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Post by CHRrOME on Aug 6, 2017 16:13:14 GMT
Curious about this since I was thinking about that the other day. Obviously this only works if you're actually into Dragon Age. I personally liked more Inquisition (which is not saying that much tbh). Not overall, though. Inquisition's combat and skill system are just disgusting to me, but the story as a whole is better imo. I'm comparing the two because DAI technically wasn't super well received by everyone either, and it was the latest game before Andromeda released. I don't intend to compare apples with rocks.
Notice also, that I never played any of Inqusition's DLCs, I may praise it even more if I ever play Trespasser which everyone seem to have in such high regard. What I liked more about Andromeda was the combat (can't go wrong since it's gun-fire type of combat anyways, not much to it, and Mass 2 already did good in that department) and the skill system although the 3 powers limitation was bullshit tbh, especially when they let you switch up to 4 profiles anyways. Experiment borrowed from Inquisition and it's dumb tiny skill bar that made no sense. Dragon Age is not even my favorite franchise, mine was always Mass Effect.
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Post by abaris on Aug 6, 2017 16:19:45 GMT
Since combat comes last in these types of games for me, DAI is hands down the better game. Story as well as companions as well as protagonist. Even the open world system is executed better than in MEA. It still suffers under unreactive telegraph pole NPCs but it doesn't give the same impression of lifeless wastes as Andromeda does.
So I would agree, combat was better in MEA, but that's not what makes of breakes a game for me.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 6, 2017 16:28:47 GMT
I enjoy Mass Effect Andromeda quite a bit, but Inquisition is the superior game to me. The storytelling, companion writing and even the original score are all greatly superior in my opinion. I guess it helps that Inquisition also benefits from a history that Mass Effect was forced to abandon because of the scorching of the old setting. Combat wise Mass Effect's always been the better set of games to me, but on most levels I found them to be inferior to the DA franchise.
Despite my preference for science fiction and shooters over the sword & board and fantasy setting, I just can't pick Mass Effect over it.
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Post by melbella on Aug 6, 2017 16:29:38 GMT
I'd probably lean toward DAI since I've played it more times and really wanted to play again to see different content (mages vs templars, friend vs not friend, different classes/specs). There isn't a lot of different content to be had in MEA, mostly small things that add flavor.
I prefer DAI companions over MEA's squad, overall, but I didn't dislike anyone in MEA like I do Sera.
DAI, despite coming out 2.5 yrs earlier, makes my system work a lot harder than MEA; I had fewer problems with the latter, despite the sys req's being technically higher. About the worst thing is the sound cutting out, which is annoying, but doesn't make the game unplayable.
Also, dragons beat architects every time.
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 6, 2017 16:37:29 GMT
I'd probably lean toward DAI since I've played it more times and really wanted to play again to see different content (mages vs templars, friend vs not friend, different classes/specs). There isn't a lot of different content to be had in MEA, mostly small things that add flavor.
I prefer DAI companions over MEA's squad, overall, but I didn't dislike anyone in MEA like I do Sera.
DAI, despite coming out 2.5 yrs earlier, makes my system work a lot harder than MEA; I had fewer problems with the latter, despite the sys req's being technically higher. About the worst thing is the sound cutting out, which is annoying, but doesn't make the game unplayable.
Also, dragons beat architects every time.
I think what really sets DAI apart for me also is Solas. He's easily one of my favorite characters in the franchise let alone this game, and Mass Effect's never offered anyone on his level to me. I admit in enjoying how polarizing Sera is. People either love her to bits or loathe her with every fiber of her being. That in and of itself is a bit entertaining. As for the dragons, they really are better than the architects, but I think that the dragons in this game are just beautifully designed, sometimes to the point where I can't help but feel a little bad for waltzing into their territories and wiping them out. But that epic soundtrack playing when I take on the Ferelden Frostback and Iron Bull sounding overjoyed all the while is just too good.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 6, 2017 16:56:51 GMT
DAI was a bigger, bolder, deeper, more detailed game and it was essentially complete on release. It did the open world thing better than MEA. MEA isn't the strongest of the ME series, I think DAI is probably the best of the DA series. It's a better game in the sense of it felt like a AAA game. But I don't like it more.
I loved bouncing around with the jetpack sniping skulls in ME but I don't see that kind of smooth combat mechanic working for a swordplay DA game. It also came at the expense of squad control. I would miss that a lot in DA. I like the differences.
Just because DA and ME are both Bioware games doesn't mean they are interchangeable games in a different setting.
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Post by LogicGunn on Aug 6, 2017 16:57:53 GMT
I'd probably lean toward DAI since I've played it more times and really wanted to play again to see different content (mages vs templars, friend vs not friend, different classes/specs). There isn't a lot of different content to be had in MEA, mostly small things that add flavor.
I prefer DAI companions over MEA's squad, overall, but I didn't dislike anyone in MEA like I do Sera.
DAI, despite coming out 2.5 yrs earlier, makes my system work a lot harder than MEA; I had fewer problems with the latter, despite the sys req's being technically higher. About the worst thing is the sound cutting out, which is annoying, but doesn't make the game unplayable.
Also, dragons beat architects every time.
I think what really sets DAI apart for me also is Solas. He's easily one of my favorite characters in the franchise let alone this game, and Mass Effect's never offered anyone on his level to me. I admit in enjoying how polarizing Sera is. People either love her to bits or loathe her with every fiber of her being. That in and of itself is a bit entertaining. As for the dragons, they really are better than the architects, but I think that the dragons in this game are just beautifully designed, sometimes to the point where I can't help but feel a little bad for waltzing into their territories and wiping them out. But that epic soundtrack playing when I take on the Ferelden Frostback and Iron Bull sounding overjoyed all the while is just too good. TBH I'm kind of indifferent to her. I felt like I could like her if she was padded out a bit more.
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Post by idkmyname on Aug 6, 2017 16:59:43 GMT
DAI was an okay game when it came out. The open world and side content were terrible but companions were great, story was pretty okay, and Trespasser was absolutely freaking amazing. So I feel like it comes out on the positive side...
MEA on the other hand... I just felt like I didn't care about any of it. I liked 2 out of the 6 companions, the open world sucked(fuck you, Nomad), the story was boring, ending was boring. I don't like the idea of instant terraforming, like the whole "poof this world is fixed"(WHat??) thing. The game pushes that crap after introducing the Archon which makes no fucking sense... It's just all bad with very little redeeming things. And that's without the crap animations, which might be fixed by now?
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Post by vonuber on Aug 6, 2017 17:03:44 GMT
Nope. Bombed out on DA:I about 2/3rds of the way through and have never gone back. I just found it really tedious, the greatness of Cassandra, Dorian and Sera notwithstanding.
Currently starting my second playthrough of ME:A. It's just a better game, in the sense of 'game'.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 6, 2017 17:10:30 GMT
I'd probably lean toward DAI since I've played it more times and really wanted to play again to see different content (mages vs templars, friend vs not friend, different classes/specs). There isn't a lot of different content to be had in MEA, mostly small things that add flavor.
I prefer DAI companions over MEA's squad, overall, but I didn't dislike anyone in MEA like I do Sera.
DAI, despite coming out 2.5 yrs earlier, makes my system work a lot harder than MEA; I had fewer problems with the latter, despite the sys req's being technically higher. About the worst thing is the sound cutting out, which is annoying, but doesn't make the game unplayable.
Also, dragons beat architects every time.
I think what really sets DAI apart for me also is Solas. He's easily one of my favorite characters in the franchise let alone this game, and Mass Effect's never offered anyone on his level to me. I admit in enjoying how polarizing Sera is. People either love her to bits or loathe her with every fiber of her being. That in and of itself is a bit entertaining. As for the dragons, they really are better than the architects, but I think that the dragons in this game are just beautifully designed, sometimes to the point where I can't help but feel a little bad for waltzing into their territories and wiping them out. But that epic soundtrack playing when I take on the Ferelden Frostback and Iron Bull sounding overjoyed all the while is just too good. For my initial playthrough on the PC, I had the same gripes about NPCs in both Frostbite versions. Some characters were an acquired taste like PeeBee and Sera. However, for me personally, some of the characters like Dorian, Varric and Solas have no equal. They're three of the strongest, well-written characters in BioWare's portfolio. Andromeda does have Drack and he's just as distinct as Wrex or Grunt. It's hard to ignore Cora. Suvi, Gil, Reyes and Vetra all have really great moments. Cora... wow.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 6, 2017 17:13:08 GMT
Nope. Bombed out on DA:I about 2/3rds of the way through and have never gone back. I just found it really tedious, the greatness of Cassandra, Dorian and Sera notwithstanding. Currently starting my second playthrough of ME:A. It's just a better game, in the sense of 'game'. Game flow in both Frostbite franchises are weak, but I agree with you. Andromeda, had weaker writing, but better game flow. Inquisition can literally exhaust your patience especially if you're an OCD completionist like me. Andromeda needs to really tighten the fetch quests and make them impact the overall end-game story telling. This is a common weakness among several BioWare products.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 6, 2017 17:14:11 GMT
I personally prefer Andromeda over Inquisition, I think Inquisition had a bit of an advantage in some areas since it did have some returning characters to help give more depth to the world and if you paid $15 for a DLC ending it had a better conclusion. The problem is in more areas I think Andromeda was superior for my play style.
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Post by Sanunes on Aug 6, 2017 17:16:31 GMT
Nope. Bombed out on DA:I about 2/3rds of the way through and have never gone back. I just found it really tedious, the greatness of Cassandra, Dorian and Sera notwithstanding. Currently starting my second playthrough of ME:A. It's just a better game, in the sense of 'game'. Game flow in both Frostbite franchises are weak, but I agree with you. Andromeda, had weaker writing, but better game flow. Inquisition can literally exhaust your patience especially if you're an OCD completionist like me. Andromeda needs to really tighten the fetch quests and make them impact the overall end-game story telling. This is a common weakness among several BioWare products. My first game of Inquisition I was able to go through quickly since I only did the critical path, but my more completion based attempt took about 18 months because I kept burning out since so much of the game feels the same.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 6, 2017 17:18:11 GMT
DAI was better. I was able to choose who I could or could not recruit except of course the seeker, the dread wolf and the story teller who were mandatory. During combat, I was able to have each companion use whatever power on different enemies or just a single enemy. The music was good. Fighting dragons. excellent. Oh yeah. It had Harding and Dagna. One thing that I did like is the player had the option to get rid of Sera at anytime during the game. Fake Warden could be left in jail or sent away if getting rid of the Wardens at Adamant. Able to be judge, jury and executioner.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Aug 6, 2017 17:27:42 GMT
I personally prefer Andromeda over Inquisition, I think Inquisition had a bit of an advantage in some areas since it did have some returning characters to help give more depth to the world and if you paid $15 for a DLC ending it had a better conclusion. The problem is in more areas I think Andromeda was superior for my play style. Me too. Though I do like the mouse controls in Origins and DA2 compared to Frostbite. Playing a tank on that engine was fun. Playing a tank in Inquisition is not fun for M+KB+keypad. It's a chore. It's more fun as a mage (barrier, support, staff, attack spell, staff, barrier, etc.) especially lore wise. A Catholic pro-Chantry, pro-circle mage marked as the Inquisitor. Loved it. Cassandra and Josephine... loved them. Dorian, Blackwall (another redeemable hero who joins the Grey Wardens.) and Sera (yeah... her.) have the best companion missions. However, with Andromeda, it was a matter of practice and getting used to not having tactical pausing (I want to see the battlefield beyond my POV. The jump jets give me that brief battlefield assessment, but not enough. It's another step back in direction with Frostbite,) but again... I found way to overcome it. I can't overcome Paragon/Renegade-less Ryder. Sorry. That's a very unique BioWare deal (Fallout 4 got rid of the karma system. Big mistake IMHO.) and it would've helped shaped Ryder into the coming sequel. I see it as missed potential, not faulty execution. Also, 20 months. Wow. I don't care how the game was received if I were a developer. 1.09 is a pair of middle fingers back to the critics.
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Post by abaris on Aug 6, 2017 17:43:34 GMT
1.09 is a pair of middle fingers back to the critics. Not really, if gameplay, glitches and bugs weren't your points of critique. They polished it - but - not to be taken literally, since the game isn't one, you can polish a turd as the Mythbusters proved, but it doesn't change it's nature.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Aug 6, 2017 17:49:40 GMT
While I have a lot of problems with DA:I and Andromeda did improve on some of the issues in that game (though not many) DAI is a much better game now that I've played both. I am more invested in the DA series though so I have that bias.
That said I do think many of the things people tear Andromeda apart over existed in DAI or were worse in DAI. Technical issues on release were worse, DA:I had more generic fetch quests and less well written interesting side quests. It also made you do some of them to advance the story where as with Andromeda you can just ignore everything you aren't interested in. DAI is full of plot holes and writing that just doesn't really make much sense, Andromeda has that too but not to quite the same extent I don't think.
The thing that makes DAI win for me is it just tells a more interesting story with characters I actually care about. I don't hate Andromeda's characters, I quite like some of them but non of them are as compelling as even some of the worst main characters in Inquisition.
Andromeda has much better combat but then combat is not what made the DA or the ME series great.
I agree that Inquisition is awful for completionists though. I ended up giving up on completing everything because I knew I would never manage it without quitting and wanted to finish the story. Inquisition also benefits from the Trespasser dlc which improved the entire game massively.
Both games have this illusion of choice nonsense going on but Andromeda has it to a much larger extent than Inquisition. I had issues with paragon/renegade but it was better than this at least.
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Post by bigbad on Aug 6, 2017 18:00:52 GMT
I felt like the extremely lackluster semi-open-world implementation strongly detracts from both games, and I have not been able to do more than a single playthrough for either DAI or MEA (I also haven't played any of the DLC for DAI, so maybe my opinion would change if I had). Overall, though, DAI had a more interesting story and vastly better characters.
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Post by melbella on Aug 6, 2017 18:06:58 GMT
I did like MEA's final mission better than DAI's but the twist ending of DAI (pre-Trespasser) almost makes up for it. I also like that people don't stop talking to you post-ending in MEA like they do in Inquisition. Makes the end less an "end" and more like just one more milestone along the way.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 6, 2017 18:08:29 GMT
I haven't played DAI yet I only played DAO. Still have Awakening to do. Still after being on these forums I was going to finish my backlog of COD games (Yes I enjoy COD) but instead I might buy DA2 and DAI any go through the series.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 6, 2017 18:11:50 GMT
I haven't played DAI yet I only played DAO. Still have Awakening to do. Still after being on these forums I was going to finish my backlog of COD games (Yes I enjoy COD) but instead I might buy DA2 and DAI any go through the series. When/if you do, you can post your playthrough in this thread.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 18:21:51 GMT
I was much more invested in DA:I's story and grew really attached to the characters. I can't say either for ME:A, however I do much prefer the combat and jet packs, and also the open world experience that it offered.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 6, 2017 18:28:20 GMT
I haven't played DAI yet I only played DAO. Still have Awakening to do. Still after being on these forums I was going to finish my backlog of COD games (Yes I enjoy COD) but instead I might buy DA2 and DAI any go through the series. When/if you do, you can post your playthrough in this thread. I know we don't agree on MEA and that's fine but you've been polite and I think I've done the same, or tried to. Anyway what's your thoughts? I liked Origins but I just kinda focused more on ME. Do you think I'd like it?(The rest of the series.)
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