you put a model from one country in another one, chances are that everyone will still find her beautiful. And if you take a fat, cropped hair American to Asia, everyone's going to still agree that she's ugly. Sorry, I know that's to politically correct, but it is a fact. So why do we have to make games with ugly LI to make some people more comfortable about their body image? Standards for the beauty that you define as pretty are wrong - IF you plan on including everyone in the world. Standards never are the same from nation to nation -they are different in each society -unless you think society is a stagnant cess pool. No matter if SJW is thrown my way in a sort of insult -which if it is thank you -for it just proves the invalidity of stating that there is only a single standard for beauty. Really?Ever hear the phrase: "There is someone for everyone"?. Depending on the culture the lines for beauty that you claim as "universal" do indeed change. For beginning instance -some Asian cultures HATE tans and don't tell me that most models -in America at least don't have a tan. Yes it is wrong even in Asia to say a pretty model would be seen the same as one in America per se: Again Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and beholdee. As now I was forced to prove the statures of beauty you claim as stone in societies around the world are NOT THE SAME EVERYWHERE! Also I don't understand how a LI that in your opinion is seen as ugly would be needed to be made pretty by your definition... Just to make someone comfortable in their own body image... unless they believe in themselves so little that a game will change them. Still seriously though in either case would it not just de-affirm it instead of conforming it?
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Post by bshep on Aug 5, 2017 4:39:18 GMT
The Asari are victims of cost-cutting, lol. Maybe that's a microcosm of the entire game, including human facial appearances. I'd lay money on cost being the first reason, as that was probably why they all looked alike in ME 1-3, but why not just use the same facial model from the original trilogy then? It would have involved less cost than making this new Asari face that's exceedingly bland. A diferent engine was used in ME1-2-3. They had to recreate things for frostbite.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 5, 2017 5:02:44 GMT
I'd lay money on cost being the first reason, as that was probably why they all looked alike in ME 1-3, but why not just use the same facial model from the original trilogy then? It would have involved less cost than making this new Asari face that's exceedingly bland. A diferent engine was used in ME1-2-3. They had to recreate things for frostbite. Makes sense, but why not just leave the Asari appearance as close as possible to the original trilogy for the sake of continuity? I'm not seeing the thought process behind the blah-faced Asari.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 5, 2017 5:06:33 GMT
Honestly, this is why more people don't bother voicing their opinions anymore. Arguing that certain standards for beauty exist in the world is stupid because every already knows it's true.
But that doesn't stop some loud mouth individuals from arguing agaisnt it and trying to demonizing people for thinking it. This is why the term SJW gets thrown around an insult now. Yes, attractiveness is subjective to some degree. But its not to the degree you are trying to make it out to be. If you are ugly there's not someone out there who finds you beautiful. There are lines for beauty and ugliness that are universal. If you put a model from one country in another one, chances are that everyone will still find her beautiful. And if you take a fat, cropped hair American to Asia, everyone's going to still agree that she's ugly. Sorry, I know that's to politically correct, but it is a fact. So why do we have to make games with ugly LI to make some people more comfortable about their body image? Standards for the beauty that you define as pretty are wrong - IF you plan on including everyone in the world. Standards never are the same from nation to nation -they are different in each society -unless you think society is a stagnant cess pool. No matter if SJW is thrown my way in a sort of insult -which if it is thank you -for it just proves the invalidity of stating that there is only a single standard for beauty. Really?Ever hear the phrase: "There is someone for everyone"?. Depending on the culture the lines for beauty that you claim as "universal" do indeed change. For beginning instance -some Asian cultures HATE tans and don't tell me that most models -in America at least don't have a tan. Yes it is wrong even in Asia to say a pretty model would be seen the same as one in America per se: Again Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and beholdee. As now I was forced to prove the statures of beauty you claim as stone in societies around the world are NOT THE SAME EVERYWHERE! Also I don't understand how a LI that in your opinion is seen as ugly would be needed to be made pretty by your definition... Just to make someone comfortable in their own body image... unless they believe in themselves so little that a game will change them. Still seriously though in either case would it not just de-affirm it instead of conforming it? You're discounting parallels in desirable facial symmetry, etc. Of course things like hair length, skin tone, among other things can vary from culture to culture, but there are too many common threads in attractiveness to dismiss the notion of attractiveness as 100% subjective.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 5:11:06 GMT
The Asari are victims of cost-cutting, lol. Maybe that's a microcosm of the entire game, including human facial appearances. I'd lay money on cost being the first reason, as that was probably why they all looked alike in ME 1-3, but why not just use the same facial model from the original trilogy then? It would have involved less cost than making this new Asari face that's exceedingly bland. bshep suggested the different engine. I'm not well versed with the inner-workings of game development. I'd think textures and models can be moved to another engine, but maybe it also depends on whether there's proprietary software involved or not. Either way you got a bunch of clones, and it's hard for me to see that cost-cutting wasn't involved.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 5, 2017 5:23:23 GMT
I'd lay money on cost being the first reason, as that was probably why they all looked alike in ME 1-3, but why not just use the same facial model from the original trilogy then? It would have involved less cost than making this new Asari face that's exceedingly bland. bshep suggested the different engine. I'm not well versed with the inner-workings of game development. I'd think textures and models can be moved to another engine, but maybe it also depends on whether there's proprietary software involved or not. Either way you got a bunch of clones, and it's hard for me to see that cost-cutting wasn't involved. I agree but that's not a reason to make them look like piefaced nobodies.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 5, 2017 5:27:25 GMT
I imagine the plan was to start with piefaced nobodies, and do individual faces later for the important ones.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 5, 2017 5:37:33 GMT
I imagine the plan was to start with piefaced nobodies, and do individual faces later for the important ones. It was basically the plan for the first three games, except the generic template was exotic and interesting looking. Why did they select the bland facial template for Asari this time around is the big question. The base Ryder is actually pretty.
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 5, 2017 6:00:26 GMT
Standards for the beauty that you define as pretty are wrong - IF you plan on including everyone in the world. Standards never are the same from nation to nation -they are different in each society -unless you think society is a stagnant cess pool. No matter if SJW is thrown my way in a sort of insult -which if it is thank you -for it just proves the invalidity of stating that there is only a single standard for beauty. Really?Ever hear the phrase: "There is someone for everyone"?. Depending on the culture the lines for beauty that you claim as "universal" do indeed change. For beginning instance -some Asian cultures HATE tans and don't tell me that most models -in America at least don't have a tan. Yes it is wrong even in Asia to say a pretty model would be seen the same as one in America per se: Again Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and beholdee. As now I was forced to prove the statures of beauty you claim as stone in societies around the world are NOT THE SAME EVERYWHERE! Also I don't understand how a LI that in your opinion is seen as ugly would be needed to be made pretty by your definition... Just to make someone comfortable in their own body image... unless they believe in themselves so little that a game will change them. Still seriously though in either case would it not just de-affirm it instead of conforming it? It seems you haven't traveled much. I grew up traveling for my parents job and currently have a job which allows me to travel wherever I please. Standards of beauty vary slightly from country to country, but the general overarching standards are the same everywhere. Sorry to burst your extreme leftist bubble. Let's use Miranda, BioWare's most attractive character, and Sera, their least attractive character, as examples. You take these two characters and ask everyone who is the attractive and who is the ugly one, you're going to get the same answers 95% of the time. The last 5% are people with ugly fetishes or Americans trying to make political statements. Sorry, life does not function the way you want it to, and you need to stop demonizing people for not buying into your distorted view.
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 5, 2017 6:17:46 GMT
Standards for the beauty that you define as pretty are wrong - IF you plan on including everyone in the world. Standards never are the same from nation to nation -they are different in each society -unless you think society is a stagnant cess pool. No matter if SJW is thrown my way in a sort of insult -which if it is thank you -for it just proves the invalidity of stating that there is only a single standard for beauty. Really?Ever hear the phrase: "There is someone for everyone"?. Depending on the culture the lines for beauty that you claim as "universal" do indeed change. For beginning instance -some Asian cultures HATE tans and don't tell me that most models -in America at least don't have a tan. Yes it is wrong even in Asia to say a pretty model would be seen the same as one in America per se: Again Beauty lies in the eyes of the beholder and beholdee. As now I was forced to prove the statures of beauty you claim as stone in societies around the world are NOT THE SAME EVERYWHERE! Also I don't understand how a LI that in your opinion is seen as ugly would be needed to be made pretty by your definition... Just to make someone comfortable in their own body image... unless they believe in themselves so little that a game will change them. Still seriously though in either case would it not just de-affirm it instead of conforming it? You're discounting parallels in desirable facial symmetry, etc. Of course things like hair length, skin tone, among other things can vary from culture to culture, but there are too many common threads in attractiveness to dismiss the notion of attractiveness as 100% subjective. You mean what is known in science as the golden ratio? Sorry I do not see its connection to facial symmetry as being evident to attractiveness: Attractiveness also is not just an external item but an internal thinking as well. Sure someone could be attracted physically to someone but without internal intellectual counterpart it is pointless to say that relationship will survive long term. Furthermore please define common threads.
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Post by setokaiba on Aug 5, 2017 6:34:02 GMT
I thought Cassandras was gorgeous. I agree. I would love to have that facial structure
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Aug 5, 2017 6:44:04 GMT
Miranda?
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Vivenne or go home.
If there's any salt from DAI that ruined Andromeda, it's just that Vivienne was too pretty and awesome to make out with any of our Inquisitors.
(Miranda has a real lighting issue that occasionally doesn't do her features any favors, a general problem in ME2. And Vivienne is insanely gorgeous.... You know, for my two cents.)
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Post by Atemporal Vanguardian-Debugger on Aug 5, 2017 6:47:42 GMT
It seems you haven't traveled much. I grew up traveling for my parents job and currently have a job which allows me to travel wherever I please. Standards of beauty vary slightly from country to country, but the general overarching standards are the same everywhere. Sorry to burst your extreme leftist bubble. Let's use Miranda, BioWare's most attractive character, and Sera, their least attractive character, as examples. You take these two characters and ask everyone who is the attractive and who is the ugly one, you're going to get the same answers 95% of the time. The last 5% are people with ugly fetishes or Americans trying to make political statements. Sorry, life does not function the way you want it to, and you need to stop demonizing people for not buying into your distorted view. Clever trying to put words into my mouth for I am not demonizing anyone nor am I someone who cares about politics -who should ever -its ruined anyway. I am simply stating that not everyone believes the same bloody standards for beauty -which you now confirm thank you. Nor the fact that beauty is all external but is also internal and an intellectual level. Can you say what goes on in the minds or what it is that actual attracts people beyond the physical? If you are saying that just since I don't have the same view as you on beauty that I am an extreme leftist or an ugly fetish... Well the same can be said of you having an extreme over abundance of flesh fetish if Miranda is your most attractive character. All I see is a character who someone designed to be "genetically perfect" -someone else had similar ideas -only they were realized -horribly. With a track record like that there is no way I can see that character as a beauty. Nevertheless life functions one way or the other. Also since I realize I have been trolled all along: Bet your happy now. Peace.
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Post by mannyray on Aug 5, 2017 6:50:13 GMT
You're discounting parallels in desirable facial symmetry, etc. Of course things like hair length, skin tone, among other things can vary from culture to culture, but there are too many common threads in attractiveness to dismiss the notion of attractiveness as 100% subjective. You mean what is known in science as the golden ratio? Sorry I do not see its connection to facial symmetry as being evident to attractiveness: Attractiveness also is not just an external item but an internal thinking as well. Sure someone could be attracted physically to someone but without internal intellectual counterpart it is pointless to say that relationship will survive long term. Furthermore please define common threads. Naughty Nomad addressed this above. As far as the golden ratio goes, things like facial symmetry, eye size, among other variables are common threads. I'm not going to spoonfeed you so this can turn into high school debate club where facts take a back seat to verbal/printed argumentative techniques. sure, things like skin tone, or hair length may have different notions of attractiveness throughout the world, but a thicknecked unibrow woman with crooked teeth is ugly the world over.
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Post by setokaiba on Aug 5, 2017 6:54:41 GMT
Miranda? Pfffffft. Vivenne or go home. If there's any salt from DAI that ruined Andromeda, it's just that Vivienne was too pretty and awesome to make out with any of our Inquisitors. (Miranda has a real lighting issue that occasionally doesn't do her features any favors, a general problem in ME2. And Vivienne is insanely gorgeous.... You know, for my two cents.) Vivenne would be Bioware best looking character if she had hair.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2017 7:05:57 GMT
bshep suggested the different engine. I'm not well versed with the inner-workings of game development. I'd think textures and models can be moved to another engine, but maybe it also depends on whether there's proprietary software involved or not. Either way you got a bunch of clones, and it's hard for me to see that cost-cutting wasn't involved. I agree but that's not a reason to make them look like piefaced nobodies. It can be for the same reason, or at least partly. Otherwise they're on par with the other species in the game that are bland compared to previous titles.
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