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Post by warrior on Aug 2, 2017 18:35:00 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_AlkonLOL Amy Alkon. Internet persona and advice columnist with not a single advanced degree in any relevant field. Seems legit. This blog post masquerading as psychological science is -- both intellectually and stylistically speaking -- the most mind-numbingly irritating thing I have read in months. I'm glad there's no voice recording, because I have a feeling I'd rather have molten glass poured into my ears than listen to Amy talk at me. I've read freshman composition papers with more intelligence, logic, and thoughtfulness invested. Haven't you posted about this before, and received the same responses from roughly the same people? At any rate, troll away.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 2, 2017 18:38:29 GMT
Why would i be primed to hate this game because of Sera or Cassandra?
Cassandra was over all brilliant and Sera was really fun.
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Post by Psychevore on Aug 2, 2017 18:43:53 GMT
Lol. Beauty is a cultural thing. That's not how their skulls grow naturally. That's what they turn them into because they think that is beauty. And there's people that elongate their necks, put huge disks in their lips or ears and many more 'strange' practises. Things you could've known if you got out of your tiny bubble of a world for once.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 2, 2017 18:51:18 GMT
Is it the hair OP? I wonder since you specifically mention two female characters with short hair and I know some people can't set their fire hose aflame without long flowing locks.
It's not a quota, there isn't a requirement to tick a "strong, powerful AND beautiful" female box female in every game. Actually, I can't think of a Bioware game that doesn't have a "strong, powerful AND beautiful" female in it.
On the topic of "strong, powerful AND beautiful" female characters, I adore both Yennefer and Cassandra, and if my Inquisitor could have romanced Cass she would have. She is extremely sexy with her accent and armour and swordplay. Yen is headstrong and confident, and those are traits I can relate to.
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Post by majesticjazz on Aug 2, 2017 18:55:38 GMT
I think there was a snowball effect of past Bioware transgressions that lead to the hate of MEA. It was sort of the tipping point for many people and it will be interesting to see how Bioware responds with DA4 without Gaider being the lead writer this time around. True. And I would add that for many hetero males, the beauty issue is one of those transgressions. Especially considering these factors: 1) Suvi was the "stereotypical" attractive female but could only romance other females. 2) Cora while attractive to me, does not fit the social standards of female beauty with long hair, makeup, and feminine personality. 3) Bioware seemingly went out of their way to "downgrade" the appearance of Sara Ryder compared to her RL model whereas Scott Ryder was near similar to his RL model.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 2, 2017 18:56:08 GMT
Is it the hair OP? I wonder since you specifically mention two female characters with short hair and I know some people can't set their fire hose aflame without long flowing locks. It's not a quota, there isn't a requirement to tick a "strong, powerful AND beautiful" female box female in every game. Actually, I can't think of a Bioware game that doesn't have a "strong, powerful AND beautiful" female in it. On the topic of "strong, powerful AND beautiful" female characters, I both adore Yennefer and Cassandra, and if my Inquisitor could have romanced Cass she would have. She is extremely sexy with her accent and armour and swordplay. Yen is headstrong and confident, and those are traits I can relate to. short hair is best hair.
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Post by kino on Aug 2, 2017 19:31:57 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_AlkonLOL Amy Alkon. Internet persona and advice columnist with not a single advanced degree in any relevant field. Seems legit. This blog post masquerading as psychological science is -- both intellectually and stylistically speaking -- the most mind-numbingly irritating thing I have read in months. I'm glad there's no voice recording, because I have a feeling I'd rather have molten glass poured into my ears than listen to Amy talk at me. I've read freshman composition papers with more intelligence, logic, and thoughtfulness invested. Haven't you posted about this before, and received the same responses from roughly the same people? At any rate, troll away. I knew I'd seen this subject before.
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Post by I'd rather be Mordin Solus on Aug 2, 2017 19:47:15 GMT
If looks didn't affect the bottom line, why is Women Woman beautiful? And Lara Croft etc.?
Bioware tried to go it alone with more realistic beauty standards and paid for it, but we are only allowed to talk about the bad animations etc.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Aug 2, 2017 20:05:19 GMT
Hetero Male here and I find Cassandra was the most interesting and overall most attractive Character in a Bioware game ever. Guess people like me who like strong yet feminine characters like Ellen Ripley in Aliens are bound to like Cassandra as well.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 2, 2017 20:07:36 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_AlkonLOL Amy Alkon. Internet persona and advice columnist with not a single advanced degree in any relevant field. Seems legit. This blog post masquerading as psychological science is -- both intellectually and stylistically speaking -- the most mind-numbingly irritating thing I have read in months. I'm glad there's no voice recording, because I have a feeling I'd rather have molten glass poured into my ears than listen to Amy talk at me. I've read freshman composition papers with more intelligence, logic, and thoughtfulness invested. Haven't you posted about this before, and received the same responses from roughly the same people? At any rate, troll away. I know it's not the point but I love that Easter egg. I have to do it in each play through.😁
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 2, 2017 20:18:41 GMT
I think that is why a lot of male gamers like to highten TW3 and bash Bioware. To them, TW3 IS the anti Bioware game for many reasons. I mean lets be honest, TW3 is aimed towards the hetero male gamer while games like DAI were geared towards everyone else. CDPR is sort of like the Bioware alter ego. I agree. W3 gave hetero men what they want. Naw, Ciri was fugly. She looked like a man. Plus, not bangable. /s
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 2, 2017 20:24:34 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amy_AlkonLOL Amy Alkon. Internet persona and advice columnist with not a single advanced degree in any relevant field. Seems legit. This blog post masquerading as psychological science is -- both intellectually and stylistically speaking -- the most mind-numbingly irritating thing I have read in months. I'm glad there's no voice recording, because I have a feeling I'd rather have molten glass poured into my ears than listen to Amy talk at me. I've read freshman composition papers with more intelligence, logic, and thoughtfulness invested. Haven't you posted about this before, and received the same responses from roughly the same people? At any rate, troll away. Hey, I tried to warn people.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 4:40:28 GMT
Get a woman and get the TnA from her, then you won't be concerned with having it your games.
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 3, 2017 5:40:59 GMT
Get a woman and get the TnA from her, then you won't be concerned with having it your games. That's retarded. Forgive the language, but it's true. Don't make the mistake of making dumb statements just because you think the opinion you're disagreeing with is wrong. I'm a married man, and so are several of my friends and family who like to play BioWare games. And we all thought the romance options for DA:I were subpar compared with what was offered in the past. I hope BioWare makes some more beautiful women in their next game. I'm tired of shaved heads, the side shaved hair styles, hair cut with a dagger, and short manly hair in their companions. They're seriously projecting their desires instead of getting a feel for what people actually want.
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Post by naughtynomad on Aug 3, 2017 5:43:43 GMT
Is it the hair OP? I wonder since you specifically mention two female characters with short hair and I know some people can't set their fire hose aflame without long flowing locks. It's not a quota, there isn't a requirement to tick a "strong, powerful AND beautiful" female box female in every game. Actually, I can't think of a Bioware game that doesn't have a "strong, powerful AND beautiful" female in it. On the topic of "strong, powerful AND beautiful" female characters, I both adore Yennefer and Cassandra, and if my Inquisitor could have romanced Cass she would have. She is extremely sexy with her accent and armour and swordplay. Yen is headstrong and confident, and those are traits I can relate to. short hair is best hair. They only do the short hair styles, because its easier to deal with. It's lazy game making. If they made longer, more attractive hair-styles they'd have to deal with helmets, helms, and hats and implementing hair physics.
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Post by colfoley on Aug 3, 2017 5:47:45 GMT
They only do the short hair styles, because its easier to deal with. It's lazy game making. If they made longer, more attractive hair-styles they'd have to deal with helmets, helms, and hats and implementing hair physics. ...but i prefer women With shorter hair styles. Attractively speaking
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 5:54:17 GMT
Get a woman and get the TnA from her, then you won't be concerned with having it your games. That's retarded. Forgive the language, but it's true. Don't make the mistake of making dumb statements just because you think the opinion you're disagreeing with is wrong. I'm a married man, and so are several of my friends and family who like to play BioWare games. And we all thought the romance options for DA:I were subpar compared with what was offered in the past. I hope BioWare makes some more beautiful women in their next game. I'm tired of shaved heads, the side shaved hair styles, hair cut with a dagger, and short manly hair in their companions. They're seriously projecting their desires instead of getting a feel for what people actually want. I think they do mostly lousy romances from what I've seen, but to each their own. The comment I made was narrow-minded, but it wasn't intended to be taken seriously. It was a teasing comment, hence the big smile.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 5:59:03 GMT
I try to have a little fun around here without getting serious.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Aug 3, 2017 13:17:39 GMT
They only do the short hair styles, because its easier to deal with. It's lazy game making. If they made longer, more attractive hair-styles they'd have to deal with helmets, helms, and hats and implementing hair physics. Nah, with Cassandra her hairstyle made perfect sense. She is definitely a function over form person, and for a warrior short hair is the best most practical hair style. And there is lots of beauty in practicality, I find short hair very attractive.
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Post by PillarBiter on Aug 3, 2017 13:56:33 GMT
I'll agree to the point that including a 'classic' beauty as a bangable option makes gamers less on edge.
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Post by Pounce de León on Aug 3, 2017 14:00:29 GMT
I'll agree to the point that including a 'classic' beauty as a bangable option makes gamers less on edge. I wouldn't consider elephants classic beauties, nor really bangable. I challenge you to try, I'd like to measure the ensuing edginess.
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Post by zanephiri on Aug 3, 2017 14:07:41 GMT
Okay but then shouldn't all straight men, by this logic, be defending da2? I mean isn't Isabela *the* most attractive available female character Bioware has created? And why does me3 get so many hateful comments while it has so many conventionally attractive female characters?
I'm kidding, obviously. But do I think a lack of long-haired women in da:i caused a backlash against me:a? No. Even among the most vocal and unreasonable haters of the game this isn't the issue I've heard the most. If anything, wouldn't it be more likely that me3's ending primed people to hate this game, rather than Cassandra's jawline?
Now should Bioware be mindful of including LIs straight men will find attractive? Yes, because they clearly see the romances as a selling point of their games, so obviously they should include LIs for all demographics. Of course then you can argue, what is a LI who would be universally attractive to straight men? And has Bioware not already tried to do that, after all they clearly did consider straight males for the Cora and Peebee sex scenes, and maybe a lot of men already feel they got what they wanted in da:i or me:a.
Also I agree that the short hair is definitely partially influenced by Bioware's... well let's say stylistic choice to not include long hair on any characters. (Seriously I can't think of any da:i or me:a characters with long hair - unless it's tied in a bun, which doesn't count.)
It's funny that now TW3 'gave men what they want', because I've seen a lot of complaints about Yennefer, which kinda shows that's it's all subjective in the end.
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Post by I'd rather be Mordin Solus on Aug 3, 2017 14:12:42 GMT
Okay but then shouldn't all straight men, by this logic, be defending da2? I mean isn't Isabela *the* most attractive available female character Bioware has created? And why does me3 get so many hateful comments while it has so many conventionally attractive female characters? I'm kidding, obviously. But do I think a lack of long-haired women in da:i caused a backlash against me:a? No. Even among the most vocal and unreasonable haters of the game this isn't the issue I've heard the most. If anything, wouldn't it be more likely that me3's ending primed people to hate this game, rather than Cassandra's jawline? Now should Bioware be mindful of including LIs straight men will find attractive? Yes, because they clearly see the romances as a selling point of their games, so obviously they should include LIs for all demographics. Of course then you can argue, what is a LI who would be universally attractive to straight men? And has Bioware not already tried to do that, after all they clearly did consider straight males for the Cora and Peebee sex scenes, and maybe a lot of men already feel they got what they wanted in da:i or me:a. Also I agree that the short hair is definitely partially influenced by Bioware's... well let's say stylistic choice to not include long hair on any characters. (Seriously I can't think of any da:i or me:a characters with long hair - unless it's tied in a bun, which doesn't count.) It's funny that now TW3 'gave men what they want', because I've seen a lot of complaints about Yennefer, which kinda shows that's it's all subjective in the end. We disagree on several points, but it's so nice to hear thoughtful comments:) Rock on Z!
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Post by I'd rather be Mordin Solus on Aug 3, 2017 14:17:22 GMT
Beauty is a source of power. Look at Justin Trudeau. True, too often, beauty is the only acceptable source of power for women, but to deny it as one of several sources was foolish on Bioware's part.
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