Andromeda and SJW influence: Delusional Rage or Unfortunate Reality? (Discussion)

Well, since you think that anyone who doesn't put the opinions of straight white men on a pedestal means they don't think straight white men should have opinions at all, what you claim to have seen doesn't mean much.

I do not think that at all. You are making assumptions. What I have witnessed is the phenomenon of the opinions of straight white men being treated as less important as other demographics, and not equally, as they should be. Peoples' opinions are considered based on their ranking in the progressive stack. That is reality.

You mean a phenomenon like a certain hypersensitive group of people who think any appearance of diversity is some sort of slight against them?

That group is certainly a reality, but they are a vocal minority and I do not speak for them nor am I a part of them. The problem is that because of that vocal minority, others are being disregarded based on stereotype.

If all your intent is to make your demographic look like victims because it's not the only one being catered to, then why bother continuing this discourse?

Tu quoque fallacy. Not gonna argue with fallacious logic as there is no point.

Here's a tip for you: the anti-SJW crowd does not speak for all straight white men, so stop pretending that straight white men are being victimized because people aren't accepting the existence of your boogeyman.

I'm not pretending anything. I am arguing the reality of the current political situation that is very visible in day to day life. You are free to believe whatever you like, but like religion, belief doesn't change reality.

Well, since your response to it being pointed out that some people have a problem with media attempting to appeal to more than just straight white men was to start screaming about how the opinions of straight white men are being treated as less than everyone else's, you obviously do think that anything less than the opinions of straight white men being put on a pedestal is the same as saying they shouldn't have opinions at all.

Huh.. I must've missed were my CapsLock toggle on. Yet again, you force words into my mouth and attack a haphazardly constructed strawman instead of even beginning to consider my point. Basically all you are doing is saying "nuh-uh!" and subsequently plugging your ears, so to speak.

You described people "labeled as anti-SJWs," as if being called an anti-SJW is some sort of pejorative, when anti-SJWs are really just people who object to alleged "SJW" content, so you clearly do speak for them.

You are twisting my words to mean something entirely different here. I never stated that "anti-SJW" was a perjorative term nor did I every say that I was againt SJW-like content. What I said was that I was agianst low-quality or lore breaking SJW content. Also, you seem to be conflating me with the toxic #GamerGate crowd of anti-SJWs and I most certainly am not even tangentially related to that particular group.

So you're not going to argue with your own logic? What are you even doing here, then?

Why would someone argue against there own point unless playing devils advocate, which I am not.

You keep claiming that straight white men are victims specifically because of the responses people are giving to the claims that "SJWs" are ruining things. That doesn't make it reality.

I have given you example of how forced SJW inspired content is detrimental to quality that you acknowledged previously.

It's a question of where you stop IMO. Some people get worked upthat they acknowledge anyone with preferences other than their own even exist, but on the other hand if you go down the path of catering to every group equally, out of all proportion to how people really are, then you're in pandering territory. E.g. most people are straight, so it looks like pandering if most characters aren't (with some allowance for giving everyone some choice out of a small pool of characters).

And I thought I was at the end of the thread not the start just now when I replied to a post from several days ago.

Your argument is that because we don't see something in the OT, it can't possibly exist in the Mass Effect universe. I explained to you why it did not conflict with existing canon. And your argument about females always being in positions of power politically is bullshit, since we see both male and female salarian councillors in the OT. 
Proof? Or just baseless accusations?

I do. I commented on an example from youtube someone brought up in another thread yesterday.
Thank you.

Translation, you're running away because I'm not fooled by your sophistry or your attempts to backpedal.

My whole point is that these cultural roles are something that the OT never set in stone. You've taken a few isolated examples, and attempted to apply it to the entire Mass Effect continuity. In fact, the OT establishes that there are things like female krogan clan leaders around, even if we don't see them for ourselves in the games. 

I don't see anyone here "blaming the white man for having opinions on matters". I am challenging your opinions because I happen to disagree with some of them. If that makes you feel victimised, I'll gladly leave this thread to devolve into personal attacks and insults. But I'd rather debate the merit of the points being made, than the people making them.

You've put out a perfectly valid opinion. Just be ready for people to challenge it.

My whole point is that these cultural roles are something that the OT never set in stone. You've taken a few isolated examples, and attempted to apply it to the entire Mass Effect continuity. In fact, the OT establishes that there are things like female krogan clan leaders around, even if we don't see them for ourselves in the games.

The rules set within the OT are the only thing we have to go by, so I go by them. Regarding female krogan, I indeed recall the lore, but my gripe is we see krogan ladies mainly not as leaders or held in high regard, but as 2-bit mercs far more than any preset precedent (which come to think of it, may just be a complaint I have with how the lore has changed and not an SJW related complaint at all.)

I don't see anyone here "blaming the white man for having opinions on matters". I am challenging your opinions because I happen to disagree with some of them. If that makes you feel victimised, I'll gladly leave this thread to devolve into personal attacks and insults. But I'd rather debate the merit of the points being made, than the people making them.

I don't feel victimized at all. I know people have taken what I have said out of context purely because they do not like what I have to say. People may not be doing it here, but my past experiences make me very cautious of some of the claims people are making as those claims are generally used as a jumping off point in order to assert blame. You claimed my issue here is about women in positions of power, but I have repeatedly stated otherwise. Maybe you simply misunderstood me and that is fine and I don't fault you for it. I just wish to be as clear as possible. I would like to continue debating the merits and will gladly do so civilly.

You've put out a perfectly valid opinion. Just be ready for people to challenge it.

I indeed am. Especially since my view is obviously a seldom held one around these parts. If I wanted to avoid the topic, I would've done exactly that.

True. It isn't even a bad explanation, but I have a hard time suspending my disbelief in regards to people throwing away their previous culture entirely. Old habits die hard as they say.

It seems like a flimsy excuse to override established lore, tbh. That being said it doesn't bother me enough to detract from the game.

Except, where the lore isn't clear, there should be scope for future games to create new lore. This happens across many franchises in many mediums. If we had to stick rigidly to the rules established in the original trilogy instead of expanding the universe, it would grow stale rather quickly.

True. I'm just not the biggest fan of where BW is taking the lore. The different species are becoming to homogenized & human-like in their portrayal, imo.

I didn't mean to imply your problem was with women in powerful positions. I simply used it as an example to illustrate your point about supposed changes to the lore. Apologies if that wasn't clear.

Don't worry about it. All is good as long as you know where I'm coming from.

Now that would be no fun at all.

Arguing an unpopular opinion can grow very tiresome after a while, but I get the sentiment.

.It's debatable for . TOS. "Turnabout Intruder" implies that they weren't in that era, but Janice Lester was a delusional nutjob.




Unless that secretary was a dalatrass, I don't see the issue.

You totally misread my post. Hold back your triggered flag and read it again. I said pandering to everyone, silly goose.