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Post by Dabrikishaw on Sept 21, 2016 20:00:51 GMT
Andromeda didn't do anything to make the original trilogy irrelevant. The first 3 games were one story. Andromeda is the start of another.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2016 20:19:26 GMT
QECs, that's why. Though I fully expect that Bioware will conveniently forget to outfit the most advanced fleet in the galaxy that will be traveling to another galaxy with the only real-time communication devices in existence. Because if they did that, the Milky Way would contact the crews of the Arks to tell them they won the war, to take an unfathomably large burden off of them. "Hey, you're no longer out last hope for survival, don't worry." Or, the Arks would contact the Milky Way after arriving. "Hey, we got here safe, if you're still out there." There's no excuse not to go over what happened during the war, or hell, how the current technological and political climate is in the Milky Way, hundreds of years later. But they still won't. In fact, if they did that, they'd also have to turn the ME:A trilogy(?) into a high-scifi world, because the Milky Way would forward them data on vastly improved tech. This is why I've always hated Andromeda as a setting. The game might even be good, but frankly: It makes no sense.Well, actually that's a pretty easy fix, one line of dialogue: "We lost contact with the Milky Way QECs within several months of departure, presumably their end was destroyed by the Reapers." Right on... the travellers to Andromeda don't really know why their communications got cut... and it's just too far (another 600 years in stasis) to go back just to satiate their curiosity (or ours). If the new story is a good one... personally, I'm not going to care at all if or how it might connect to the old one.
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Post by dmc1001 on Sept 22, 2016 3:25:20 GMT
I feel the same. If MEA is a decent storyline I won't care what state I left the Milky Way in. Though, since I typically choose Destroy, not much will have changed - except, I assume, humanity will have finally proven itself.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 22, 2016 3:54:38 GMT
How did Andromeda make the trilogy irrelevant? True. ME3 made the trilogy irrelevant. That's your opinion.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 22, 2016 5:28:31 GMT
QECs, that's why. Though I fully expect that Bioware will conveniently forget to outfit the most advanced fleet in the galaxy that will be traveling to another galaxy with the only real-time communication devices in existence. Because if they did that, the Milky Way would contact the crews of the Arks to tell them they won the war, to take an unfathomably large burden off of them. "Hey, you're no longer out last hope for survival, don't worry." Or, the Arks would contact the Milky Way after arriving. "Hey, we got here safe, if you're still out there." There's no excuse not to go over what happened during the war, or hell, how the current technological and political climate is in the Milky Way, hundreds of years later. But they still won't. In fact, if they did that, they'd also have to turn the ME:A trilogy(?) into a high-scifi world, because the Milky Way would forward them data on vastly improved tech. This is why I've always hated Andromeda as a setting. The game might even be good, but frankly: It makes no sense.How about a little thing called radio silence? If you're fleeing giant robot cuttlefish that want to melt down anyone with high level tech and can mind-control anyone into thinking that's a good idea, do you want your super-secret last hope for survival to just be chatting with you the whole time? Lines of communication of any kind would be a major security breach if this was a top secret last ditch effort to preserve life as we know it. They would've planned for Andromeda to be a one-way trip. No going back. Plus what other people have mentioned with the stasis (who's gonna pick up the call) and the possible malfunctions at any point in the chain. Even if the Milky Way end of the communicator wasn't immediately scuttled after launch, the site may have still fallen to Reaper attack (and then got scuttled because again, you can't afford to let the Reapers know what you've done).
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Post by opuspace on Sept 23, 2016 4:00:04 GMT
Andromeda didn't make the last trilogy irrelevant. The catalyst did that to the trilogy long before that.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 5:15:14 GMT
If you've been following Andromeda's development, it was said that it has nothing to do with the trilogy whatsoever. So nothing in the Reaper war will be mentioned. That includes the outcome as well. Or anything to do with Shepard or anyone else. It's a different story altogether with nothing connecting the trilogy to it.
The reason they are going to Andromeda has nothing to do with the Reapers. It's not one of those stories where we better find a different galaxy to live in because some day this one will get destroyed. They did say the Ark leaves before ME3 though. No exact date given though.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 23, 2016 5:19:46 GMT
How about a little thing called radio silence? If you're fleeing giant robot cuttlefish that want to melt down anyone with high level tech and can mind-control anyone into thinking that's a good idea, do you want your super-secret last hope for survival to just be chatting with you the whole time? Lines of communication of any kind would be a major security breach if this was a top secret last ditch effort to preserve life as we know it. They would've planned for Andromeda to be a one-way trip. No going back. To be fair, our cycle would be fine with that. After all, the super-secret super weapon team responsible for saving everyone not on the Arks was just chatting with you the whole time.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 23, 2016 5:21:25 GMT
If you've been following Andromeda's development, it was said that it has nothing to do with the trilogy whatsoever. So nothing in the Reaper war will be mentioned. That includes the outcome as well. Or anything to do with Shepard or anyone else. It's a different story altogether with nothing connecting the trilogy to it. The reason they are going to Andromeda has nothing to do with the Reapers. It's not one of those stories where we better find a different galaxy to live in because some day this one will get destroyed. They did say the Ark leaves before ME3 though. No exact date given though. Source? I heard the endings wouldn't be mentioned, but not anything about the trilogy whatsoever. In fact we have examples to the contrary.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 23, 2016 12:39:52 GMT
How about a little thing called radio silence? If you're fleeing giant robot cuttlefish that want to melt down anyone with high level tech and can mind-control anyone into thinking that's a good idea, do you want your super-secret last hope for survival to just be chatting with you the whole time? Lines of communication of any kind would be a major security breach if this was a top secret last ditch effort to preserve life as we know it. They would've planned for Andromeda to be a one-way trip. No going back. To be fair, our cycle would be fine with that. After all, the super-secret super weapon team responsible for saving everyone not on the Arks was just chatting with you the whole time. Yeah and the Reapers being cool with that is right up there with them not taking the Citadel immediately and shutting the relay network down. What's your point?
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Post by Iakus on Sept 23, 2016 15:31:28 GMT
QECs, that's why. Though I fully expect that Bioware will conveniently forget to outfit the most advanced fleet in the galaxy that will be traveling to another galaxy with the only real-time communication devices in existence. Because if they did that, the Milky Way would contact the crews of the Arks to tell them they won the war, to take an unfathomably large burden off of them. "Hey, you're no longer out last hope for survival, don't worry." Or, the Arks would contact the Milky Way after arriving. "Hey, we got here safe, if you're still out there." There's no excuse not to go over what happened during the war, or hell, how the current technological and political climate is in the Milky Way, hundreds of years later. But they still won't. In fact, if they did that, they'd also have to turn the ME:A trilogy(?) into a high-scifi world, because the Milky Way would forward them data on vastly improved tech. This is why I've always hated Andromeda as a setting. The game might even be good, but frankly: It makes no sense.How about a little thing called radio silence? If you're fleeing giant robot cuttlefish that want to melt down anyone with high level tech and can mind-control anyone into thinking that's a good idea, do you want your super-secret last hope for survival to just be chatting with you the whole time? Lines of communication of any kind would be a major security breach if this was a top secret last ditch effort to preserve life as we know it. They would've planned for Andromeda to be a one-way trip. No going back. Plus what other people have mentioned with the stasis (who's gonna pick up the call) and the possible malfunctions at any point in the chain. Even if the Milky Way end of the communicator wasn't immediately scuttled after launch, the site may have still fallen to Reaper attack (and then got scuttled because again, you can't afford to let the Reapers know what you've done). I thought the Crucible was our asuper=secret last hope for survival? Just how many super-secret last hopes for survival do we have?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 15:52:06 GMT
If you've been following Andromeda's development, it was said that it has nothing to do with the trilogy whatsoever. So nothing in the Reaper war will be mentioned. That includes the outcome as well. Or anything to do with Shepard or anyone else. It's a different story altogether with nothing connecting the trilogy to it. The reason they are going to Andromeda has nothing to do with the Reapers. It's not one of those stories where we better find a different galaxy to live in because some day this one will get destroyed. They did say the Ark leaves before ME3 though. No exact date given though. Source? I heard the endings wouldn't be mentioned, but not anything about the trilogy whatsoever. In fact we have examples to the contrary. gamerant.com/mass-effect-4-no-commander-shepard-story/
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 15:59:18 GMT
How about a little thing called radio silence? If you're fleeing giant robot cuttlefish that want to melt down anyone with high level tech and can mind-control anyone into thinking that's a good idea, do you want your super-secret last hope for survival to just be chatting with you the whole time? Lines of communication of any kind would be a major security breach if this was a top secret last ditch effort to preserve life as we know it. They would've planned for Andromeda to be a one-way trip. No going back. Plus what other people have mentioned with the stasis (who's gonna pick up the call) and the possible malfunctions at any point in the chain. Even if the Milky Way end of the communicator wasn't immediately scuttled after launch, the site may have still fallen to Reaper attack (and then got scuttled because again, you can't afford to let the Reapers know what you've done). I thought the Crucible was our asuper=secret last hope for survival? Just how many super-secret last hopes for survival do we have? I would be surprised if there wasn't more than one "super-secret last hope" plans going on given the disunity among the races and even within the governments of individual races... which is what Shepard is tasked with overcoming to enlist help with the crucible project. It's very rare that governments put all their eggs in one basket. Each council race alone has in the order of 11 Billion people (and that's just counting the worlds they give numbers for)... that's 44 Billion. They are spread across an entire galaxy... yet, there's supposed to be just 1 single scientific project with a motive to "save" them all on the go. Could easily be a faction within the Alliance brass itself that just never had any faith in the Crucible working at all and decided to do something different.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 23, 2016 19:09:06 GMT
To be fair, our cycle would be fine with that. After all, the super-secret super weapon team responsible for saving everyone not on the Arks was just chatting with you the whole time. Yeah and the Reapers being cool with that is right up there with them not taking the Citadel immediately and shutting the relay network down. What's your point? The point was that our cycle has made illogical and questionable decisions before, so you can't write them off as not doing so about this. Eh, I don't really take the article having much weight, since that was before the game was even officially announced. Plus as I said between then and now there have been cases of them doing the opposite. The only thing in their that still rings true is that Shepard themselves and their companions will not be in the game.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Sept 23, 2016 19:11:34 GMT
I thought the Crucible was our asuper=secret last hope for survival? Just how many super-secret last hopes for survival do we have? I would be surprised if there wasn't more than one "super-secret last hope" plans going on given the disunity among the races and even within the governments of individual races... which is what Shepard is tasked with overcoming to enlist help with the crucible project. It's very rare that governments put all their eggs in one basket. Each council race alone has in the order of 11 Billion people (and that's just counting the worlds they give numbers for)... that's 44 Billion. They are spread across an entire galaxy... yet, there's supposed to be just 1 single scientific project with a motive to "save" them all on the go. Could easily be a faction within the Alliance brass itself that just never had any faith in the Crucible working at all and decided to do something different. No, not easily. That would mean this whole project was done in a matter of months since we don't know about the Crucible until the war is started and the war lasts less than a year. To build a fleet of intergalactic Arks in that timeframe is impossible. Even with years like say after ME1 is questionable, but within ME3 is impossible.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 23, 2016 20:17:33 GMT
I thought the Crucible was our asuper=secret last hope for survival? Just how many super-secret last hopes for survival do we have? I would be surprised if there wasn't more than one "super-secret last hope" plans going on given the disunity among the races and even within the governments of individual races... which is what Shepard is tasked with overcoming to enlist help with the crucible project. It's very rare that governments put all their eggs in one basket. Each council race alone has in the order of 11 Billion people (and that's just counting the worlds they give numbers for)... that's 44 Billion. They are spread across an entire galaxy... yet, there's supposed to be just 1 single scientific project with a motive to "save" them all on the go. Could easily be a faction within the Alliance brass itself that just never had any faith in the Crucible working at all and decided to do something different. Scientific projects that shatter known laws of science? These Arkships alone are like jumping from lashing a raft together to building an ocean liner in, what? a few months? Years? And that's while sinking tons of resources into building the Giant Magic Wand.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 23, 2016 22:06:20 GMT
I thought the Crucible was our asuper=secret last hope for survival? Just how many super-secret last hopes for survival do we have? For your (and everybody else's) sake, you better hope it's more than one. The point was that our cycle has made illogical and questionable decisions before, so you can't write them off as not doing so about this. Yeah, previous piss-poor decisions aren't justification for more piss-poor decisions, particularly in unrelated cases. No, not easily. That would mean this whole project was done in a matter of months since we don't know about the Crucible until the war is started and the war lasts less than a year. To build a fleet of intergalactic Arks in that timeframe is impossible. Even with years like say after ME1 is questionable, but within ME3 is impossible. Who said anything about a fleet? It's still just one isn't it? And I would think it likely the Ark was previously a different project or maybe a bunch of different projects that got cannibalized into its current form once the need became imminent. Basically it's the Outbound Flight of Mass Effect guys, I don't know why you're having such issues with this. Scientific projects that shatter known laws of science? These Arkships alone are like jumping from lashing a raft together to building an ocean liner in, what? a few months? Years? And that's while sinking tons of resources into building the Giant Magic Wand. Oh give it a fucking rest already. There's nothing broken that wasn't already. FTL exists already. Longer, faster FTL (via the Reapers) exists already. All you need is a system for dealing with the static buildup (I alone have three solutions after spending less than five minutes on the matter) stasis pods (confirmed) and a shit ton of storage. The explanations are already there. Frankly even without buying into the rest of Andromeda I'm curious (and a bit eager I'll admit) to learn how they'll explain the details of the Ark. I wanted to build/customize the Ark myself but I guess this ain't that kind of game. I don't know what you posted before ME3 hit but I'm fairly convinced you didn't hold any of it to this much scrutiny (otherwise ME2 would've driven you off). So I return to my earlier conclusion, this is bitching for the hell of it, which is unproductive.
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Post by Iakus on Sept 23, 2016 22:28:20 GMT
Oh give it a fucking rest already. There's nothing broken that wasn't already. FTL exists already. Longer, faster FTL (via the Reapers) exists already. All you need is a system for dealing with the static buildup (I alone have three solutions after spending less than five minutes on the matter) stasis pods (confirmed) and a shit ton of storage. The explanations are already there. Frankly even without buying into the rest of Andromeda I'm curious (and a bit eager I'll admit) to learn how they'll explain the details of the Ark. I wanted to build/customize the Ark myself but I guess this ain't that kind of game. I don't know what you posted before ME3 hit but I'm fairly convinced you didn't hold any of it to this much scrutiny (otherwise ME2 would've driven you off). So I return to my earlier conclusion, this is bitching for the hell of it, which is unproductive. No, I won't give it a rest until I get a satisfactory answer. FTL exists, but only to a very limited degree. A few dozen light years before needing a discharge, tops. Reapers may be fast, but they don't have spacefold technology. 2.5 million light years is still 2.5 million light years. Yes, thy can go longer without discharging the static buildup. But it still accumulates for them, as the codex tells us. And assuming they can make the trip (without killing any organic passengers), it's been heavily implied we are leaving before the Reaper War, so no dead Reapers to miraculously reverse-engineer in a few short months. I admit to being curious myself. Just contrived an *sspull will the arks be? Does anyone else here want to tell Crutchcricket what I posted about after ME2, or should I?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Sept 23, 2016 22:32:23 GMT
it's been heavily implied we are leaving before the Reaper War, so no dead Reapers to miraculously reverse-engineer in a few short months. Sovereign. And from what I'm seeing, you're not asking for a satisfactory answer. You (fruitlessly) insist there can't be one. Surely you can see the difference.
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it's been heavily implied we are leaving before the Reaper War, so no dead Reapers to miraculously reverse-engineer in a few short months. Sovereign. And from what I'm seeing, you're not asking for a satisfactory answer. You (fruitlessly) insist there can't be one. Surely you can see the difference. Sure, why not? They found a way to reverse engineer an engine capable of running continuously for centuries without refueling or discharging AND build and fit them on multiple dreadnought-sized ships in three years. Totally believable What you're seeing is me saying not that there isn't a satisfactory answer, but that I don't see how there can be one. Backed by evidence from previous games that Bioware basically does whatever the hell they want to do no matter how little sense it makes and calls it "Art"
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Sure, why not? They found a way to reverse engineer an engine capable of running continuously for centuries without refueling or discharging AND build and fit them on multiple dreadnought-sized ships in three years. Totally believable What you're seeing is me saying not that there isn't a satisfactory answer, but that I don't see how there can be one. Backed by evidence from previous games that Bioware basically does whatever the hell they want to do no matter how little sense it makes and calls it "Art" They did it with the Thannix pretty well, final battle cutscene be damned. Refueling and discharge is a matter of storage and those little ingenious ways I mentioned to deal with the problem, respectively. Hell in one case they may even be related. What would make sense, is again separate projects that were in development for years apart from the Reaper engine that got put together on this project. Hell you don't even really need the Reaper engine since it's not fundamentally different, it's just more faster and more efficient. You only need to solve the fuel and discharge problem, the engine going to Reaper speeds is just bonus/better likelyhood of making the trip. I'll expect some lip service about how crazy the whole thing was from the start and how "it's a miracle she held together this long". But that's tropes more than anything. Don't know what you're not seeing since multiple people are seeing the answer and all we have is speculation, same as you. And let's be clear, that's not "evidence". At best it's precedent but precedent implies no necessity on present.
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I would be surprised if there wasn't more than one "super-secret last hope" plans going on given the disunity among the races and even within the governments of individual races... which is what Shepard is tasked with overcoming to enlist help with the crucible project. It's very rare that governments put all their eggs in one basket. Each council race alone has in the order of 11 Billion people (and that's just counting the worlds they give numbers for)... that's 44 Billion. They are spread across an entire galaxy... yet, there's supposed to be just 1 single scientific project with a motive to "save" them all on the go. Could easily be a faction within the Alliance brass itself that just never had any faith in the Crucible working at all and decided to do something different. No, not easily. That would mean this whole project was done in a matter of months since we don't know about the Crucible until the war is started and the war lasts less than a year. To build a fleet of intergalactic Arks in that timeframe is impossible. Even with years like say after ME1 is questionable, but within ME3 is impossible. The object of someday going to a distant galaxy was not developed in a matter of months... we're thinking about it now (IRL) and we don't have Reapers barking down on our horizon. We started with our moon, moving onto mars, sending probes outside our solar system, etc. The idea itself and the ongoing development of technology towards eventually achieving that idea is what has driven exploration for centuries. That doesn't mean that groups could not have stepped up their support of such a project as the Reaper threat became more evident or that then the people who wound up on the ARKs themselves could not have left because they were fleeing the Reaper threat. The idea of a Crucible weapon was only made possible by the discovery of the plan in the Mars Archives... so that project had to be developed quickly... making it a real strain to collect the resources for it and to unify the galaxy behind it. I think Plan A was eventual evacuation to another galaxy (reworking and adapting exploration sciences that had been ongoing for decades and not discussed in the MET codex simply because they were outside the scope of that Trilogy... like, if I'm writing a codex about driving cars, I'm not going to put in details about secret NASA space projects that are in development.) Plan B was the Crucible... because the galaxy had suddenly "run out of time." (per Anderson and Shepard's conversation at the beginning of ME3 - "We're not ready if it is them, not by a long ways." At that point, the ARKs, even in a somewhat unfinished state could be boarded and leave just before the Reapers hit earth. Maybe that the ARKs weren't really finished in time could be why Ryder wakes up surprised that they made it.
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Post by themikefest on Sept 23, 2016 23:05:11 GMT
Why not create a thread in the Andromeda section talking about the ships going to Andromeda?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2016 23:17:40 GMT
Why not create a thread in the Andromeda section talking about the ships going to Andromeda? Perhaps this thread should be moved back to that section now. I believe the OP has be changed radically from when I first read it... or maybe it's my "sometimers" acting up again.
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