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Post by sageoflife on Aug 17, 2017 3:56:18 GMT
But it wasn't pandering when they were only giving options for straight players, like in Mass Effect 2 when they included six options, three each for each gender if you were straight, one fling if you were a lesbian, and no options at all for gay male players? That wasn't pandering to the straight fanbase? You totally misread my post. Hold back your triggered flag and read it again. I said pandering to everyone, silly goose. Right, they're only supposed to pander to your demographic, not everyone else.
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Post by warrior on Aug 17, 2017 8:24:31 GMT
This thread is insufferable. The men trying to explain to women why they're the weaker sex is especially engaging, but like, how about you fuck off ok?
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Post by warrior on Aug 17, 2017 8:26:41 GMT
You totally misread my post. Hold back your triggered flag and read it again. I said pandering to everyone, silly goose. Right, they're only supposed to pander to your demographic, not everyone else. He's triggered by the triggered by the triggered Virtue signaling SJW yada yada "Triggered"
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Post by warrior on Aug 17, 2017 8:48:09 GMT
No neurobiology changes necessary -- only outdated military policy: Army Sgt. Leigh Ann Hester - awarded the Silver Star for her heroic combat action in March 2005. Army Chief Warrant Officer 3 Lori Hill - awarded the Distinguished Flying Cross for her heroic combat action in March 2006. She was also wounded in that engagement and her chopper was shot with an RPG, yet she managed to return to base, saving herself and her crew. "In addition, in modern combat operations, over 9,000 women have received Army Combat Action Badges for ‘actively engaging or being engaged by the enemy,'" the Congressional Research Service said. All that while the formal policy of the US armed forces is that women are barred from direct combat roles. Meanwhile, in Israel, this headline from 2015: IDF: Rise in Women Recruits Expressing Interest in Combat RolesNo, I think you're seeing something that isn't actually there. As I said earlier, I don't see any masculine features on any of the female characters. When you say "masculine features," this is what I think of: Tell that to most of my co-workers, friends and relatives. I could find you a list of female MMA fighters as well. Exceptions do not substitute for group trends. There's a reason why most violent crime and sexual assault is committed by men, and it's not because they were "taught" or social policy breeds violent men. Men are more violent, more disagreeable, distinctly more selfish and obsessed with status. Women can excel in positions such as pilots (and other tasks which don't involve physical combat or labor), but at any point where lifting weight and physical combat takes place, there's not remotely any doubt that men are the optimal choice. I'm not saying women can't thrive as leaders, but the ratio in interests on gender stereotypical tasks gets more skewed the more equal societies become. It is Saudi Arabia and Iran who have the higher proportion of female engineers (in fact, in Iran women make 55% of the physics students), not Scandinavia or the US or Canada, and especially not the UK. So when a game pretty much introduces the vast majority of leadership positions occupied by females, and retcons the krogan to follow that trend with Morda, the game feels forced. It feels like they were trying to tick boxes. holy neckbeard
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 17, 2017 8:52:36 GMT
I remember when that same debate cropped up with DAI, someone went that anal that they resorted to a skeleton comparison to make a point of Cassandra having a male model. Some people really seem to have a problem of this no longer being the 50ies. Most of the things they take issue with I don't even notice. You really either have to have a deep seated male persecution complex or much too much time on your hands to take stock of each and evey instance that can be turned into SJW. A poster not unknown to us...
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Post by isaidlunch on Aug 17, 2017 8:54:55 GMT
I can't wait to bang Maevaris in DA4. Hopefully she's an interesting character in her own right, instead of being a PSA special like Krem was
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Post by sageoflife on Aug 17, 2017 9:03:14 GMT
I remember when that same debate cropped up with DAI, someone went that anal that they resorted to a skeleton comparison to make a point of Cassandra having a male model. Some people really seem to have a problem of this no longer being the 50ies. Most of the things they take issue with I don't even notice. You really either have to have a deep seated male persecution complex or much too much time on your hands to take stock of each and evey instance that can be turned into SJW. A poster not unknown to us... Ugh. That one. Wasn't he also harassing the developers elsewhere?
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Aug 17, 2017 12:04:17 GMT
You totally misread my post. Hold back your triggered flag and read it again. I said pandering to everyone, silly goose. Right, they're only supposed to pander to your demographic, not everyone else. Okay, more shit-posting, try to use your brain instead of your ass when thinking.
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Post by SofaJockey on Aug 17, 2017 12:16:28 GMT
A poster not unknown to us... Ugh. That one. Wasn't he also harassing the developers elsewhere? I do not know for sure. luzarius is a member of this forum, hence his views are welcome here, having posted largely civilly in the past. In our past PM conversations, he recognised that people may disagree with some of his views, but he appreciated the opportunity to express them within reason. Personally, I probably disagree with most of luzarius ' views, but I rather like and would defend that this forum is broad-minded enough to cope with the discussion. There was a poster on BSN Prime called Brevnau (also known as 'not-Brevnau' after a selection of alts). Whether both individuals are one and the same may be something luzarius would wish to comment on, but that's up to him. The original discussions on BSN Prime rarely ended well Jimmies were occasionally rustled on Twitter:
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Unless that secretary was a dalatrass, I don't see the issue. Consider ME1. The codex sets the salarians up in a very specific way. It states that the species has far more males then females. The ratios of sex is skewed heavily in the favor of the males making females a protected class. It also states that salarian females are revered in salarian society and only work important positions, like ones of power and politics. Female salarian secretary is a far leap from how salarians are canonized from the beginning. Not to mention a female salarian allowed to be a pathfinder and purposefully put herself in direct harm.
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This thread is insufferable. The men trying to explain to women why they're the weaker sex is especially engaging, but like, how about you fuck off ok? Speaking in a purely physical frame, females are "weaker" then men due to differences in muscle fiber count and density. That it is indeed biological fact.
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Unless that secretary was a dalatrass, I don't see the issue. Consider ME1. The codex sets the salarians up in a very specific way. It states that the species has far more males then females. The ratios of sex is skewed heavily in the favor of the males making females a protected class. It also states that salarian females are revered in salarian society and only work important positions, like ones of power and politics. Female salarian secretary is a far leap from how salarians are canonized from the beginning. Not to mention a female salarian allowed to be a pathfinder and purposefully put herself in direct harm. Secretary to head of the Andromeda Initiative, yep not important.
Pathfinder, no they don't have power and never deal with politics.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2017 14:48:24 GMT
Consider ME1. The codex sets the salarians up in a very specific way. It states that the species has far more males then females. The ratios of sex is skewed heavily in the favor of the males making females a protected class. It also states that salarian females are revered in salarian society and only work important positions, like ones of power and politics. Female salarian secretary is a far leap from how salarians are canonized from the beginning. Not to mention a female salarian allowed to be a pathfinder and purposefully put herself in direct harm. Secretary to head of the Andromeda Initiative, yep not important.
Pathfinder, no they don't have power and never deal with politics.
I've got to agree with thefool here. It's a very important position.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 14:48:43 GMT
Consider ME1. The codex sets the salarians up in a very specific way. It states that the species has far more males then females. The ratios of sex is skewed heavily in the favor of the males making females a protected class. It also states that salarian females are revered in salarian society and only work important positions, like ones of power and politics. Female salarian secretary is a far leap from how salarians are canonized from the beginning. Not to mention a female salarian allowed to be a pathfinder and purposefully put herself in direct harm. Secretary to head of the Andromeda Initiative, yep not important.
Pathfinder, no they don't have power and never deal with politics.
Secretary to head of the Andromeda Initiative, yep not important.
No, not really. Pathfinder, no they don't have power and never deal with politics.
Salarian females are a protected class and suddenly are given access to combat roles in a new galaxy where they are even fewer in number. Logic?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 14:51:20 GMT
Secretary to head of the Andromeda Initiative, yep not important.
Pathfinder, no they don't have power and never deal with politics.
I've got to agree with thefool here. It's a very important position. A secretary has never been an important position anywhere I have worked. They have always been expendable. I went more into depth on the salarian pathfinder above.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2017 14:52:31 GMT
Secretary to head of the Andromeda Initiative, yep not important.
Pathfinder, no they don't have power and never deal with politics.
Secretary to head of the Andromeda Initiative, yep not important.
No, not really. Pathfinder, no they don't have power and never deal with politics.
Salarian females are a protected class and suddenly are given access to combat roles in a new galaxy where they are even fewer in number. Logic? As you yourself said they are revered and respected. A Salarian female being picked for the AI is a huge honor and people respect Salarian females.
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Secretary to head of the Andromeda Initiative, yep not important.
No, not really. Pathfinder, no they don't have power and never deal with politics.
Salarian females are a protected class and suddenly are given access to combat roles in a new galaxy where they are even fewer in number. Logic? As you yourself said they are revered and respected. A Salarian female being picked for the AI is a huge honor and people respect Salarian females. An honor? Yes, but an even greater liability.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2017 14:56:30 GMT
As you yourself said they are revered and respected. A Salarian female being picked for the AI is a huge honor and people respect Salarian females. An honor? Yes, but an even greater liability. Not for them. It makes sense to send some females on the trip.
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An honor? Yes, but an even greater liability. Not for them. It makes sense to send some females on the trip. In a species in which few females are born, it make zero sense in my eyes to go on an intergalactic journey only to put said females on the front lines as what is essentially part of a special forces detachment.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2017 15:04:16 GMT
Not for them. It makes sense to send some females on the trip. In a species in which few females are born, it make zero sense in my eyes to go on an intergalactic journey only to put said females on the front lines as what is essentially part of a special forces detachment. To populate Andromeda?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 15:05:26 GMT
In a species in which few females are born, it make zero sense in my eyes to go on an intergalactic journey only to put said females on the front lines as what is essentially part of a special forces detachment. To populate Andromeda? One cannot repopulate whilst KIA.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2017 15:06:24 GMT
One cannot repopulate whilst KIA. Where was it stated she was KIA?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 15:13:35 GMT
One cannot repopulate whilst KIA. Where was it stated she was KIA? Well, she does die depending on your choice in a certain story mission, but looking at only her is no my point and a rather myopic take on the crux of the issue. The issue here is that a society that has limited numbers of viable females is suddenly putting them in harms way or relegating them to task that are not normally delegated to them. There is a noticeable retcon of the canon here as well as a dumbing down/homogenization of this "new" canon & I can't shake the feeling that these changes are made based on adherence to modern political ideologies and not because they benefit the lore in any way.
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Post by griffith82 on Aug 17, 2017 15:15:25 GMT
Where was it stated she was KIA? Well, she does die depending on your choice in a certain story mission, but looking at only her is no my point and a rather myopic take on the crux of the issue. The issue here is that a society that has limited numbers of viable females is suddenly putting them in harms way or relegating them to task that are not normally delegated to them. There is a noticeable retcon of the canon here as well as a dumbing down/homogenization of this "new" canon & I can't shake the feeling that these changes are made based on adherence to modern political ideologies and not because they benefit the lore in any way. I'm sorry I just don't see it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 15:16:05 GMT
Well, she does die depending on your choice in a certain story mission, but looking at only her is no my point and a rather myopic take on the crux of the issue. The issue here is that a society that has limited numbers of viable females is suddenly putting them in harms way or relegating them to task that are not normally delegated to them. There is a noticeable retcon of the canon here as well as a dumbing down/homogenization of this "new" canon & I can't shake the feeling that these changes are made based on adherence to modern political ideologies and not because they benefit the lore in any way. I'm sorry I just don't see it. Fair enough.
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