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Post by alanc9 on Aug 8, 2017 1:25:55 GMT
Maybe but its not that convinient since even TW3 paused time from...ugh...time to time in order to set up the right story mood or to make sure everything flowed. Both in the main game and the DLC. And even GTA5 fast forwarded time to get to a certain "mood" for a mission and yet it is still seen as one of the better open world game if not the best. Bioware just needs to catch up, nothing more. "Catch up" implies progression towards using cycles. I'm not sure that's a sensible way to think of day/ night cycles. Bio had them years ago and decided they were counterproductive. We had this debate when KotOR was about to release, and again when DA:O was released. |
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Aug 8, 2017 2:09:32 GMT
I've yet to see a topic where TW3 isn't forced into somehow. Because TW3 not only raised the bar in the genre, but beat Bioware at its own game.
It deserves to be mentioned, simply put because it is vastly superior than both games. Hell, after the release of TW3, DAI's reception got a lot more negative and for good reason.
Bioware is simply stuck with last gen formula with last gen design.
This (and the combat system... why the fuck can't I kill a human with a silver sword? I get that it has special properties against demons and shit, but it's still fucking pointy right?) is why I have absolutely no interest in really ever playing The Witcher. It may be the greatest game in the history of the universe, but the fanbase is just utterly toxic and not worth getting involved with. |
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Post by suikoden on Aug 8, 2017 2:23:07 GMT
Because TW3 not only raised the bar in the genre, but beat Bioware at its own game.
It deserves to be mentioned, simply put because it is vastly superior than both games. Hell, after the release of TW3, DAI's reception got a lot more negative and for good reason.
Bioware is simply stuck with last gen formula with last gen design.
This (and the combat system... why the fuck can't I kill a human with a silver sword? I get that it has special properties against demons and shit, but it's still fucking pointy right?) is why I have absolutely no interest in really ever playing The Witcher. It may be the greatest game in the history of the universe, but the fanbase is just utterly toxic and not worth getting involved with. They're not the ones who had their official forum shut down... for being a toxic fanbase. |
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Post by rolenka on Aug 8, 2017 2:34:03 GMT
I liked both games. I think I prefer Andromeda. DAI was grindy. Too much exploration and random mob combat for a game that didn't do it particularly well.
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Post by fatherjerusalem on Aug 8, 2017 2:59:19 GMT
This (and the combat system... why the fuck can't I kill a human with a silver sword? I get that it has special properties against demons and shit, but it's still fucking pointy right?) is why I have absolutely no interest in really ever playing The Witcher. It may be the greatest game in the history of the universe, but the fanbase is just utterly toxic and not worth getting involved with. They're not the ones who had their official forum shut down... for being a toxic fanbase. No, y'all just invade every other game's forums (and subreddit, facebook page, tumblr community, really just everywhere that can be invaded) and spread your toxicity as far and as wide as possible. I mean for fuck's sake, this was a thread discussing Dragon Age Inquisition and Mass Effect Andromeda, and one of you guys has to come here and create a new account specifically to talk about how both games are shit compared to The Witcher. (and for the record, the original BSN was shut down because Bioware - in all their infinite wisdom - decided that twitter was going to be how they communicated in the future, in case you were actually caring about, you know, factual accuracy) |
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 8, 2017 4:05:00 GMT
This (and the combat system... why the fuck can't I kill a human with a silver sword? I get that it has special properties against demons and shit, but it's still fucking pointy right?) is why I have absolutely no interest in really ever playing The Witcher. It may be the greatest game in the history of the universe, but the fanbase is just utterly toxic and not worth getting involved with. They're not the ones who had their official forum shut down... for being a toxic fanbase. The forum had calmed down quite a bit before its closure. It was much worse during the ME3 days. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 8, 2017 4:07:32 GMT
Because TW3 not only raised the bar in the genre, but beat Bioware at its own game.
It deserves to be mentioned, simply put because it is vastly superior than both games. Hell, after the release of TW3, DAI's reception got a lot more negative and for good reason.
Bioware is simply stuck with last gen formula with last gen design.
This (and the combat system... why the fuck can't I kill a human with a silver sword? I get that it has special properties against demons and shit, but it's still fucking pointy right?) is why I have absolutely no interest in really ever playing The Witcher. It may be the greatest game in the history of the universe, but the fanbase is just utterly toxic and not worth getting involved with. I forgot about that silver nonsense. Yeah, that's pretty dumb. If I got shot by a silver bullet, I should still die even if I'm not a gorram werewolf XD |
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Post by suikoden on Aug 8, 2017 5:19:31 GMT
This (and the combat system... why the fuck can't I kill a human with a silver sword? I get that it has special properties against demons and shit, but it's still fucking pointy right?) is why I have absolutely no interest in really ever playing The Witcher. It may be the greatest game in the history of the universe, but the fanbase is just utterly toxic and not worth getting involved with. I forgot about that silver nonsense. Yeah, that's pretty dumb. If I got shot by a silver bullet, I should still die even if I'm not a gorram werewolf XD I haven't read the books, but I assume its tied to the lore - and not an explicit design decision... |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Aug 8, 2017 5:30:22 GMT
This (and the combat system... why the fuck can't I kill a human with a silver sword? I get that it has special properties against demons and shit, but it's still fucking pointy right?) is why I have absolutely no interest in really ever playing The Witcher. It may be the greatest game in the history of the universe, but the fanbase is just utterly toxic and not worth getting involved with. They're not the ones who had their official forum shut down... for being a toxic fanbase. That's not why they shut down the old BSN. They made it very clear why they shut it down, and that wasn't a reason. |
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Post by linksocarina on Aug 8, 2017 6:15:20 GMT
Simple answer is yes.
Complicated answer is yes, but with how combat and exploration was done in Andromeda, that needs to be adopted and the class structure needs some tweaking. Oh and bring back in depth skill trees.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 8, 2017 7:11:14 GMT
I enjoyed Andromeda more. For all the critics of MEA open world approach I found it fairly easy to navigate it while on DAI it was a chore especially when you wanted to collect most of the stuff.
Combat felt much better in Andromeda and enjoyed its fluidity if compared to the slow combat of DAI which became tedious to me.
On characters It depends I enjoyed the Andromeda squad better but those those that I liked on Inquisition like Solas and Varric I really loved.
In the end I prefer Andromeda slightly as the plot of Inqusition IMO was not anything better, its main antagonist was as lame as the Archon but I felt more attached to Ryder and his brother/sister than to the Inqusitor who was a blank page for me. The worst protagonist in a BW game for me.
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Post by suikoden on Aug 8, 2017 7:11:26 GMT
They're not the ones who had their official forum shut down... for being a toxic fanbase. That's not why they shut down the old BSN. They made it very clear why they shut it down, and that wasn't a reason. They're clearly not going to come out and say "You are awful fans, that's why we're closing the forums" Moving it to twitter was a convenient method to eliminate a problem. Now they can roam these forums and have their cake on twitter. That's my interpretation at least. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 8, 2017 7:18:12 GMT
That's not why they shut down the old BSN. They made it very clear why they shut it down, and that wasn't a reason. They're clearly not going to come out and say "You are awful fans, that's why we're closing the forums" Moving it to twitter was a convenient method to eliminate a problem. Now they can roam these forums and have their cake on twitter. That's my interpretation at least. It's very doubtful that they closed it on account of the fans on Ye Olde BSN. If that was the case, that forum would probably have been shut down a lot sooner than it was. |
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Post by smilesja on Aug 8, 2017 7:23:29 GMT
That's not why they shut down the old BSN. They made it very clear why they shut it down, and that wasn't a reason. They're clearly not going to come out and say "You are awful fans, that's why we're closing the forums" Moving it to twitter was a convenient method to eliminate a problem. Now they can roam these forums and have their cake on twitter. That's my interpretation at least. If that was true then BSN would've been shut down after ME3. |
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 8, 2017 7:23:43 GMT
I saw people talking about TW3. Seriously, you may not like the game. You may think "it's not for you". But you can't deny it's damn good and it's damn well written. One thing all games should learn with TW3 is how to make sidequests. In Bioware games, sidequests don't matter, you do them mostly for xp. You usually make some binary choice, but you never suffer any real consequence for that choice (except in loyalty missions), but in TW3, even small things you do have CONSEQUENCES, and that's what makes the game feel so immersive When I entered Novigrad the first time, I insulted a priest. Later, that priest sent assassins to try to kill me. I also set free a man who was tied on a rope and left for drowners. Later I found out he was actually a bandit and killed some people after I had set him free. On the first part of the game, I gave a girl a potion to cure her disease. Later, her lover found me and told me she survived, but was going mad. Not to mention the side quests where you can change all of the world's politics. I'm not trying to sound like a TW3 fanboy (though I am), but Bioware seriously could learn a thing or two with TW3, especially about narrative, characters and immersion. Edit: Oh, and about respect with the players, as well. Especially that. lol at woicther decisions mattering. NO! Iorveth and asaskia from W2.. Not at all. Foletests daughrter? no! how about Saving Letho? just the same thing that bioware has been doing with their character surviving. nothing more Now lets go to W3: Barrons wife? no. Keira dying by geralt? nothing changes. Instead a snowball fight changes which ending you get. On the underined part: have you played any bioware with your eyes on it? no offense but these things happen on bioware games all the time. |
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 8, 2017 7:29:23 GMT
It's annoying. Especially for those of is that find TW3 inferior to the games that were brought up as the focal point of the topic. But at the end of the day, TW3 is FAR better received than those games. You cannot deny this. The word received ..... are we serious? we are talking about gamers here: the worst bunch of media followers. They are so eager to dickride CdPr at every chance, sure their polish (pun intended) in games is second to none, but also the free DLC stunt helped them as well. Also remember that "gamers" love to hate games more than actually playing them. Inquisition is a great game, Tw3 beeing better (i disagree but it is just me) dose not degrade other games. The mentality of these vocal gamers giving andromeda a 0 , DaI a 0, me a 0 and TW3 a 10 just because it is not EA is retarted. Edit: Txgoldrush welcome. LOL i ve arguing with you since da2. |
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Post by bakgrind on Aug 8, 2017 7:40:20 GMT
That's not why they shut down the old BSN. They made it very clear why they shut it down, and that wasn't a reason. They're clearly not going to come out and say "You are awful fans, that's why we're closing the forums" Moving it to twitter was a convenient method to eliminate a problem. Now they can roam these forums and have their cake on twitter. That's my interpretation at least. When they had their own forum they could at least could bounce the negativity from one social media networking service off of the other. The normal response was that "Our fan's are just very passionate about our games and some times take it to extremes" But they can't do that any more and I'm sure that it is more damaging for them them by not having their own centralized game forum where they could of at least mitigate some damage. |
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Post by ioannisdenton on Aug 8, 2017 7:46:15 GMT
Maybe but its not that convinient since even TW3 paused time from...ugh...time to time in order to set up the right story mood or to make sure everything flowed. Both in the main game and the DLC. And even GTA5 fast forwarded time to get to a certain "mood" for a mission and yet it is still seen as one of the better open world game if not the best. Bioware just needs to catch up, nothing more. GtaV the best open game?excuse me how old are you? do you enjoy boring ass quests with the laziest design and one button activities like biciling or tennis? ALso the weed side quest. thats soooo cool!! thats so rad! look i am an adult! GtaV only catters to underaged people in my eyes who cannot drink alcohol or drive. There is nothing great about that game. The setting, that everyday 2012 setting, is boring. There is literally zero depth in these series. What you see is more from what you get. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Aug 8, 2017 8:03:51 GMT
And even GTA5 fast forwarded time to get to a certain "mood" for a mission and yet it is still seen as one of the better open world game if not the best. Bioware just needs to catch up, nothing more. GtaV the best open game?excuse me how old are you? do you enjoy boring ass quests with the laziest design and one button activities like biciling or tennis? ALso the weed side quest. thats soooo cool!! thats so rad! look i am an adult! GtaV only catters to underaged people in my eyes who cannot drink alcohol or drive. There is nothing great about that game. The setting, that everyday 2012 setting, is boring. There is literally zero depth in these series. What you see is more from what you get. GTA's about as deep as a frisbee, but it is good for a laugh. A lot of those little side activities were annoying as shit though. I'd much rather just spend all my in-game currency on stocking up on supplies to have a sustained mayhem session to see how long one of these 3 slobs can last while blasting through the city. I would like to see a game that functions similarly but doesn't have a joke narrative or ensemble. On a technical level I love the way the game functions. I would be ecstatic to see an actual honest to Science RPG that has a sprawling city like that where we can deal with the worst of the troublemakers of a sprawling city. |
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Post by bakgrind on Aug 8, 2017 8:13:38 GMT
Curious about this since I was thinking about that the other day. Obviously this only works if you're actually into Dragon Age. I personally liked more Inquisition (which is not saying that much tbh). Not overall, though. Inquisition's combat and skill system are just disgusting to me, but the story as a whole is better imo. I'm comparing the two because DAI technically wasn't super well received by everyone either, and it was the latest game before Andromeda released. I don't intend to compare apples with rocks. Notice also, that I never played any of Inqusition's DLCs, I may praise it even more if I ever play Trespasser which everyone seem to have in such high regard. What I liked more about Andromeda was the combat (can't go wrong since it's gun-fire type of combat anyways, not much to it, and Mass 2 already did good in that department) and the skill system although the 3 powers limitation was bullshit tbh, especially when they let you switch up to 4 profiles anyways. Experiment borrowed from Inquisition and it's dumb tiny skill bar that made no sense. Dragon Age is not even my favorite franchise, mine was always Mass Effect. I found the story arcs to be more in favor of Andromeda and worst for DAI since the main antagonist in that game was born from DA II DLC Legacy. Which doesn't seem that bad,but if you didn't play it in DA II the whole story connection to DA Inquisition of Corypheus, Hawke, The Grey Warden's and the Fade just made for some bad story telling. Also the Trespasser is the Real story ending to Inquisition and for me that's another reason why I have to say that Inquisitions story was the weaker of the two since the ending should be including within the whole entirety of the game. Of course we don't know what DLC will bring to Andromeda and how it ties in with the Quarian story arc. Do we find out who the benefactor is? Are they Cerberus or possibly Shadow Broker elements yet to be introduced into the game? And as far as game play goes I give the edge to Andromeda as well . And it's interest that myself Dragon Age Origin's is my favorite Bioware game that I have played,but as a series Mass Effect series really beats it hands down. And so does Andromeda. |
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Post by mugwump v1 on Aug 8, 2017 8:25:26 GMT
As someone who enjoyed Inquisition a great deal and found Andromeda to be entirely underwhelming, I would say that the former's exceptional cast of characters really elevates that game in my mind. Granted Andromeda wins out when it comes to gameplay and questing, but its infantile tone, sophomoric character interactions and technical issues really hold it back.
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Post by vonuber on Aug 8, 2017 9:13:53 GMT
Still struggling to see this infantile tone in ME:A.
I've got a two and half year old and an 8 month year old, and can't see the similarity.
I suspect it's because it's not as much as a power fantasy as shep was.
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Post by mugwump v1 on Aug 8, 2017 9:16:21 GMT
Still struggling to see this infantile tone in ME:A. I've got a two and half year old and an 8 month year old, and can't see the similarity. I suspect it's because it's not as much as a power fantasy as shep was. I teach a Year 1 class. In any case, it's just my opinion. Others are available. |
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Post by Kappa Neko on Aug 8, 2017 12:44:00 GMT
DAI is a MUCH better game. Both are TERRIBLE open world games, but DAI had great character writing and a very cool subplot reveal and Bioware's best (?) secret villain. And very fun crafting, good score, much better character design, CC and so on. The only good thing about MEA is the combat and environment textures. DAI's combat is the worst aspect of the game and the most boring slog of all Bioware games I've played. That said I still prefer ME3's combat. The sound design was so much better and I hate the weird auto-cover MEA introduced. DAI is a GOOD game but I wish Bioware ditched open world. They suck at it and the whole thing does their narrative no favors, nor replayability. I prefer DA2 over DAI, I think. I prefer any previous Bioware game over MEA, greatly so. MEA is a 6/10 at best judged by itself. (Would probably give it a 2/10 for a Mass Effect game based on the enjoyable combat). I'd give DAI an 8/10 or something compared to DAO, DA2 and the trilogy. Eh, neither game is terrible. They both certainly had their flaws. Though I find MEA's flaws to be deeper. I've gotten three playthroughs of DAI, at least. I didn't say they were terrible games. MEA is a mediocre game to me with good ideas horribly implemented. It was actually the quest design that infuriated me so much that I almost didn't finish it. Their open worlds suck if you compare them to Bethesda or even W3. They are static and dull. On Eos I thought they learned their lesson from DAI but nope. My fun with the game was brief. That said DAI and MEA both never got more than one completed PT from me because open worlds just eat up so much time and I'd rather do something else. Does not say anything about the quality of the game. That said, I wish for shorter more narrative focused games from Bioware again that I can replay easily. If I want to piss away hundreds of hours I play a proper sandbox game. I've spent weeks building Fallout 4 settlements. I don't see the need for open world in Bioware games. If they cut that out and focused on the passable and decently presented story missions in MEA I would probably have enjoyed it a lot more. |
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Post by FluffyCannibal on Aug 8, 2017 12:44:43 GMT
That's not why they shut down the old BSN. They made it very clear why they shut it down, and that wasn't a reason. They're clearly not going to come out and say "You are awful fans, that's why we're closing the forums" Moving it to twitter was a convenient method to eliminate a problem. Now they can roam these forums and have their cake on twitter. That's my interpretation at least. You're an awful "fan". The rest of us aren't like you. |
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