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Post by melbella on Sept 8, 2017 20:01:52 GMT
What improvements did mea make over dai? Is enemy ai better? Seems like mea dropped the ball on a lot of what makes their games great Is it true that mea runs better than dai on same systems? Would have thought otherwise based on one being an older game I don't think AIs are all that comparable since the game systems are so different. ME:A uses up more resources than DAI. In general it takes a better machine to run. (ME:A blew up my old 6670 vidcard while DAI ran fine, for instance.) However, DAI ran badly on some relatively higher-spec machines, for reasons that have never been well-understood. So it's possible to have a machine which runs ME:A better than DAI, but it isn't common. I must be one of the rare ones, then, since MEA runs better on my system. With DAI both my CPU and GPU run hotter than with MEA. I use mostly medium settings for both, though I do have the DAI one that gets rid of shiny hair set to maximum.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 20:20:49 GMT
I don't think AIs are all that comparable since the game systems are so different. ME:A uses up more resources than DAI. In general it takes a better machine to run. (ME:A blew up my old 6670 vidcard while DAI ran fine, for instance.) However, DAI ran badly on some relatively higher-spec machines, for reasons that have never been well-understood. So it's possible to have a machine which runs ME:A better than DAI, but it isn't common. It might also be that I got a new monitor for those games, an UW 35" that seem to be having periodic misunderstandings with the graphics card. I am just not sure. My rig was close to the state of the art three years ago which should have made it perfect for DA3, but go figure...
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 22:20:03 GMT
Well, the hat thing was just a design compromise. There's footage kicking around of an Inquisitor's Hat with proper hair underneath, but I guess they could never get it to work properly with anything but the one hairdo. It is white mesh under any hat that shows part of the head. It displays on companions and protagonist. It doesn't even remotely resemble hair. Solas and Dorian look particularly ridiculous with it, heh.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 8, 2017 22:30:51 GMT
Well, the hat thing was just a design compromise. There's footage kicking around of an Inquisitor's Hat with proper hair underneath, but I guess they could never get it to work properly with anything but the one hairdo. It is white mesh under any hat that shows part of the head. It displays on companions and protagonist. It doesn't even remotely resemble hair. Solas and Dorian look particularly ridiculous with it, heh. Right. Apparently it was either replace the hair with the white mesh, or have the hair come through the hats.
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Post by obbie1984 on Sept 8, 2017 22:32:22 GMT
I think DAI is a better game overall yes. More options, more choices, better characters, better story, better tone, better romances, more polished on release and with the Trespasser DLC, its not even close. I do think DAI can be a bit tedious with its quests and exploring, but not to the same extent as MEA.
I am doing a second replay of MEA and I am liking it a bit more than my first run. But it is still tedious and lacking compared to the original trilogy.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 8, 2017 23:02:06 GMT
It is white mesh under any hat that shows part of the head. It displays on companions and protagonist. It doesn't even remotely resemble hair. Solas and Dorian look particularly ridiculous with it, heh. Right. Apparently it was either replace the hair with the white mesh, or have the hair come through the hats. Heh, imagine the outrage if anything like that happened in Andromeda...
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Post by dawnold on Sept 8, 2017 23:16:55 GMT
Right. Apparently it was either replace the hair with the white mesh, or have the hair come through the hats. Heh, imagine the outrage if anything like that happened in Andromeda... I believe it happens during the cutscene of Alec's sacrifice, just before he takes off his helmet you can see his hair clipping out the back.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 9, 2017 0:47:01 GMT
Heh, imagine the outrage if anything like that happened in Andromeda... I believe it happens during the cutscene of Alec's sacrifice, just before he takes off his helmet you can see his hair clipping out the back. Never noticed, yet I stare at the weird hats for hours in DAI because there is not much better to do while walking in silence through the convoluted maps populated only by text messages and silent mobs...
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Post by heathenoxman on Sept 9, 2017 1:09:03 GMT
I prefer MEA.
Because laser guns > swords.
DAI was more of a slog to get through.
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Post by mmoblitz on Sept 9, 2017 11:30:34 GMT
As much as I disliked DAI (thought it was the worst of the series) it stands head and shoulders above MEA. I will admit that I don't care for sci-fi games to begin with, but the ME series was my only exception to that along with Eve-Online for MMO type games. For me to send any praise towards DAI is saying something...
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Post by Bann Duncan on Sept 14, 2017 4:27:36 GMT
DA: I was amazing (and I say this as someone who never had the full DA:I experience, considering that the banter bug was there for my first few playthroughs). It followed up the worldbuilding of the other games spectacularly while making the whole setting feel lived-in and fresh.
I didn't realize until I came on this new BSN that apparently DA:I was a widely hated disaster.
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Post by river82 on Sept 14, 2017 4:36:02 GMT
I didn't realize until I came on this new BSN that apparently DA:I was a widely hated disaster. You obviously don't look at the user scores on Metacritic, then.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 14, 2017 4:41:30 GMT
I haven't found that to be a useful procedure, myself.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Sept 14, 2017 4:52:48 GMT
I didn't realize until I came on this new BSN that apparently DA:I was a widely hated disaster. You obviously don't look at the user scores on Metacritic, then. Nor should he user "reviews" on metacritic are a joke.
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Post by river82 on Sept 14, 2017 4:57:19 GMT
If someone wants to know which games are "apparently widely hated disasters" then Metacritic is the site to go to. Mainly because people often cast a vote there as some kind of protest.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 14, 2017 5:52:53 GMT
Ah, now I see it.
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Post by zanephiri on Sept 14, 2017 11:22:50 GMT
I like me:a and while I thought it certainly improved on some things that annoyed me in da:i, I wouldn't ever put it above da:i. I played da:i so many times after I first got it, trying to find every bit of content I might have missed, picking characters and choices I didn't before. With me:a I struggled to finish a second pt because while I enjoyed the first one the second one just emphasized what little choice you really have. And while I won't pretend da:i is the pinnacle of role playing games, it is better than me:a.
The only thing I could give me:a points on over da:i is the side quests (though I still don't think me:a's side quest are good just an improvement), and the loyalty missions (though they're not loyalty missions). But even so I still prefer da:i's companions, they felt much more real than the squad members did. I still remember a pt when Blackwall got all pissy with me because I'd made a bunch of choices he hated, I decided to push it further and he left. I loved that, because it made sense for him to bugger off after all that. Compare that to Peebee who will say over and over again how she basically has one foot out of the door at all times but never leaves, not even if you skip her mission, she still acts like you're friends. And I'm not saying I want companions or squad members to hate the protagonist, but if they're incapable of disliking them their friendship feels a bit hollow.
But who knows what the game could have been like with a bit more direction. Or some great pieces of DLC.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Sept 14, 2017 11:32:53 GMT
I think DAI is a better game overall yes. More options, more choices, better characters, better story, better tone, better romances, more polished on release and with the Trespasser DLC, its not even close. I do think DAI can be a bit tedious with its quests and exploring, but not to the same extent as MEA. I am doing a second replay of MEA and I am liking it a bit more than my first run. But it is still tedious and lacking compared to the original trilogy. Looking up some DAI stuff again,. I gotta agree, completely changed my mind, Trespasser alone is better than the entirety of MEA's story, even if that one is more straight forward.
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Post by alanc9 on Sept 14, 2017 15:03:25 GMT
The only thing I could give me:a points on over da:i is the side quests (though I still don't think me:a's side quest are good just an improvement), and the loyalty missions (though they're not loyalty missions). But even so I still prefer da:i's companions, they felt much more real than the squad members did. I still remember a pt when Blackwall got all pissy with me because I'd made a bunch of choices he hated, I decided to push it further and he left. I loved that, because it made sense for him to bugger off after all that. Compare that to Peebee who will say over and over again how she basically has one foot out of the door at all times but never leaves, not even if you skip her mission, she still acts like you're friends. And I'm not saying I want companions or squad members to hate the protagonist, but if they're incapable of disliking them their friendship feels a bit hollow. It's odd that tracking relationship status never became a feature of ME. It's not in ME1, becomes a central mechanic in ME2, and disappears from the later games. And even ME2's implementation was a bit feeble. ME:A actually makes a couple of perfunctory nods at this. For instance, Drack and Jaal can be highly displeased with a couple of Ryder's actions and refuse all interactions for a time. But they get over it, and it's like nothing ever happened. Which isn't a terrible thing in itself, but looks bad when there are no permanent relationship consequences in the game except for what the player causes by doing the NPC's event chain.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Sept 14, 2017 15:11:26 GMT
If someone wants to know which games are "apparently widely hated disasters" then Metacritic is the site to go to. Mainly because people often cast a vote there as some kind of protest. And how many of those actually played the game? Many of those idiots have an irrational beef with bioware because a previous game made years ago didn't meet their exact specifications of what they want and they are determined to hate bioware no matter what so they will review bomb any bioware game that comes out just out of spite. Read the damn reviews. Many of them are "hurr durr sjw", "hurr durr ME 3 endings", "hurr durr DA 2", "hurr durr Manveer Heir", etc....
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Post by ShadowAngel on Sept 14, 2017 17:20:03 GMT
If someone wants to know which games are "apparently widely hated disasters" then Metacritic is the site to go to. Mainly because people often cast a vote there as some kind of protest. And how many of those actually played the game? Many of those idiots have an irrational beef with bioware because a previous game made years ago didn't meet their exact specifications of what they want and they are determined to hate bioware no matter what so they will review bomb any bioware game that comes out just out of spite. Read the damn reviews. Many of them are "hurr durr sjw", "hurr durr ME 3 endings", "hurr durr DA 2", "hurr durr Manveer Heir", etc....
Maybe developers should block out meta critic if it's so bad? They choose to affiliate themselves with it and it's the most used scoring system. It's not hard to differentiate real criticism from "game is shot, there's no Shepard". You're letting it get to you when I guarantee the devs won't even care on that kind of talk. good games also get through that stuff easy. Destiny 2 is smashing records (and PC isn't even out yet) and there's tons of vids calling it garbage and trash, some with hundreds of thousands of views. There's even SJW talk with some of the armor designs and symbols yet it means nothing towards the games actual reception cause again, smashing records. If andromeda was doing great then all that negative talk would be at the backburners instead of the front.
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Post by abaris on Sept 14, 2017 18:33:04 GMT
And how many of those actually played the game? Many of those idiots have an irrational beef with bioware because a previous game made years ago didn't meet their exact specifications of what they want and they are determined to hate bioware no matter what so they will review bomb any bioware game that comes out just out of spite. Read the damn reviews. Many of them are "hurr durr sjw", "hurr durr ME 3 endings", "hurr durr DA 2", "hurr durr Manveer Heir", etc....
So, riddle me this. Up until DA2 metacritic scores were balanced. Critics and Users rated Bioware games the same, give or take two notches. Starting with DA2, ratings started to drift apart. Bioware lost it with the user scores. While I don't think that DA2, ME3 or DAI were deserving of the low scores they got, as far as users are concerned, there's an obvious watershed starting with DA2. That was exactly the time when Bioware started to try a new approach. Obviously they alienated quite a lot of the old fanbase without really winning over lots of new people to make up for low scores. They also may have attracted the casuals. The locusts of gaming, who look for instant gratification and who move on to the next shiny on the gaming horizon without giving a game another chance if they're not instantly pleased. It was also the time when that terrible word streamlining first saw the light of day. Again, Bioware got high rating up to and including ME2. It was a downhill race from there on. With MEA, also having scored lowest with the critics, it's the first time I find myself in agreement with lower than average scores. Not a zero, for sure, but a 7 is already stretching it to the limits.
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Post by kino on Sept 14, 2017 18:42:05 GMT
I found DA:I and ME:A about equivalent for their genres. I prefer the ME:A story and gameplay, but the DA:I character stories were more fleshed out.
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Post by griffith82 on Sept 14, 2017 20:35:09 GMT
If someone wants to know which games are "apparently widely hated disasters" then Metacritic is the site to go to. Mainly because people often cast a vote there as some kind of protest.
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Post by river82 on Sept 14, 2017 20:49:37 GMT
And how many of those actually played the game? Many of those idiots have an irrational beef with bioware because a previous game made years ago didn't meet their exact specifications of what they want and they are determined to hate bioware no matter what so they will review bomb any bioware game that comes out just out of spite. Read the damn reviews. Many of them are "hurr durr sjw", "hurr durr ME 3 endings", "hurr durr DA 2", "hurr durr Manveer Heir", etc....
Maybe developers should block out meta critic if it's so bad? They choose to affiliate themselves with it and it's the most used scoring system. It's not hard to differentiate real criticism from "game is shot, there's no Shepard". You're letting it get to you when I guarantee the devs won't even care on that kind of talk. good games also get through that stuff easy. Destiny 2 is smashing records (and PC isn't even out yet) and there's tons of vids calling it garbage and trash, some with hundreds of thousands of views. There's even SJW talk with some of the armor designs and symbols yet it means nothing towards the games actual reception cause again, smashing records. If andromeda was doing great then all that negative talk would be at the backburners instead of the front. It's worth noting that Destiny 2 has only a slightly higher user review score on Metacritic than Mass Effect Andromeda (5.9 for the PS4.) I'm not hearing much bitching over it, though. The "SJW armour design" discussion is just stupid. There's an 8 page thread in the Steam Divinity Original Sin 2 Steam forums at the moment where the OP is trying to get people to not buy the game because of this: i.imgur.com/Ltt3uxA.jpgRidiculous stuff.
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