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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 1:05:06 GMT
Women in positions of power?! It's the end of the world! Really, the excuses the anti-SJW crowd makes... Maybe if people did more than just take cheap, exasperated jabs at each other and actually had a conversation there wouldn't be a SJW vs. anti-SJW debate at all... come to think about it, there would be a lot less bullshit floating around if people decided to stop picking sides and just talk to people, but hey, it's obviously more important to virtue signal.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 16, 2017 1:07:27 GMT
Women in positions of power?! It's the end of the world! Really, the excuses the anti-SJW crowd makes... Racist characters 200 years into the future: OK Women characters in positions of power 200 years into the future: OMG THAT'S SO UNREALISTIC, PURE SJW!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 1:09:08 GMT
Women in positions of power?! It's the end of the world! Really, the excuses the anti-SJW crowd makes... Racist characters 200 years into the future: OK Women characters in positions of power 200 years into the future: OMG THAT'S SO UNREALISTIC, PURE SJW! Maybe if people did more than just take cheap, exasperated jabs at each other and actually had a conversation there wouldn't be a SJW vs. anti-SJW debate at all... come to think about it, there would be a lot less bullshit floating around if people decided to stop picking sides and just talk to people, but hey, it's obviously more important to virtue signal.
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Post by warrior on Aug 16, 2017 1:46:54 GMT
"virtue signal" LOL who the everloving fuck is "virtue signaling" on BSN? we are all anonymous here. no one cares what anyone thinks of them. I don't care who thinks I am a good or bad person or whoever is judging me because my name is "warrior" and my avatar is FemShep pouring booze into her eye. we are only trying to advocate for our own humanity against people who think "too much" of us in a video game is "unrealistic." especially if we are "too strong." if you believe that, we have zero common ground to find. if you don't believe that, you should be arguing with the people who do instead.
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Post by warrior on Aug 16, 2017 1:55:03 GMT
Women in positions of power?! It's the end of the world! Really, the excuses the anti-SJW crowd makes... Racist characters 200 years into the future: OK Women characters in positions of power 200 years into the future: OMG THAT'S SO UNREALISTIC, PURE SJW! yah I love how it's 2017 and we're still having these conversations...about sci-fi heroines hundreds if not thousands of years into the future. Like, it feels as if women get one decent badass a generation. I'm still waiting for another Ripley tbh. Furiosa was all right. Alien will always be my favorite of all, but I also love how in Aliens she isn't nearly as hot because
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 16, 2017 1:55:33 GMT
I'm not sure what's wrong with virtue signaling anyway. Other things being equal, it's better to have virtue than to not.
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Post by anarchy65 on Aug 16, 2017 2:04:36 GMT
"virtue signal" LOL who the everloving fuck is "virtue signaling" on BSN? Ignore him, he's just a troll. He's trying to get my attention has been sometimes now by insulting and quoting me in every post I make. BTW, Furiosa is my favorite so far =P let's see how Rey plays out.
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Post by q5tyhj on Aug 16, 2017 3:43:54 GMT
"virtue signal" LOL who the everloving fuck is "virtue signaling" on BSN? we are all anonymous here. no one ever said crybaby anti-"SJW" memes were supposed to make any sense
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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Aug 16, 2017 3:57:14 GMT
Unless you change neurobiology of only women to slant their interests in a way where they occupy military positions and display occupational aggression/assertiveness in the ratio you see in this game No neurobiology changes necessary -- only outdated military policy: Army Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester - awarded the Silver Star for her heroic combat action in March 2005. Army Chief Warrant Officer 3 Lori Hill - awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for her heroic combat action in March 2006. She was also wounded in that engagement and her chopper was shot with an RPG, yet she managed to return to base, saving herself and her crew. "In addition, in modern combat operations, over 9,000 women have received Army Combat Action Badges for ‘actively engaging or being engaged by the enemy,'" the Congressional Research Service said. All that while the formal policy of the US armed forces is that women are barred from direct combat roles. Meanwhile, in Israel, this headline from 2015: IDF: Rise in Women Recruits Expressing Interest in Combat RolesNo, I think you're seeing something that isn't actually there. As I said earlier, I don't see any masculine features on any of the female characters. When you say "masculine features," this is what I think of: Tell that to most of my co-workers, friends and relatives.
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 16, 2017 4:06:02 GMT
Women in positions of power?! It's the end of the world! Really, the excuses the anti-SJW crowd makes... Maybe if people did more than just take cheap, exasperated jabs at each other and actually had a conversation there wouldn't be a SJW vs. anti-SJW debate at all... come to think about it, there would be a lot less bullshit floating around if people decided to stop picking sides and just talk to people, but hey, it's obviously more important to virtue signal. I was naïve like you once. Unfortunately I learned the hard way that anyone who screams that something is ruined forever just because it appeals to more than just straight white men is not someone who can be reasoned with.
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Post by Guts on Aug 16, 2017 4:11:38 GMT
Unless you change neurobiology of only women to slant their interests in a way where they occupy military positions and display occupational aggression/assertiveness in the ratio you see in this game No neurobiology changes necessary -- only outdated military policy: Army Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester - awarded the Silver Star for her heroic combat action in March 2005. Army Chief Warrant Officer 3 Lori Hill - awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for her heroic combat action in March 2006. She was also wounded in that engagement and her chopper was shot with an RPG, yet she managed to return to base, saving herself and her crew. "In addition, in modern combat operations, over 9,000 women have received Army Combat Action Badges for ‘actively engaging or being engaged by the enemy,'" the Congressional Research Service said. All that while the formal policy of the US armed forces is that women are barred from direct combat roles. Meanwhile, in Israel, this headline from 2015: IDF: Rise in Women Recruits Expressing Interest in Combat RolesNo, I think you're seeing something that isn't actually there. As I said earlier, I don't see any masculine features on any of the female characters. When you say "masculine features," this is what I think of: Tell that to most of my co-workers, friends and relatives. I personally shake my head at people who say Peebee still looks like Shrek, I mean, yeah it was a meme based on some pre-release shots, but she looks like Sigourney Weaver now (I found this noticeable with the unmasked Peebee mod), which is awesome.
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Post by alanc9 on Aug 16, 2017 6:31:13 GMT
I still don't know how those shots got cleared for release.
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Post by Guts on Aug 16, 2017 7:08:25 GMT
I still don't know how those shots got cleared for release. What shots?
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Post by helios969 on Aug 16, 2017 8:40:45 GMT
Delusional. The only thing I hate worse than SJW'ers are anti-SJW'ers.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 16, 2017 12:18:57 GMT
I still don't know how those shots got cleared for release. One of the mistakes was revealing too much too soon. Pre release art and footage is better to be released closer to release. Not years.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Aug 16, 2017 13:24:17 GMT
The inclusion of "SJW" elements did not by itself make the story bad. It was just the fact that the writing was mishandled in general that means that the SJW-stuff got real hamfisted too.
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"virtue signal" LOL who the everloving fuck is "virtue signaling" on BSN? we are all anonymous here. no one cares what anyone thinks of them. I don't care who thinks I am a good or bad person or whoever is judging me because my name is "warrior" and my avatar is FemShep pouring booze into her eye. we are only trying to advocate for our own humanity against people who think "too much" of us in a video game is "unrealistic." especially if we are "too strong." if you believe that, we have zero common ground to find. if you don't believe that, you should be arguing with the people who do instead. You seem to buy into the daft stereotype of a "anti-SJW" hook, line, and sinker. I think you would be surprised how common the ground on which we stand is. I have no issues with what you have expressed, the only thing I have issues with is when diversity is put before quality. In ME:A, there is significant breaches of cannon made for the sake of agenda pushing and diversity. I most definitely have a problem with that. BW Montreal made the explicit decision to break cannon and hamfist political sentiments into ME:A and that is not okay. I'm not sure what's wrong with virtue signaling anyway. Other things being equal, it's better to have virtue than to not. It's pointless and vapid. "virtue signal" LOL who the everloving fuck is "virtue signaling" on BSN? Ignore him, he's just a troll. He's trying to get my attention has been sometimes now by insulting and quoting me in every post I make. BTW, Furiosa is my favorite so far =P let's see how Rey plays out. You invoke Godwin's Law and get a few choice words from me so now I am a troll? Maybe if people did more than just take cheap, exasperated jabs at each other and actually had a conversation there wouldn't be a SJW vs. anti-SJW debate at all... come to think about it, there would be a lot less bullshit floating around if people decided to stop picking sides and just talk to people, but hey, it's obviously more important to virtue signal. I was naïve like you once. Unfortunately I learned the hard way that anyone who screams that something is ruined forever just because it appeals to more than just straight white men is not someone who can be reasoned with. The whole "straight white men are evil" bullshit is very tiresome. People who are labeled with "anti-SJW" aren't against diversity, but hamfisted political messages and quality suffering because of diversity.
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"virtue signal" LOL who the everloving fuck is "virtue signaling" on BSN? we are all anonymous here. no one cares what anyone thinks of them. I don't care who thinks I am a good or bad person or whoever is judging me because my name is "warrior" and my avatar is FemShep pouring booze into her eye. we are only trying to advocate for our own humanity against people who think "too much" of us in a video game is "unrealistic." especially if we are "too strong." if you believe that, we have zero common ground to find. if you don't believe that, you should be arguing with the people who do instead. You seem to buy into the daft stereotype of a "anti-SJW" hook, line, and sinker. I think you would be surprised how common the ground on which we stand is. I have no issues with what you have expressed, the only thing I have issues with is when diversity is put before quality. In ME:A, there is significant breaches of cannon made for the sake of agenda pushing and diversity. I most definitely have a problem with that. BW Montreal made the explicit decision to break cannon and hamfist political sentiments into ME:A and that is not okay. Examples? And no, complaining about one line of dialogue on a subject where the OT was all over the place anyway does not count as a "significant breach of canon". In my experience, people usually use the phrase "virtue signalling" when they can't come up with a decent counter-argument, so they simply try and shut the debate down by attacking a person's character instead. Someone mentions the possibility of a video game that doesn't cater exclusively to straight white males, and your response is accusing them of pushing a narrative of "straight white men are evil"? Give me one example of that.
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You seem to buy into the daft stereotype of a "anti-SJW" hook, line, and sinker. I think you would be surprised how common the ground on which we stand is. I have no issues with what you have expressed, the only thing I have issues with is when diversity is put before quality. In ME:A, there is significant breaches of cannon made for the sake of agenda pushing and diversity. I most definitely have a problem with that. BW Montreal made the explicit decision to break cannon and hamfist political sentiments into ME:A and that is not okay. Examples? And no, complaining about one line of dialogue on a subject where the OT was all over the place anyway does not count as a "significant breach of canon". In my experience, people usually use the phrase "virtue signalling" when they can't come up with a decent counter-argument, so they simply try and shut the debate down by attacking a person's character instead. Someone mentions the possibility of a video game that doesn't cater exclusively to straight white males, and your response is accusing them of pushing a narrative of "straight white men are evil"? Give me one example of that. Breaks of Canon:Salarian females taking positions that they never would in the OT. I.e. Salarian pathfinder. Krogan females taking positions that they never would in the OT. I.e. Krogan women acting as mercs and other low lives. Asari suddenly using male pronouns (still relevant, regardless of what arbitrary boundaries you are trying to enforce.) On Virtue Signalling:The whole reason for it is to avoid an argument and beat opponents over their heads with your own perceived virtue. On the "Straight White Men" Trope:SJW's continuously rail on how evil straight white men are. Just check Twitter or Tumblr and see for yourself. Let's face facts here, blaming something on a specific group is bigoted and there is no exception. Not to mention that isn't only "straight white men" that are concerned with ideologues invading their hobbies. Quality Suffering Because of Forced Diversity:Hanely Abrams. Poorly written character there only to check diversity boxes. So poorly in fact that she was received very poorly by the community she was intended to represent. On "Irony":I quoted 2 or 3 of anarchy65's posts because 1.) this is an open forum and I can and will quote whomever I want, & 2.) he invoked Godwin's Law and I called him on his crap.
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Examples? And no, complaining about one line of dialogue on a subject where the OT was all over the place anyway does not count as a "significant breach of canon". In my experience, people usually use the phrase "virtue signalling" when they can't come up with a decent counter-argument, so they simply try and shut the debate down by attacking a person's character instead. Someone mentions the possibility of a video game that doesn't cater exclusively to straight white males, and your response is accusing them of pushing a narrative of "straight white men are evil"? Give me one example of that. Breaks of Canon:Salarian females taking positions that they never would in the OT. I.e. Salarian pathfinder. Krogan females taking positions that they never would in the OT. I.e. Krogan women acting as mercs and other low lives. Asari suddenly using male pronouns (still relevant, regardless of what arbitrary boundaries you are trying to enforce.) That's like complaining that Star Trek Voyager had a female captain when the Original Series didn't. And regardless, we see female salarians as important figures such as councillors and the like in the OT anyway. Females in combat roles in salarian society may be rare, but not unheard of. And krogan females are stated to have their own clan structure with just as power as males, and we hear stories of legendary female warlords. And as for the asari thing, the first game alone ties itself in a knot regarding the lore, but of course you'll only complain about it when it suits your agenda... I don't care what people on tumblr or twitter are saying. I care about what the people you're addressing on this forum are saying, and it wasn't anything like "how evil straight white men are". This is genuine ground for complaint. But as I've said before, there's a difference between complaining about the quality of a transgender character, and complaining about the very fact that there is a transgender character. To say that Abrams should have been either better written or not included is perfectly correct. To say that there shouldn't be transgender characters in video games is not. Do you see the distinction I'm making here? That is true. I will post an appropriate gif whenever I want.
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Breaks of Canon:Salarian females taking positions that they never would in the OT. I.e. Salarian pathfinder. Krogan females taking positions that they never would in the OT. I.e. Krogan women acting as mercs and other low lives. Asari suddenly using male pronouns (still relevant, regardless of what arbitrary boundaries you are trying to enforce.) That's like complaining that Star Trek Voyager had a female captain when the Original Series didn't. And regardless, we see female salarians as important figures such as councillors and the like in the OT anyway. Females in combat roles in salarian society may be rare, but not unheard of. And krogan females are stated to have their own clan structure with just as power as males, and we hear stories of legendary female warlords. And as for the asari thing, the first game alone ties itself in a knot regarding the lore, but of course you'll only complain about it when it suits your agenda... I don't care what people on tumblr or twitter are saying. I care about what the people you're addressing on this forum are saying, and it wasn't anything like "how evil straight white men are". This is genuine ground for complaint. But as I've said before, there's a difference between complaining about the quality of a transgender character, and complaining about the very fact that there is a transgender character. To say that Abrams should have been either better written or not included is perfectly correct. To say that there shouldn't be transgender characters in video games is not. Do you see the distinction I'm making here? That is true. I will post an appropriate gif whenever I want. That's like complaining that Star Trek Voyager had a female captain when the Original Series didn't. And regardless, we see female salarians as important figures such as councillors and the like in the OT anyway. Females in combat roles in salarian society may be rare, but not unheard of. And krogan females are stated to have their own clan structure with just as power as males, and we hear stories of legendary female warlords. And as for the asari thing, the first game alone ties itself in a knot regarding the lore, but of course you'll only complain about it when it suits your agenda...
I don't watch Star Trek but I would guess a female captain wouldn't be a breach of canon, unlike Krogan women ending up in positions not aligned with their society's values or salarians doing the same. A salarian women is Tann's secretary for christ's sake. That is so against the canon. If anything the secretary should be in Tann's position and the Tann should be the secretary according to ME canon. I don't care what people on tumblr or twitter are saying. I care about what the people you're addressing on this forum are saying, and it wasn't anything like "how evil straight white men are".
We have people here blaming the white man for having opinions on matters and then conflating said opinions in order to paint said people in a bad light. That is the same thing, just put in a different phrasing. This is genuine ground for complaint. But as I've said before, there's a difference between complaining about the quality of a transgender character, and complaining about the very fact that there is a transgender character. To say that Abrams should have been either better written or not included is perfectly correct. To say that there shouldn't be transgender characters in video games is not. Do you see the distinction I'm making here?I do indeed see the distinction that you are making. The problem is, I see nobody making the claim that Abrams shouldn't be there because of being transgender. That is true. I will post an appropriate gif whenever I want.Quality ShitspostsTM
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 16, 2017 15:08:34 GMT
"virtue signal" LOL who the everloving fuck is "virtue signaling" on BSN? we are all anonymous here. no one cares what anyone thinks of them. I don't care who thinks I am a good or bad person or whoever is judging me because my name is "warrior" and my avatar is FemShep pouring booze into her eye. we are only trying to advocate for our own humanity against people who think "too much" of us in a video game is "unrealistic." especially if we are "too strong." if you believe that, we have zero common ground to find. if you don't believe that, you should be arguing with the people who do instead. You seem to buy into the daft stereotype of a "anti-SJW" hook, line, and sinker. I think you would be surprised how common the ground on which we stand is. I have no issues with what you have expressed, the only thing I have issues with is when diversity is put before quality. In ME:A, there is significant breaches of cannon made for the sake of agenda pushing and diversity. I most definitely have a problem with that. BW Montreal made the explicit decision to break cannon and hamfist political sentiments into ME:A and that is not okay. I'm not sure what's wrong with virtue signaling anyway. Other things being equal, it's better to have virtue than to not. It's pointless and vapid. Ignore him, he's just a troll. He's trying to get my attention has been sometimes now by insulting and quoting me in every post I make. BTW, Furiosa is my favorite so far =P let's see how Rey plays out. You invoke Godwin's Law and get a few choice words from me so now I am a troll? I was naïve like you once. Unfortunately I learned the hard way that anyone who screams that something is ruined forever just because it appeals to more than just straight white men is not someone who can be reasoned with. The whole "straight white men are evil" bullshit is very tiresome. People who are labeled with "anti-SJW" aren't against diversity, but hamfisted political messages and quality suffering because of diversity. People who are labeled anti-SJW are people who scream about "SJWs", which is code for complaining about diversity, because they know that being honest about what their problems are would ruin any sympathy. By the way, no one claimed that straight white men are evil. Really, considering that the anti-SJW crowd started this whole debate because they have such a problem with a game trying to appeal to multiple demographics, it's rather absurd to try to paint them as victims.
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You seem to buy into the daft stereotype of a "anti-SJW" hook, line, and sinker. I think you would be surprised how common the ground on which we stand is. I have no issues with what you have expressed, the only thing I have issues with is when diversity is put before quality. In ME:A, there is significant breaches of cannon made for the sake of agenda pushing and diversity. I most definitely have a problem with that. BW Montreal made the explicit decision to break cannon and hamfist political sentiments into ME:A and that is not okay. It's pointless and vapid. You invoke Godwin's Law and get a few choice words from me so now I am a troll? The whole "straight white men are evil" bullshit is very tiresome. People who are labeled with "anti-SJW" aren't against diversity, but hamfisted political messages and quality suffering because of diversity. People who are labeled anti-SJW are people who scream about "SJWs", which is code for complaining about diversity, because they know that being honest about what their problems are would ruin any sympathy. By the way, no one claimed that straight white men are evil. Really, considering that the anti-SJW crowd started this whole debate because they have such a problem with a game trying to appeal to multiple demographics, it's rather absurd to try to paint them as victims. It is hard to believe that when sub-tones of what is said condemns this demographic from having opinions as well as purposefully twisting said opinions to make them out to be something they are not. I'm not painting anyone as a victim, but merely breaking down the massive disconnect that seems to always destroy conversation on matter like balancing content to appeal to the broadest audience possible.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age 2, Dragon Age Inquisition, KOTOR, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 16, 2017 15:17:40 GMT
People who are labeled anti-SJW are people who scream about "SJWs", which is code for complaining about diversity, because they know that being honest about what their problems are would ruin any sympathy. By the way, no one claimed that straight white men are evil. Really, considering that the anti-SJW crowd started this whole debate because they have such a problem with a game trying to appeal to multiple demographics, it's rather absurd to try to paint them as victims. It is hard to believe that when sub-tones of what is said condemns this demographic from having opinions as well as purposefully twisting said opinions to make them out to be something they are not. I'm not painting anyone as a victim, but merely breaking down the massive disconnect that seems to always destroy conversation on matter like balancing content to appeal to the broadest audience possible. No one said that straight white men aren't allowed to have opinions. Just that straight white men aren't the only demographic that matters. Your victim complex just keeps growing stronger.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2017 15:24:26 GMT
It is hard to believe that when sub-tones of what is said condemns this demographic from having opinions as well as purposefully twisting said opinions to make them out to be something they are not. I'm not painting anyone as a victim, but merely breaking down the massive disconnect that seems to always destroy conversation on matter like balancing content to appeal to the broadest audience possible. No one said that straight white men aren't allowed to have opinions. Just that straight white men aren't the only demographic that matters. Your victim complex just keeps growing stronger. I have seen such sentiments with my own eyes both from posters on this board as well as around the 'net. I was unaware that pointing out a phenomenon that is visible to the naked eye is a victim complex, but I guess a label is needed for us dissenters, no? If all your intent is is to make personal attacks, then why bother continuing this discourse?
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